CrowOregon, Colo. Ucla, Cal, Zona all overrated
Uteology"BYU is 2-5 (28%) on the road in the WCC"As usual, you're forced to cherry pick only the negatives, while
completely ignoring the positives for BYU.While the Utes were
playing the 350th WORST pre-season schedule, BYU was busy playing one the Top 5
TOUGHEST pre-season schedules in the country.BYU has road/neutral
wins over #48 Stanford, #23 Texas, #81 San Francisco, #65 Saint Mary's, and
#114 Utah St.Meanwhile, Utah's lone win away from the HC was at
#140 USC.That's FIVE BYU road/neutral wins over teams that are
BETTER than Utah's LONE road/neutral win of the season.#37 BYU,
#18 SOS, is 6-7 versus Top 100 teams.#97 Utah, #142 SOS, is 4-8 versus Top
100 teams.Stop pretending that only describing the trunk gives an
accurate picture of what an elephant looks like.
Uteology: "Why is it so difficult for you BYU fans to understand:A) Utah is rebuilding their programB) BYU is not"Because
it only took Dave Rose ONE season to rebuild BYU's program.In
fact, after BYU's disastrous 1997 season, it only took BYU FOUR seasons to
rebuild and win the 2001 MWC championship and return to the NCAA tournament.Compare that to Utah, which has only played in ONE NCAA tournament game
since Bogut and the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah, and U can see
why BYU fans have little sympathy for Utah's self-induced plight.
Sports are Great, I'm primarily speaking to Jarka and others who say the
PAC 12 is not a good conference and even going so far as to claim Arizona at
24-2 and winners over Duke, SDSU, and Michigan are not a top 10 team. Talk about
"crazy" talk, that has to be in the mix. It shows a total lack of
credibility and understanding of what constitutes a good basketball team and
league by those who continually attempt to undermine the PAC 12.Yes,
take out Arizona and the PAC 12 RPI drops, no question, but would any conference
drop from conference RPI standings further than the WCC if the top team were
removed? Arizona State is part of that mix of top teams in the PAC
12 as well. The PAC 12 is not phenomenal this year, but from top to the middle
tier, still pretty good.
@TrueBlueBy contrast, Utah lost to the #11 and #9 teams on the road,
lost to the #10 team at home, and has a 1-6 (14%) record on the road in the PAC
12 this season, 2-23 (8%) overall on the road since joining the conference.-------------BYU is 2-5 (28%) on the road in the WCC, a 2
tournament team conference. FYI you got pummeled by last place LMU and bottom
feeders like Pacific.Why is it so difficult for you BYU fans to
understand:A) Utah is rebuilding their programB) BYU is not
@ jarka-rusBYU would fail to compete in the PAC12 year in and year out.
byu just cannot recruit the type of athlete that they would need to contend.
This is something you and most byu fans can not comprehend. byu and
the 9th best conference is a great fit. It allows byu to compete because they
can recruit the average type of player that playes in the wcc. But to spot off
that the PAC is overrated when byu is 1-2 against the PAC and 0-2 in football
again its the athletes that byu just does not have. One last thing
Gonzaga is the most overrated program and your win last night will still not get
byu an automatic bid. There will be an upset in another conference (Big5
conference) conference tourney and the committe will keep the other teams from
the Big5 conference instead of a 2nd place at large team from the wcc. Got to
love your conference affiliation.
DraperUte,And if Arizona in the mix the Pac 12 would drop a little
bit. Why throw out crazy talk like "Take out Gonzaga" The Pac 12 hands
down is a better league. We agree. No need to start talking crazy and giving
numbers as if Gonzaga wasn't in the WCC unless you start giving us what the
Pac 12's numbers would be without Arizona. Or if we're just talking
nonsense, tell us what the Pac 12 would be without Arizona, Cal, UCLA, and
Colorado. Where would the Pac 12 be then? See how ridiculous that is?
Rockwell, I'm not spinning Utah's abysmal road record. It is terrible,
but expectations were very low for Utah. Wins over UCLA and BYU this year
already exceed what anyone could have expected from Utah with a young team
rebuilding. They may end the season at .500 in conference play, which is
considerable improvement over the last two years. Objectively, a
3-5 road record against the WCC for a team that was supposed to compete for the
WCC title is well below expectations. Utah at 1-7 on the road in the PAC 12 is
a little below expectation, but not much. The PAC 12 is a tougher
conference than the WCC. Jarka's opinion to the contrary, the RPI of the
PAC 12 is 3rd and the WCC is 9th. Take Gonzaga out of the mix and the WCC
wouldn't crack the top ten in conference RPI.
DraperUteFanBYU's 6-7(46%) record in road/neutral games this
season OBLITERATES Utah's 1-7(13%) record, regardless of how you spin
it.It is blatantly obvious which team is more capable of winning
away from away.btw, thanks for the "congrats" on BYU's
2nd win over a Top 25 team this season.
Nice win against the Zags last night BYU. It probably secured BYU a spot in the
tournament. Congrats.Rockwell, it really isn't
"blatantly" obvious which team is "capable" of winning away from
home. BYU often loses on the road. Look at their record and the teams they are
losing to away. You beat Gonzaga at home and now you are ready to roar like
Tarzan that you are a great road team? One of the obliterating
facts Uteanymous neglected in his spin is BYU is 3-5 on the road in the WCC. BYU
also lost to Iowa State, Wichita State, and Umass on the road. Not exactly
tearing up the road circuit there bro.
TrueBlueOuch!Stop using facts to obliterate
Uteology's spin.It's blatantly obvious which team is
actually capable of winning away from home, and which team is only a pretender
that likes to cherry pick stats to make themselves feel better.
UteologyNice spin, but unlike U, BYU isn't afraid to venture
onto the road to play non-conference games - BYU played at Oregon, at Stanford
and at Utah this season, finishing with a 1-2 record versus the PAC 12 (33%).
By contrast, Utah lost to the #11 and #9 teams on the road, lost to
the #10 team at home, and has a 1-6 (14%) record on the road in the PAC 12 this
season, 2-23 (8%) overall on the road since joining the conference.
sportsfanforlife#37 BYU(19-10) #18 SOS is 7-6 versus Top 100 teams,
with TWO wins over ranked teams, #19/#17 Texas and #25/#22 Gonzaga#97 Utah(17-9) #142 SOS is 4-8 versus Top 100 teams, with ONE win over a
ranked team, #23/#25 UCLAUtah does NOT have a national championship
in basketball - Utah won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history in
1944, but Army won the 1944 national championship. Utah only beat TWO legitimate
college teams during the 1944 regular season - Idaho St (twice) and Colorado
College.BYU has won TWO NIT championships - 1951 and 1966 - but like
Utah's 1944 NCAA and 1949 NIT, neither could be considered national
championships.It's laughable how a fan, who claims not to be a
Utah fan, is suddenly trolling every Utah article and knows so much and is such
an ardent defender of the Utes, using the exact same talking points Utah fans
have been using for years.
sportsfanforlifeI seem to recall that basketball
"championships" was the laughing stock of all championships.1944... Woefully determined to be short on credibility.BYU's
football winning streak alone and unanimous poll rankings kind of makes your
analogy... weak sauce.Epic FAIL
Arizona was playing without important player but still beat Utah on hill. You
may never get a better chance to beat a wounded cat.
troll,you have ONE football national championship which was an
embarrassment to the college football world. you played a team who finished
under .500 for the season? LOL thats embarrassing.utah has a
national championship in basketball and an nit tourney championship. how many
does byu have again? thought so.
uteanymous,you byu fans are the KINGS of speculation and its
absolutely hilarious. utah took then NUMBER ONE arizona down to the wire "on
the road" arizona was lucky to escape with a win, while on the other hand
byu gets gets absolutely worked on the road by HORRIBLE teams. you are lucky
you're in the wcc cause you would get absolutely embarrassed in the pac.
Gone FishinFirst every conference share's revenue, so in 2004,
2008 BYU got a sweet paycheck for Utah's hard work. (you gosh darn handout
takers.) Your SOS comment isn't always true, when BYU is doing well yes
they help the SOS, but when they aren't doing well just the opposite
happens.The PAC didn't invite BYU because they didn't meet
certain criteria like Utah did. BYU isn't a research university, yes they
don't play on Sunday, BYU and Utah share about the same viewership and
market so that was a wash. In the modern era of Football (BCS) Utah has been a
more dominate program, there is no disputing that fact. Two undefeated seasons
two BCS bowls, utter domination of BYU in the rivalry. There's no way
around that.BYU has a nice deal with ESPN that keeps them viable for
a few more years, and they don't make money off the bowl games. The games
they have been too pay out less than one million dollars, and BYU feeds,
travels, and takes care of 100 plus people for those games.
@UteanymousThe truth is, Utah is so pathetic on the road that they
won't even schedule Weber State and Utah State anymore because they know
that they're not good enough to compete in the Spectrum or the Dee Events
Center.------------That might be true but we are good
enough to compete at BYU and at #8 Kansas next year."Utah's
nonconference basketball schedule in 2014-15 got a lot more difficult with an
announcement on Wednesday. The Utes will take on Kansas at the Sprint Center in
Kansas City, Mo., on Dec. 13, 2014." -- Deseret News
jarka-rusLayton, Utah@Crowthe media paints way too much
makeup on the Pac just like the SEC in football. only two ranked teams from this
so called juggernaut #3 conference phew look out. and Ucla shouldn't be
ranked.------------The media? Is that why you have a
losing record vs PAC-12, because of the media?BYU football vs #7 and
#10 PAC-12 teams: 0-2 (0%)BYU basketball vs #6, #7, and #10 PAC-12 teams:
1-2 (33%)Be thankful you don't have to play UCLA.
To all you BYU haters that think they want to be in the PAC; NOT TRUE. BYU
would NEVER bow to big money and be required to lower their standards and be
forced to play sports on Sunday. The PAC knows it and did not make the offer
because of that. PAC Schools do however schedule BYU because they know that it
raises their SOS in all sports when they play them.BYU has a sweet
deal with ESPN and provides enough revenue to run their sports programs. Plus
gets revenue from bowl games. Utah has to rely on other pac schools to share
their bowl revenue with them. It's kind of like collegiate welfare.
Troll, you need to get out of your cubby more and get some fresh air into your
persecution complex. Most Ute fans on this board do not "hate" BYU. Go
back and read the majority of the negative posts...mostly from BYU fans. Jarka, we'll call our coach whatever we want...you are protesting
something that really isn't relevant to any of this conversation. Give it
a rest already.Arizona is a top 10 team. Anyone in the arena last
night saw a team who could lock down another team defensively when they wanted
to. They are long, athletic, rebound the ball, and force turnovers.Defense wins championships. BYU puts up a lot of points and can't stop
anyboyd. IF they get into the tournament, they will continue a longstanding and
glorious tradition of losing in the first round.
sportsfanforlifeWhat proof do you have that Utah could beat #127
Pepperdine, #162 LMU, #155 Portland, or #111 Pacific on their home courts when
the Utes lost to #178 Washington State on the road.The only PAC 12
team Utah has beaten on the road is #144 USC.The truth is, Utah is
so pathetic on the road that they won't even schedule Weber State and Utah
State anymore because they know that they're not good enough to compete in
the Spectrum or the Dee Events Center.
CB"Sunday play has NOTHING to do with it."Don't lie to yourself; Sunday play and religious bigotry of a couple of
PAC 10 schools had everything to do with BYU not being invited to the PAC 12.
sportsfanforlifeRemind us how National Championships Utah has in
football and basketball.Frankly, nobody cares what team you're
a fan of, but 99% of fans who post negative comments about BYU on Utah articles
are either Utah fans or BYU haters who are simply using Utah as their foil.
@Crowthe media paints way too much makeup on the Pac just like the SEC in
football. only two ranked teams from this so called juggernaut #3 conference
phew look out. and Ucla shouldn't be ranked.
Once again, Coach K does not coach for the Utes
@TanMan_101The've played exactly one ranked opponent and both ASU and
Cal are pathetic, the polls are a joke. Zona is not even close to a top ten
UteologyI must admit that my first reaction to your "?"
"Dog year" comment was to go on the offensive. But being an alleged
"disciple" of Coach Wooden** as well as Jesus Christ, I'll give you
your Pyrrhic victory. ** [Truly one of the greatest men I have ever
met. I met JRW while in high school and talked to him on the telephone several
times in my late 20's--he answered his own phone in the athletic
department! No, he did not recruit me--both he and Stan Watts thought I was too
small and my name was not Gail Goodrich, while Gene Bartow (then an Asst Coach
under Dr. Art Gallon at UCSB) and Jack Gardner of Utah (of all places)offered
me! So if ancient history or program tradition means anything you may want to
cut some slack.]The fact remains you avoided (Chris might say cherry
picked) the primary substance of my comment.Go Bruins!
Chris,I am sure that a lot of conferences would work with Notre Dame
I don't disagree there. Where I disagree is your blatant disregard for BYU
as an academic institution and athletic program. BYU and Utah offer pretty much
the same thing in both regards.
CincyRed is spot on with his Sunday play position. The PAC 10/12 was not going
let a school dictate what days they can and can not play on. There were several
other factors also. As far as why Utah got invited; TV revenue and another TV
market was a big factor.
Happy to see the Utes fight to the end. Some bad bounces late in regulation and
in overtime as well as some young player mistakes sealed this one. This team
will only get better with experience. Coach K is making sure of that. As I
said before the game, I'm still happy with this team in spite of this loss.
Time to bounce back and finish strong. Go Utes!
Old But Not StupidMoorpark, CAAfter I said: "Here's
one for you: Utah will NOT win a PAC-12 championship in football or basketball
in my life time. Mark it down!"BTW, my life expectancy is
>20 years.--------------Dog years?
So let me get this straight, I've read so many comments on here about the
following:1. Notre Dame2. Sunday PlayDid notre
dame play Utah last Sunday? How are all these comments not off
topic? Completely off topic, yet moderators are posting them.I was
hoping to read some good analysis of free throw shooting, for example:1. Keep your elbow in2. Take a deep breath3. Bend your knees4. Focus on the front or back of the rim. All of these topics are
ON TOPIC about the game last night. Yet somehow these message boards
turn in to Sunday play and Notre Dame? Maybe i don't know what
off topic means.
CincyRed13you have to be one of the most level headed byu fans, so,
for that you deserve a level headed response. No, i was not implying
that utah had a better basketball team in the last decade. I completely agree
with you about whose had the better team over the last decade, but even then in
SOME of those years utah had an equal to or better ball team than byu. But
overall it's without question byu had the better team. now if only you
could get some of your counterparts to admit the same about the U football team
instead of always making the SAME excuse that somehow byu was better than utah
even tho utah beat them head to head.thanks for your level headed
cincy,Its very relevant. Do you disagree that any big time
conference would work with Notre Dame if they had a sunday issue or will you
stick to the "We have no idea what the answer is" since you don't
like what it says about byu?Trust me, if byu added enough value,
we'd work around the sunday issue.
After I said: "Here's one for you: Utah will NOT win a PAC-12
championship in football or basketball in my life time. Mark it down!"TanMan_101 responded:"@ Apparently Very OldUnless you plan on dying in the next six month's that is a pretty bad
prediction."So which PAC-12 football or basketball championship
(where Utah could win) will be decided in the next six months?BTW,
my life expectancy is >20 years.P.S. Winning the PAC-12
tournament is not the Championship; it is the automatic berth played out on a
NEUTRAL court. So I'll live with my prediction. My head is where it needs
to be.Go Bruins! 80-66
Sports Fan For Life,Are you saying Utah had a better basketball team
when they were invited to the Pac? The U owns BYU in football plain and simple.
But the Pac was not looking at basketball when the U was accepted because the
last decade will show you who had the superior team (BYU).
@ The Anti ChrisI know you have your blue goggles on and do not know a
good basketball team when you see one. But Utah is a very good program and just
because they gave Arizona all they coould handle in overtime they are an average
team?I guess #10 St Louis is an average team since they barley held
of George Mason in overtime and Syracuse is an average program because they lost
to a 2-9 in conference team. The Pac is the #3 conference in the
NCAA for a reason they have a lot of talent and did well in preseason play after
all Arizona did beat Michigan, and Duke. But I guess that is being average.
Chris,Playing what if doesn't help your case. The fact of the
matter is that Notre Dame doesn't have a no Sunday play policy so that
argument isn't relevant. Every BCS conference knows where BYU stands and
that is a factor in their not being invited to a conference whether you like it
or not. There are several BCS teams that offer a lot less to a conference than
BYU did. It's okay to recognize that.
Christine,You really wanna know what's funny? Is you BYU
"fans" claiming Utah (the better team by a mile) can't beat
Pepperdine (lol), Loyola mmt (hahaha), Portland (LOL) and pacific *crying
laughing* then one of your "smart" fans claimed sorry saint Mary's
could compete with anyone in the PAC. I died laughing
Lonestar, this Ute fan never expected Utah to get to the Dance this year. It is
rare for a team to jump from 6 conference wins in a year to the NCAA tournament.
Utah is not good enough to get there this year. They have the talent but lack
the experience to finish close games.RPI in February does not punch
BYU's ticket to the dance. Their history against the Zags and the
possibility of losing more conference road games could leave them outside
looking in.The big difference is most Utah fans did not expect Utah
to go to the Dance this year. BYU was expected to go from the outset of the
season.Frankly, I hope BYU goes because I predict another early exit
for the Cougs, adding to their illustrious record of first-round departures from
Christine, BTW I'm NOT a Utah fan lol ppl outside of the bubble realize who
has the better football and basketball team and its not BYU...
@ SnackDidn't work for them against Utah.
@Jarka Yes, they are the number 4 team. When they NCAA comes to you
and asks you to compile the rankings, then you can decide what they should be.
Sports authority, No, what's really funny is you whiny BYU
"fans" claiming anyone who speaks against your sorry school is a
"Utah fan". HA! no actually im not, but thanks for playing. And the
funny thing is I'm still right. The only reason y'all have more points
is because of your track,baseball, and volleyball teams. It has NOTHING to do
with the main sports(football and basketball) since Utah beat you like a drum in
basketball and y'all have had virtually NO CHANCE on the field as evidenced
the last 4 years. So why is it that y'all have not been invited to ANY
conference let alone an elite conference like Utah has? Is it because Utah is
superior to you. Hmmm
@ Apparently Very Old Unless you plan on dying in the next six
month's that is a pretty bad prediction.
"utahs superior position to them in all sports"OK, I take
back the earlier claim about Chris B. THIS comment takes over as the funniest
Ute comment in at least the past day.
Spokane Ute, what's "weak sauce" is to infer (as you clearly did in
your original comment) that the haters are one sided and not equally mutual.
"Snack PAC, "almost" and "nearly" fall squarely into the
"moral victory" campaign"True, but #42
BYU(18-10)#31 SOS, 6-6 versus Top 100 falls solidly into the at-large bid
contender category, while #99 Utah(17-9) #140 SOS, 4-8 versus Top
100 falls solidly into the on the outside looking in category
CincyRed,I can assure you if Notre Dame wanted into the Pac 12
we'd welcome them with open arms, even if they had a no Sunday policy. I
know they don't, but if they did, it would NOT prevent us from inviting
them.We'd even become the Pac 13 and have an odd numbered
league if Notre DAme would join(again, even with a no sunday policy)So no, Sunday play is NOT the reason no big conference wants byu.
CB"Every conference that has a championship game will provide a
winner in that game that by definition won one more game against a great
opponent"Not necessarily.A conference championship
could easily produce an upset winner from the weaker division, thus eliminating
a team with a much better record from the stronger division.Bottom
line:The conference bottom dwelling Utes will never be in contention
for the playoffs regardless of the strength of their conference.
Chris B,Sunday play is a main issue. Those who disagree are in
denial. If you look at both institutions both are highly regarded as great
academic institutions. When you look at the state of the athletics they are very
similar. Thinking that the Utes are way above the Cougs in the respect is
ludicrous. With that said, being a part of a prestigious conference only matters
if you are competitive. Yes, you get a lot more money even if you aren't
competing. But really, being a part of the BCS conferences serves you no purpose
unless you can capitalize (i.e. winning the tourney to get into the Rose Bowl,
etc.) I think both schools are happy with where they are at and we as fans
should leave it at that and cheer for both schools when they do well.
deepblue,No, its the exact opposite.Every conference
that has a championship game will provide a winner in that game that by
definition won one more game against a great opponent(best team of other
division in that conference) as opposed to playing just an average team of that
conference which will be the case for conferences that don't have a title
game.How exactly would not having a conference title game help in
getting a team in the playoffs?You do realize if that were the case,
the Pac 12, Big 10, SEC, and ACC could simply stop having a title game right?And yet they've chosen to continue to have them. Why? It helps to
get a team into the playoffs.LOL!
Correction, the Big 12 "wanted" 12 teams, but that's obviously no
longer the case since they have a better chance of getting a team into the
playoffs without holding a conference championship.
Snack PAC, "almost" and "nearly" fall squarely into the
"moral victory" campaign your cohorts keep chanting. So which is it
Cougar fans, "moral victories" or losses against Iowa State, Oregon,
LMU, San Diego, Pepperdine, Portland, and Pacific? You listed one
victory against 7 losses where you couldn't outscore your opponent, not
even mentioning the 81-64 "bottom line."Arizona forces
turnovers, contests every shot, and are a very good rebounding team, which is
why they are 24-2. BYU has some very highly rated offensive statistics and where
did it get them? Moral victories.
Snack PAC,Bottom line:Utah is 1-0 vs byu.
talkinsports,Sunday play has NOTHING to do with it.Why
do I say that?Just imagine what we(the Pac 12) or the Big 12, or the
SEC, or the ACC, or the Big 10 would say if Notre DAme wanted to fully join a
conference but had the same no sunday play rule.EVERY conference
would work around that issue.So no, sunday play is not the issue.We'd deal with it if it were Notre Dame.
@Y>UYou are all over the place. First it was Utah didn't
belong in the MWC, now MWC under Dave Rose era?When did I claim
Utah's basketball history had anything to do with the PAC-12 invite? I
said we blended well, BYU did not.Utah's recent basketball
history shows that Utah is well on its way to resurrecting their program.
Pac,You're right, the Pac 12 wanted 12 teams for a conference
title game.And guess what?So does the big 12.And yet they remain at 10 without a conference championship.Why?There aren't any teams that would add enough value to
justify inviting them(see no invite for byu)
Cincy Red,Yep, it does go both ways. It's probably the same
few, using multiple screen names.Thatsagood oneMy point
is that it's pretty weak sauce and low rent to be-little a team when they
lose, yet never acknowledge a team when they win. I hope that clears things
up.Even with the loss, the future is bright. Not a single senior on
the team.Have a good day and Go Utes!
"BYU on the other hand tries to outscore teams."It worked
against #19/#17 Texas, 2nd place team in the Big 12 and almost worked against
#17/#19 Iowa St, 3rd place team in the Big 12. It also worked against Stanford
on the road and nearly worked against Oregon, also on the road.Bottom line:BYU is 6-6 versus RPI Top 100 teams, including several
road/neutral winsUtah is 4-8 versus RPI Top 100 teams, with ZERO
road/neutral wins versus Top 100 teams
Last evening was the first time I have watched Utah this year. They clearly
could have won the game and seem to be a fairly good team. I was impressed with
the big men on both teams. I watched the player who was allegedly recruited by
BYU but landed with Utah. He certainly was not impressive and seemed to be the
weak link on the floor. Perhaps the tattoos were the biggest part of his game.
The Wildcats did not appear to be a #4 team or if they are, Utah should be
I left a comment that was denied as disruptive or off-topic. It referred to the
Utes as the Chokin' Utes instead of the Runnin' Utes. I can't
believe such a comment was denied. In looking at other comments I found at least
3 of the first 4 to be more disruptive or off-topic. Who is making these
decisions for the DNews? It's completely baffling.
sportsfanforlifeWhat "superior position" in all sports?Current 2013-14 Directors' Cup Standings#11 BYU - 265
points#79 Utah - 75 pointsAverage Directors' Cup Finishes
since 1993-94#29 BYU - 507 points#64 Utah - 260 pointsLast 10 Years#34 BYU - 521 points#68 Utah - 280 pointsBYU's AVERAGE #29 finish for the last 20+ years is BETTER than
Utah's BEST finish, #37 in 1997-98.What's really hilarious
is Utah fans spouting off without any knowledge of the facts.
@ Old But ...I stated I'm happy with the way Larry K. is going
about things the right way. Jim Boylen did not do things the right way and it
led to a further demise of the program. Is that such a difficult and debatable
point? Really??Do you see the words "moral victory" in my
post? Thought so. Let me be clear as I have been whenever you BYU "moral
victory" crusaders keep posting. There are no moral victories and Ute fans
on this board aren't claiming them. We like the direction of our
team...which has nothing to do with moral victories. BYU fans keep
saying Arizona is overrated, their record speaks for itself, including wins
against Duke, SDSU, Michigan, and some good PAC 12 teams. They play tremendous
defense, hit the boards hard, and are incredibly quick and athletic. BYU on the
other hand tries to outscore teams. How well did that work against the Big
P's of the WCC?
ekuteUtah's invitation to the PAC 12 was based on two
factors:1. A good-sized televised market close to the PAC 10
marketing footprint2. The PAC 12's need for 12 teams to stage a
football championship gameColorado and Utah were the only viable
options after the PAC 12/Big 12 South merger fell through and the religious
bigots of the PAC made it clear to Larry Scott that they wouldn't accept a
religiously-based school like Baylor or BYU to be invited to the conference.
If you couldnt tell before how jealous these byu "fans" were of utahs
superior position to them in all sports, now its hilariously obvious LOL
The Utes played tough and showed that they are much improved over years past,
but they're still only a shadow of the program Utah had before Majerus
left. The 1998 and 2005 Utes would have crushed the over-rated Arizona team that
Utah faced in the Huntsman last night.Unfortunately for Utah, their
milquetoast pre-season schedule killed any chance of the Utes getting an
at-large bid this season. From day one, Utah's only chance of playing in
the NCAA was winning the PAC 12 tourney.Maybe next year the Utes
will be brave enough to venture outside of the comfort of the HC to play some
decent teams to learn how to win a road game against quality competition.
CBLOL at your disengenuous spin about the reason BYU hasn't
been invited to the PAC 12 or Big 12.Everybody who knows ANYTHING
about college athletics and sports marketing knows that the quality and
marketability of BYU's athletic programs far exceeds Utah's.BYU has NEVER, repeat, NEVER finished behind Utah in the 20+ year history of
Directors' Cup, which measures overall athletic success across all
men's and women's sports. BYU's football history, 30+
years of perennial Top 25 finishes, a National Championship, and a Heisman
Trophy winner, dwarfs Utah's flash-in-the-pan football success of 2004 and
2008.Utah, on their own, would NEVER have been able to sign an
exclusive deal with ESPN, the World-Wide Leader in college sports marketing.The truth is BYU's lack of an invitation to the PAC 12/Big 12 comes
down to one factor ONLY, BYU's refusal to play on Sunday. The
"research" university criteria is nothing but a red herring. The PAC was
ready and willing to accept several schools from the Big 12 that have the exact
same "research" rating as BYU.
"We were invited to the Pac because they think we are a powerhouse" LOL
that takes the cake for the most ridiculous notion in all of sports ever! LOL
That's like the Buffs saying they were the King's of the Big 12.
Colorado was already in a BCS conference, the move was lateral for them.
Utah's rich basketball history and their recent football success, including
their domination of byu had everything to do with their invite to the PAC 12.
ChristyIt's hilarious how Utah fans slice and dice history when
it comes to football and basketball.Utah's looooong history of
mediocrity in football is somehow trumped by a couple of great seasons, but
Utah's ancient history of success in basketball trumps Utah's complete
collapse during the last decade.The truth is, Utah's mediocre
athletic program had absolutely nothing to do with Utah's invitation to the
PAC 12. As proof, look no further than your new bosom buddy Colorado, which
hasn't finished with a winning record since 2005, yet was invited before U.
@Sports Fan,0 Pac 12 invitations and 0 Big 12 invitationsProof that byu doesn't add enough value to any big boy conference to
justify an invitation. We're at the bottom of the Pac 12.
And you're below us.
Coach K does not coach the Utes, just sayin
The Utes are to be commended for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
here we go again with the spin on an L. An L is an L whether by 2 or 20. And
Zona is not the #4 team in the country. Barely a top ten team it that.
CB4-5, 3-6, 2-7 = 9-18 overall in football3-15, 5-13, 6-8 =
14-36 overall in basketballProof that the only reason U were invited
to the PAC 12 was to serve as a punching bag for the big boys of the conference
to pad their conference records.
If I had possessed prior knowledge that both Ashley (injury) and Gordon (3
points and benched with 8+ minutes left in regulation due to uneven officiating)
would be "neutralized," I would have bet serious money on a Ute victory.
How could the Utes not win! And at home!I bring up the referees
because the announcers noted Bachenski walked, not once but TWICE, on his last
layup. So the final score should have been 61-67, not 63-67.Let's hope this team has enough spine to avoid melting down at this
That was a good practice for Arizona for the rest of their season.
Tough loss Utes!!! But on the bright side I see where you are all ready lobbying
to host NIT games should you get an invite!!! Chris B, glad to hear there is so
much love and respect among the schools in the PAC12!!! Too bad you and other
BYU haters cannot show the same respect to other schools and conferences!!!
Coach K has my respect for the job he and his staff are doing in bringing Utah
basketball back the same way Coach Rose did for BYU!!! Both schools are very
lucky to have great men to lead and guide their programs!!! Good luck the rest
of the way Utah and good luck in the PAC12 tourney!!!Go Utes!!!
Onward and upward!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
U>Y,No one said our recent basketball history had anything to do
with our Pac 12 invite.We said our long history of basketball
greatness and our multiple quests for perfection in football are the main
reasons for our Pac 12 invite.
"Chris BSalt Lake City, UTAnd with this win Utah is
IN the dance projections."By "this win" I assume
you're referring to the Pac 12 tournament?You silly child.
Everytime Utah is about to win a big game you speak up. Seriously, Arizona St.
in football comes to mind. Please stop.
Maligned BYU fans. I have noted that you have to be accused of piling on and
deal with comments like "No Ute fan has called this loss a moral
victory." Then I find the [DraperUteFan] comment:"Love the
Utes, the PAC 12 affiliation, and the fun I'm having at every home football
and basketball game. My measure of success is based on the quality of kids on
the field/court and how hard they are working to succeed. These kids represent
themselves and the university well .... Coach K. said they are going to do
things the right way and they are."Granted the words "moral
victory" are not used, but I don't know how anyone cannot see that this
is a "lipstick on a pig" statement. It was a good effort, but as Chris
B insists, it was a bad loss since all losses are bad.The Utes (now
tied for 7th in league) may in future be able to hold this position or rise one
or two places. But given the recruiting advantages of the coastal or southern
most venues the U will have to produce without top-tier recruits. Good luck
FT,Players. They're very young. This is going to be a very good team
next year, the following year and for years to come. Go Utes!
Once again, Uteology is trying to rewrite history.Actual MWC
records:BYU - 276-116(70.4%) overall, 126-54(70%) MWC, 3-8 NCAA, 6
MWC titles, 13-14 head-to-headUtah - 230-150(60.5%) overall, 104-76(57.8%)
MWC, 4-6 NCAA, 5 MWC titles, 14-13 head-to-headDuring the Dave Rose
era, of course, Utah completely tanked, thus proving that Utah's recent
basketball history had absolutely NOTHING to do with Utah's invitation to
the PAC 12.The Utes were destroyed in their only NCAA game played
during the Dave Rose era.
Big Ute fan for over 40 years and it pains me to say that the little things that
are all around them to win games can't be grabbed on to by this bunch. Is
it coaching, players? In any case, they are who they are. A middle of the road
team in the Pac 12 that can't win close games.
@ UteologyI may be mistaken but Utah was still in the WAC when they were
in the final four.Along with one of those conference titles. It was 6 in
the mwc (I think)
I'm a total BYU fan, but I'm impressed with how Utah has risen from
the ashes of the last decade to play much better this season than I ever
expected they would. Coach K is a good coach.That being said:
Arizona is not the juggernaut everyone claims they are. There are many chinks in
their armor, and I expect they will leave the March tourney early. But they are
a good team and beating them anywhere and or taking them down to the wire is
significant.I'm anxious for Chris B and his other personalities
to declare that there is such thing as a good loss. The criterion
requires that it be to a P12 team.
SpokaneUte: "Ever notice how when Utah wins, all the usual Haters stay away.
When they lose, they are quick to pile on."Change the word
"Utah" to "BYU" and your statement is still perfectly accurate.
What's your point???
Wow! Arizona is crashing hard. What happened? They used to be a good team.
It's funny that not one Ute fan on here has said this was a moral victory,
yet every coug on here claims it to be...Thanks cougs for caring so
@Christine B. HedgefogArizona could have rolled over and played dead
like your team when they were down early in the game.Utah chocked no
question about it. Our three best players "gave" the game away.The fact that we were still in the game speaks volumes for the team that
Coach Krystkowiak is building.
Spokane Ute,I hope you realize most Utah fans do the same thing.
It's just poor sportsmanship from both schools. It's time to move on
from these sort of things.
worfMcallen, TXUtes don't blend well with the PAC 12, and
didn't with the MWC either.The Big Sky would be more
compatible.----------Utes blended well enough in the
PAC-12 to get an invite. The only team that didn't blend well
was BYU, who decided to jump down in competition without being invited to ANY
league.FYI, in the MWC:Regular Season Titles: Utah has 7
(BYU 6)NCAA Tournament: 10-8, Sweet 16, and Final 4 (BYU 3-6 and Sweet
@UteologySpot on Brother. All things considered, I'm pretty
cool with this team. An NIT bid would be fine, considering where the program was
2 years ago. This game, the WSU (at) and Oregon game really have moved his team
from an NCAA bubble team to probably an NIT team.Ever notice how
when Utah wins, all the usual Haters stay away. When they lose, they are quick
to pile on. What a classy move indeed! I guess one must merely consider the
Hawk, Gordon wasn't out. He fouled out of the game and was rendered
ineffective from good defensive pressure on him. Your analysis just lost some of
Two things. 1. If Brekkot Chapman and Kyle Kuzma are any where near as good as
we are being lead to believe they are, Loveridge is a role player at best for
the next two years. 2. If BOTH those guys can't beat Loveridge out we
don't need either one of them either. Go Gonzaga!
Not sure what more Arizona could have done to hand it to the Utes. They gift
wrapped it with a nice Christmas bow - only to see a nearly 90% free throw
shooter literally brick 4 in a row? Unbelievable. I don't know what's
more embarrassing out of such a prestigious conference, missing 4FT in a row, at
home, in the clutch, or Delon Wright launching a perfect spiral over wide open
Bachynski's head into the 4th row of the Huntsman Center. (With honorable
mention going to Jordan Loveridge for laying nearly a perfect egg.)Maybe the silver lining in the latest moral victory is Kyle Whittingham
solving his annual QB dilemma. Word is he was signing Wright up after the game
to walk on. That was a pretty pass into the endzone, even if it was 5 yards from
the nearest Ute receiver.
Utah played a great game and battled back.The Utes are a great team at
home hopefully they can figure it out on the road.
Missed the game, but I was impressed to see the utes took them to overtime.
Didn't realize A. Gordon was out -- the moral victory just lost some of
it's luster. But the utes are definitely showing improvement.
I am one BYU fan who is impressed with what the Utes have accomplished this
year. Not a big fan of the "moral victory" but I do recognize drastic
improvement and that is what the Utes have shown this year. Coach K has brought
back respectability to the team and the annual game going forward against BYU
will be as exciting as it gets. Good luck in the PAC-12 tourney, continued
progress will put a lot of pressure on any team the Utes face.
Always the bridemaid, never the bride.
Chris BLOL....In addition to my southern California top-tier PAC-12
membership, I love how often your predictions fail. Gee whiz, even a broken
clock is correct twice a day.Here's one for you: Utah will NOT
win a PAC-12 championship in football or basketball in my life time. Mark it
down!Be proud of the PAC-12 affiliation; sadly, that is the only
consolation you will have.Go Bruins! 80-66
Wright... huge turnover in OT.Taylor ... huge missed free throws in OT
(86% FT shooter goes 1-5 in OT).Loveridge .... MIA all game, missed
critical FT to take the lead in regulation.Great game regardless,
way to fight back in the 2nd half.Go UTES!
Great crowd and atmosphere tonight. Sloppy game but hard fought by both teams.
Pac 12 officiating is pretty bad, but free throw shooting and poor play by
Loveridge were the Utes undoing. Hope to see more of Onwas and
Fields. The offense looked much better with drives to the basket and more
movement. Love the Utes, the PAC 12 affiliation, and the fun
I'm having at every home football and basketball game. My measure of
success is based on the quality of kids on the field/court and how hard they are
working to succeed. These kids represent themselves and the university well and
are building a positive culture. Coach K. said they are going to do things the
right way and they are.Go Utes!
This all but guarantees the uties will be a lock for a number one seed in the
moral victory tournament. How huge was this moral victory?
I'm a die hard Cougar fan but have to say how good the Utes are doing.
They had a shot tonight and are having a great season. It is understandable why
Loveridge struggled, they key on him and he is still young. We will take him at
BYU if you Ute fans are that disgusted with him. I'm crossing my fingers
the Jazz will hire coach K for next year. I'd like to see the Utes
struggle to find someone as good.
All of a sudden the NIT has become very important, but if you can't win
half your conference games, it'll be March Saddness.
HAHAHA @ all these byu fans. You all live in a FANTASY land! Or utah county...
Have you already forgotten that this Ute team that just took
"overrated" Arizona to OT destroyed your cougs by 17 already this
year?Your jealousy of wishing you could trade places with the U is
so apparent in these threads. Have fun playing those JV squads in
their high school gyms!
Did anyone really expect anything different. We are talking the utes here.
"Utah drops in the pac standings"Yeah. All the way from 7
to... 7! Good job in the research department there.
"I need to head to Vegas with your predictions and a wad of cash."Don't bother; Vegas was spot on with the Utes a 4-point dog at
home.Christy was spot on with her declaration of another moral
SO Crissy,It seems like you are the one that needs top get the excuse box
out. Thanks for the early prediction again. You are the best predictor of what
will NOT be. I need to head to Vegas with your predictions and a wad of cash.
Loveridge - 7 points on 1 for 12 shooting; thanks for showing up big guy!
Wow, Taylor and Loverage at the line and D Wrights terrible turnover lost this
game. Unbelievable! So many unacceptable mistakes. Coach K needs
to recruit a big man that can actually play at both ends of the court. Although still optimistic about this young teams future, there is no
moral victory here tonight. Sorry fellow Utes, but this is one Ute fan that is
extremely disappointed in the performance in OT.
*****Thanks once again Chris B. Possibly next time you'll finally give it a
rest until the outcome? On second thought I realize you're Chris B. so we
all know that won't happen!
Thanks Arizona. Nick Johnson rules!
That was the biggest win in ute history?? Too bad...But on a serious note,
Utah played a good game. I can see them going 50% from here and maybe winning a
game or two in the pac tourney.
Nice game utes. Not sure what happened...........to Az. they looked pretty bad
tonight and Utah didn't look much better. Loveridge is becoming a huge
Chris if you think beating AZ would have been the biggest win in program
history, you must have only been following the utes for about 10 years. They
have had MUCH bigger wins.Wins where they actually win.
Way to go Cats. Utah drops in the pac standings
CLASSY comments from nick Johnson of Arizona. He talked about how we gave them
all they could handle and how lucky they were to win and how much better Utah is
the last couple years. Evn praises the fans here. That is what I
love about the PAC 12. 12 classy institutions that all respect each
other. I support all PAC 12 programs. And they respect us. Great to be part of such a classy conference.
Nice try utes but a win is a win. Arizona is waaaaaaaaay over rated will looked
like a very average team.
@Worf...Please continue posting comments that show how absolutely little you
know about anything. Especially Ute sports. One possession away from another
NCAA Championship. Don't believe. Ask Scott Padgett.
CB,What win was that you were talking about?Like I have been
sayign all year long the pac is way over rated. Arizona may have started the
season strong but are now just an average team. They will most likely drop in
the polls after barely beating a sub 100 team in utah.
Team's been so good at free throws all year, but lost solely on them
tonight. Bounce back on Saturday.
Same old, same old.Too many costly mistakes. Just can't get it
done. Many disappointed Ute fans tonight.
Yet another coulda, shoulda, woulda.Gotta love that prestige.
Not going to happen Ch....B
"...the prestigious run[down] utes are BACK..."to choking
away close games to secure another moral victory.LOL!
Taking top 5 powerhouse to Arizona is not a moral victory. But it
gives a ton if hope for this program Proud ute Proud PAC
So many mistakes down the stretch.FREE THROWS!!!!!!!
Cougotutenah,Back to reality?Yep! And that reality is
the prestigious running utes are BACK!Minute away from one of
biggest wins in program history!I love my PAC 12 membership!
Fitting that Love's first points would be the ones that take the lead late
in the game. Finish the Cats off!
Rebounding numbers look great so far, but start making free throws, Utes!
Looks like a welcome back to reality Utes. Utes not quite ready for the elite of
the PAC +2. But neither are the Ags as shown in last nights game against SDSU.
Does the WCC have an elite team? Oh yeah, about forgot about Gonzaga. We will
see if the Y is ready for them.
Where was this aggressiveness in the first half? Having Gordon out of the game
now should open things up for Utah offensively. Doing a much better job this
half in limiting Zona's transition buckets. Finish the comeback and win!
After this win, the team with the best chance to dance in Utah..The
prestigious PAC 12 runnin utes!
Utah doesn't blend well? With teams like pacific community,
Portland dental, and Lola Mary byu DOES blend well in your conference. Get the excuses ready for why Utah beat big time Arizona in a big time
PAC 12 confected game. And with this win Utah is IN the dance
Ufan(byu fan)Scoring more points against top 5 Arizona WILL get it
done!Storming the court in 10 minutes....
WorfApparently with Independence and the WCC, BYU doesn't fit
Worf,You going to disappear after Utah wins?Or say the
refs gave it to us?Or say it was from Arizona injuries?Which one? Or all 3?Utes about to beat Arizona. I
love my PAC 12 membership!
Lets be honest, we got a good call from the refs on disallowing that three by
Arizona at the buzzer. Looked too close to overturn to me but glad they did!Lets get this win and storm the court!Beating top 5 and
national powerhouse Arizona at our place as conference rivals would be amazing.
This PAC 12 thing just doesn't get old. Go utes! Hope to see
you all on the court here shortly!
Not looking good for the utes. Go Wildcats.
Once again Loveridge disappearing in a big game; 12 points TOTAL from
Utah's starters in the 1st half isn't going to get it done against a
Top 5 team.