The state of BYU basketball must be better than I thought when multiple hard
core Ute fans come on BYU articles and proclaim that BYU should beat a top 25
ranked team by double digits. Did I miss something?
BYU should beat Gonzaga by double digits today. It's tough to play at the
MC and Gonzaga is not as good this year (@Portland L 82-73, @SCU W 54-52)Good luck!
I'm happy to concede that Gonzaga is not as good as they have been in years
past but maintain that that doesn't mean they are "average."
I'll agree with the poll voters (who know a thing or two about college
basketball) that the zags are worthy of their top 25 ranking, which, I will
remind you would place them at #2 or #3 in the PAC12. That doesn't seem
"average" to me. And Spokane Ute, how is calling them "average and
vulnerable" constructive? That post certainly seems to make Gonzaga out to
be worse than they are, which would make a potential BYU win mean less.
Certainly looks like a trolling strategy to me. I'm looking
forward to the game. Isn't it the first game BYU has played against a
ranked opponent at home this season? Go Cougs!
I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see BYU's defense stiffling
the Bulldogs. By the way, Spokane Ute and Sports Are Great - you guys remind me
of the family that fights in front of other people in the restaurant. Akward.
I don't normally agree with a lot of Ute fans on here, but I do have to
agree with Spokane Ute that Gonzaga is not as good as they have been in the
past. This year they squeaked out some close WCC road wins and barely beat a bad
San Diego team at home. BYU's only home loss has been to Iowa St. and that
was by 2 points. Gonzaga does have some great shooters but when they play away
from home they have struggled. This is a game that BYU has a great chance of
winning and it will give them another quality win besides Texas and Stanford to
put on their resume. I will be cheering for the Cougs to pull out a victory.
@Spokane Ute. I thought your comments were great. I agree with you that this
Gonzaga teams seems below average FOR THEM. But they're still a handful for
WCC teams, which is more than we can say about BYU.Gonzaga would be
a power in the PAC12. The Huskies won't play them, I hear.I
have a lot of respect for Gonzaga.I do agree that BYU should beat
them tonight in Provo. But not in the tournament, alas.
I haven't followed Gonzaga for many years like Spokane Ute, but I have
thought that they weren't the same old powerful Zags this year that they
have been in years past. Not only have they not beaten any top teams, but they
have had several close wins that in past years would have been blowouts. I think
the Cougars can beat them tonight. I will be there losing my voice. Go Cougs!
@sportsaregreatI certainly hope you are labeling me as a "self
rightous hypocrite"? Utah and BYU fans can say what ever they want; I
don't control the forum. The pointed, degrading comments (from both sides)
grow old and tiresome (IMO). My comment and position is from watching both BYU
and Gonzaga play numerous times this year. Last night was painful; but I'm
very happy with this years Utah team. Not a single senior on the roster and
probably NIT bound. I can live with that. I will be more suprised if BYU loses,
than if they win; especially playing at home. I will also be the first to
congradulate them if they do. Look forward to the game. Later Guy!
WisconsinSo if I make a constructive comment regarding a Gonzaga
team that I follow, and have followed, very closely I'm trolling? If I make
a statement or opinion regarding a BYU prorgram that I've followed since
the Fred Robert's day's, I'm trolling? Really? My statement
regarding Gonzaga being average is they just don't have the talent that
they have had in past years. The usually have a number of big road wins against
the power conferences and are ranked securely in the top 20 (#1 last year); as
opposed to a fringe top 25 team. They have lost nuetral site games to Dayton,
Kansas State and on the road at Memphis. Obviously vulnereable as they are
tonight. Notice Memphis (#24) is the only current top 25 team on their schedule.
Gonzaga doesn't have a single win against a top 25 team. I would say that
justifies them being average, or I would say below average, by Gonzaga
standards. Gonzaga hasn't made it past the sweet 16 in what; 8 years?
Unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong but this team won't get out of the 2nd
round of the tourney.
It really is funny that so many claim that BYU has to win the WCC Tournament to
get in.No, they don't. Yes, of course getting the automatic
bid would be the best, since it would obviously guarantee them a spot. However,
even after going 1-1 last week with a loss to Pacific on the road, Lunardi of
ESPN has BYU back in his list of predicted Tournament teams. Yes, they are
basically the last team in and it's not a good position to be in. However,
even if BYU loses to Gonzaga tonight they still have a shot at an at large bid.
Just win out, then make it to the semifinals and/or finals of the WCC
tournament. I would say they could drop a conference tournament game to either
St. Mary's or Gonzaga and not have it hurt them too much.Of
course, a win against Gonzaga tonight would be a huge step in solidifying their
Tonight's game will highlight what is good about college b.ball: sold out
arena, excited fans, and good quality play.Regardless of the
outcome, BYU still has to win the WCC tourney to go dancing.
Spokane - I forget, its ok for Ute "fans" to say something but not ok
for byu fans to say the same thing, and that doesn't make Ute
"fans" hypocrites. Thanks for the reminder. Not sensitive at all, just
not afraid to call our self righteous hypocrites. Hopefully byu
doesn't find a way to blow the game 6 different times like Utah did last
night, but wouldn't put it past them.
Re: Spokane UteI don't think Sports Are Great was
"generalizing" at all. He was simply acknowledging the trolls on both
sides troll, which is what you are doing right now. Evidence of
trolling? Making statements that diminish the success of another team before or
after that success is reached (i.e. "This Gonzaga team is very vulnerable
and average"). Do you really believe the Zags are "average"? They
rank higher than all but one (or two depending on the poll) team in the PAC12.
One could logically deduce therefore that the PAC12 is well below average. This
phenomenon (making ridiculous claims with no evidence to back it up) is called
logical fallacy and it is something that trolls excel at. I would
love to hear some actual evidence for why the Zags are so vulnerable and
average. Thanks in advance.
No hypocrisy here; just an honest sports fan. Drop the
sensitivity.....sheesh.It's too early to say whether BYU does
or does not deserve a bid. If they win out the rest of the way, then lose in the
WCC Championship; they will get a bid; regardless or our opinions. A loss
tonight would be very damaging.Have a good day.
Winder and Bartley need to be subbed in earlier in the game - both those guys
can have an immediate impact on both sides of the ball. Someone tell Mika to
keep the ball off of the floor.
@Spokane, and yet didn't I say the same thing you said, just replacing Utah
"fans" instead of byu fans? So it wasn't generalizing and putting
all byu fans in one group when you said it but it was for Utah fans when I said
it?Like I said, pot, meet kettle. Drop the hypocrisy. As for the game, byu in my opinion doesn't deserve an NCAA bid this year.
A win over Gonzaga would be nice and a little unexpected, but even with a win
this BYU team doesn't deserve to be in the big dance. Too many losses to
bad teams(and no, I'm not including Utah. I think Utah is a good team)
At SportsaregreatNice job of generalizing and putting all Utah fans
in one group. Nice, but far from accurate.Looking forward to the
game; super-duper match up!I think BYU wins this; Gonzaga struggles
against good teams on the rosd! We shall see!
BYU will have to play a complete game, defend the 3, yes, but also defend
inside, and work to run when they can. Rebounding will be key, as well as
playing smart, not wasting possessions foolishly. They must
match Zags fast start, (Zags like to play from in front), basket for basket.
Gonzaga's first task is always to take the lead, play from the lead...take
that away and they'll be frustrated. It is a win-able game, its up to the
players, if they give it not just their best, but their very best thus far. Go
SpokaneIt's very difficult to want BYU to win any games,
especially when so many of there so called fans flood the Utah threads after
every lose. Never when they win though. Now that's curious?Pot,
meet kettle. Ute "fans" do it better than any.
This should be a great game. It's very difficult to want BYU to win any
games, especially when so many of there so called fans flood the Utah threads
after every lose. Never when they win though. Now that's curious?Oh well, here's to a good game and I will be pulling for Gonzaga simply
because they are my home town team. This Gonzaga team is very vulnerable and
average. I would not be the least bit suprised to see them lose to BYU.
BYU is not in. Not enough good wins. Must beat Gonzaga and not lose anymore
conference games. If they win tonight and not lose until at least the final,
that is their best chance. Gonzaga is less than stellar on the road in
conference play. They are extremely beatable. If they find their offense, BYU
can easily outscore these guys.