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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 19 2014 6:41 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

There are no moral losses, but playing the hardest schedule in the nation would likely not end well for any team.

Our first year in the Pac 12 we could not have taken ranked asu, ranked UCLA, and ranked OSU down to the final play. We could not have beaten end of season top 10 Stanford.

There has been great improvement the last couple years, but we have to remember that we don't have any gimme wins any more like when we beat up on MWC nobodies. Going forward the next two years we wont even have gimme wins against local WAC programs. So the challenge continues, but its one we welcome.

Proud Ute
Proud Pac 12 member
proud Whittingham supporter

Whittingham has taken us to the top of the nation before as the only undefeated team as our quest ended in perfection, and he'll take us back to glory again.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

For those who think its better to be winning more games beating up on nobodies, I'll remind you a small fish in a big pond is still BIGGER than a "big" fish in a small pond.

And the goal of every program is to be as big as you can be.

Small fish in the Pac 12 are bigger(better) than big WAC fish.

Need proof?

See the Pac 12's 14-1 record against the WAC(including byu) last year.

Recruiting?

EVERY pac 12 team beat EVERY mwc team.

Anyone who really believes this big fish in small pond thing as being better must think it was better to be Fresno than Alabama this last year since Fresno was the biggest fish in their pond but Alabama was not the biggest fish in the SEC pond.

LOL. Keep telling yourself it was better to be Fresno than Alabama last year!

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

I'm sorry, but anyone who has followed the offseason for Utah at all would know that this just isn't accurate:

QB: Yes, those are most of the players involved, but, a poorly kept secret is Kendall Thompson graduated junior from Oklahoma is likely transferring. He visited over the weekend.

RB: Harvey Langi will be back in time for the season and will certainly be in the mix at RB.

The lines: First of all, Kyle has already stated that Sam Tevi has switched from the D-line to the O-line. He is absolutely in the mix for the starting LT position. Poutasi will absolutely start, likely back at his more natural position of RT. Also, Andrew Albers is in the mix of the LT prospects too.

LBs: The 3 mentioned are great, but it doesn't account for Gionni Paul and Uaea Masina

CB: Whit has also said Rowe will be moved to CB.

I appreciate the effort for the write up, but please, let's at least make have infer that is accurate.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Here is why I like Whittingham, he can relate to and talk the Utah talk when he wants to and needs to to get whatever local kids we want, but he then can drop the religious overtones and be a regular coach and focus on winning first and foremost.

Its a fine balance you have to have at Utah - a coach needs to understand the culture here, but at the same time I think as much as possible we want to take the "Utah culture" OUT of the Utah football program.

RealBlue
Holladay, UT

Chris B. I am not sure why you repeat yourself on every post. We all get what you are trying to say. One thing I don't get is that their is no more WAC. The WAC has no fish. I'm just not sure if you realize that.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Position-by-position breakdown doesn't matter if you can't win half your games.

If not for BYU, the state of Utah would have little to no football recognition.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Taking the "Utah Culture" out of the University of Utah eh Chris? That would alienate nearly two-thirds of the instate recruits and drive actual fans away while appealing to a very narrow section of fans who seem to cheer only to annoy. Celebrate Utah for what it is instead of the fact that it isn't BYU. Utah is a very solid University and has a good football team.

Utah has several good LDS athletes coming back from missions. Harvey Langi is the one I am looking forward to seeing the most. He should be making an impact as soon as he is back into game form.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

Re: worf

Utah is the only team in the state that is in a big time conference.
When was the last time BYU beat a team that finished the season ranked in the top 10 (Utah beat Stanford last year)?

Best win last year - Utah, they beat Stanford (a team that finished ranked #10 )
Worst loss - BYU, they lost to Virginia (Virginia was 0-10 in FBS games other than 1 win over BYU)

Head to Head - Utah won for the 4th year in a row

BYU finished the season 2-5 vs BCS teams (and they didn't play a conference champion or runner up)

UteNationAlum
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Worf

"If not for BYU, the state of Utah would have little to no football recognition."

And remind me how BYU has more recognition than the Utes, when they get beat by the Utes every year? I think I'm confused.

Playing Idaho State in November at 10pm doesn't exactly get you recognized.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

Preeeeeeeeee season hype, they will be as bad as ever next season, you can go to the bank on that one. So will BYU

Creeper51
Bountiful, UT

Chris B

You continue to forget that the majority of the Players and Fans on the Utah team are LDS and live the Utah culture, stop being so obtuse. Whittingham is LDS for goodness sake's, he isn't going to ever drop Utah culture, stop acting like you are the only fan they want to please.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@Uncle Rico & UteNationAlum:

* BYU has won more games the past twenty five years
* BYU is seen more on television
* Utes can't win half their games
* BYU beat Texas, and Oklahoma. When has the utes beaten Boise State in the past decade?

I rest my case!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

worf,

When was byu's last quest for perfection that was perfected?

When did byu last play in a big time bowl game?

When did byu last finish in the top 5?

When did byu last beat a powerhouse SEC team in a bowl game?

You beatn an 8-5 Oklahoma team 5 year ago and you think that is special?

LOL

I rest my case

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ CB
Well I will say the Alabama victory doesn't matter as much after this year.
Alabama got trounced by a decent but not great Oklahoma team.
Maybe if Alabama is not in the title game they just don't play well.
The evidence suggests it.
When did Utah win the national championship on football? Please remind me.
Some Utah fans have reminded us of their 1944 title.
I will admit Utah had a couple good seasons but they are the new Washington State of the Pac in football. They will rise up once a decade and be good.
There is a reason they are relegated to the Pac-12 Network most games.
I would love to be more optimistic. But Cal got recruits over Utah and what was Cal's record?
Even BYU and Washington State out recruited the U.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@pocy

Did you happen to catch the following in the trib last friday?

"Since the Utes had room under the 25 scholarship cap, they've gone ahead and signed Pita Tonga (6-2, 270), a defensive tackle from Highland H.S., Thor Katoa (6-2, 220), a linebacker out of Pine View H.S., Kyle Christiansen (6-4, 320), a defensive tackle out of Mountain Crest H.S., and Amone Finau (6-2, 180) out of Kearns H.S.....The Utes decided to go ahead and sign the players so they could publicize the signings since they had enough scholarships available to do so.
The Utes still have one scholarship available. Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said they'll use it on the "best player available."

Hmmm.....sounds like utah had plenty of scholarships available despite your desperate attempts to claim otherwise. Not only that but they still have another one available according to whittingham and he will give it to the "best player available".

Now tell me again how utah was "out of scholarships".

RealBlue
Holladay, UT

Chris B

Your questions that you are asking worf is so irrelevant. You went to 2 BCS bowl games, big deal. If they were National Championships it would be a better argument. I know you will say, "here is another BYU fan pointing out that they won a national championship", my reply is yes here I am. But that's not the point. And the question about undefeated seasons, you went undefeated against according to you "WAC" teams even though they were MWC, you seem to refer the MWC as the WAC still not sure why.

My point is you act like the frutes have made these huge accomplishments over a long period of time. The fact is that the frutes had 2 yes 2 good seasons, maybe 3 out of how many years? 100+ of competitive football and you hang your hat on 2 or 3 good seasons? I think its comical. My advice to you is come back to reality, your beloved football program is crap, and will be crap for a long time. Oh by the way Colorado State beat Washington State. So your perspective about the bad big fish is better than good small fish is deluded.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Duck

there is a big difference between and LOI and initiating a scholarship.

Yes, they signed a LOI as the article said to let the kids have the fanfare of signing something, but they are all sign and sends, just like Tukuafu would have been. None of them will have their scholarship initialized this year. THAT is the problem, not the number of LOIs, a school can sign up to 25 LOIs, but they can't have more than 85 schollies. Therefore, my statement is absolutely correct.

It goes back to the old saying that one should stay quiet and let others think they don't know what they are talking about instead of speaking up and removing all doubt.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Uh pocy, it says right in the article they are "UNDER the SCOLARSHIP limit" not under the LOI limit. Not only that it also states that even with those signings they still have another SCHOLARSHIP left for THIS YEAR that they are looking to award. In otherwords you were not just completely wrong you continue to be wrong and you are now desperately trying to cover it up.

They had those kids sign because they were under the limit of scholarships, schools can sign more than 25 LOI's so you are wrong about that as well. In fact if you simply look it up on your beloved rivals site you will see there are schools that had over 30 loi's signed this year.

So tell me again how come they still have another scholarship they are looking to award this year if they are actually out of them?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Also pocy anyone that "knows what they are talking about" as you so succintly put it, would realize that if it was really how you are trying to portray it utah would have just signed those kids two weeks ago on signing day and given them their fanfare then and not waited two weeks to do it. In fact you made a big deal about them not signing them because they did not have the room to do so yet here they are two weeks later signing them anyway, and putting out a press release about it, because they did actually have scholarships available and in fact they say they still have one more on top of those that they are looking to award.

They didn't sign them then because they were hoping to sign other recruits, when that did not occur they signed them two weeks later because they were not going to fill them all. That is what happened, you are wrong, you continue to be wrong and I am embarrassed for you that you continue to propogate this fallacy despite in print evidence proving you wrong. Admit it and move on.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Duck

think about what you're saying. Those players are not going to be on scholarship this year They are not going to count on scholarship.

Kyle himself said on signing day they had just 1 scholarship available. How is that all of a sudden they have 5 more? Because they don't. I am saying Lya is incorrect, yes, I am. That ONE scholarship is likely going to go to Kendall Thompson who visited over the weekend.

Listen, you can whine all you want, but Kyle knows his scholarship situation a lot better than Lya and you do.

BTW, I'm still waiting on your source describing how Rivals rates it players according to the who offers them. That's right, it doesn't exist, except in your mind.

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