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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 19 2014 6:41 p.m. MST

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

pocy then why didn't utah sign them on signing day two weeks ago? Why wait? As was reported it is because utah didn't sign anyone else so they went ahead and signed these guys. Yes I know they are leaving on missions and utah hoped to not sign them now, thus not having them count against the limit, so they could use those scholarships for other kids. After two weeks had passed and they were unable to get anyone else worth having they went ahead and signed them anway.

BYU signed all of their missionary bound recruits, announced them as signee's, and went about their business. If things at utah were truly as you claim there would have been no reason at all to wait two weeks to sign them, they would have done it on signing day and given those kids their moment then.

I've never seen such a desperate attempt to try and claim two recruits that rejected a school really weren't wanted by that school.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Duck

This is the first time Utah has ever signed their sign and sends to LOI. Why they changed? I would guess, 2 words: Lowell Lotulelei. If they don't have them sign the LOI, then the player is an open recruit IF they come home from their mission early or change their mind.

Signing the LOI only obliges both parties to an agreement for 18 months, but, it doesn't use a scholarship until that player enrolls in school. The fact is Utah now has, and only had 1 scholarship available before they signed and after they signed.

Do you really think BYU or Utah or any other program that signs missionaries has them on scholarship while they are gone? That is what you are insinuating by saying that Utah is putting these guys on scholarship.

Still waiting on your source about Rivals rating system.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

pocy

I didn't say they would be on scholarship while out. BYU just about always signs their kids that are leaving on missions, that is why it is called a "SIGN AND SEND", not a "don't sign and send". Your assertion that a school can only sign 25 kids is false, they can sign as many as they want to sign and many schools do it. In most cases it is because they are fairly sure many of them will not qualify academically so they sign more knowing they'll really wind up with less. Or they know they are leaving on a mission. Sometimes though it leaves a kid without a scholarship because they over signed them.

utah has dealt with enough missionaries in their time that they know how this works so there was no reason to wait two weeks to sign them unless they were hoping to sign someone else and that is exactly what they did. If you have another reason/excuse why they waited two weeks unnecessarily to sign the kids I'm all ears.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

pocy

This is directly from rivals website, you can google it.

"The rankings are compiled after countless hours of film evaluation, personal observations and input from professional, college and high school coaches."

In rivals case it is basically film and input not onsite observations. And any old clown can be an evaluator for rivals, take dan sorenson for instance.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Duck

The ONLY 2 players I ever said Utah didn't sign because of space were Tukuafu and Blackmon. And that absolutely still stands.

LOI and schollies are completely different beast.

Utah signed 21 LOIs on signing day, had 1 schollie left, at this point it looks like Kendall Thompson will get it as he transfers from OU. You can accept the truth or not. But it doesn't change the facts.

You said Rivals changes their rankings according to who offers the player. You still have shown no documentation to support your claim.

Dan Sorenson doesn't rate the players. The national guys at rivals have the final say on all rivals recruits. As for your claim it isn't on site, you couldn't be more wrong. I read articles all the time from their national guys who are at countless camps.

I have presented the facts to you. You may do with them as you wish. I am now done with this discussion.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@pocy

You're "done" because you are wrong. utah was rejected by those players and your desperate attempts to spin it as utah not having enough scholarships has been shown to be false. Yes recruits actually do choose BYU and usu over utah, in fact this year more kids chose BYU than utah by quite a long shot when both offered them scholarships. I understand that utah "fans" have built this false mystique up about what the utah football program is based on a couple of good seasons and a conference invite but it is an illusion, it isn't real. utah is, and always has been, a very mediocre program with little in the way of national accomplishments and no real respect. I'm sorry I have to tell you this but it is simply the way it is. Just being in the pac12 doesn't change that despite the "frantic and emotional" attempts by utah "fans" to pretend that it constitutes a legacy.

You still haven't told me why utah waited two weeks to sign those kids? Is it because you don't like the answer?

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