You wouldn't sell her cigarettes, because she is not old enough to make
that decision (which I agree with). You wouldn't sell her a handgun,
because she is not old enough for that responsibility (which I agree with). You
wouldn't sell her alcohol, because she is not mature enough yet to handle
that responsibility (which I also agree with). You wouldn't sell her
pornography, again she is too young to see those pictures. She is barely old
enough to get into a rated R movie. But if she is found guilty of a crime, you
are 100% fully certain that she is old enough, responsible enough, and mature
enough to face the ultimate punishment? Stop thinking with emotions. Killing a
child doesn't do anything except kill a child. Holding her for life is just
a waste of taxpayer money for nothing more than revenge. Reform, Rehabilitate,
DN Subscriber,The entire war on drugs is a failed war of
"deterrence." Your case for deterrence relies on rational assumption
that people think or care about future consequences when committing crimes while
on drugs. My friend, the very reason we make drugs illegal is because it makes
people act irrational. Thus, you would never deter this behavior--even if you
killed this girl. You should focus on retribution, rehabilitation, and public
safety.As for reserving your sympathy for those wounded, killed and
affected by this tragedy. that is very good of you. I however, don't need
to pick a side. She was wrong. So wrong. Consequences so dire. For everyone
involved. I therefore sympathize without reserve.
Cavetroll,I am familiar with the statute. Please familiarize
yourself with the facts. This man was 10 years her senior. She was being
statutorily raped. Under law, she is unable to consent to sex with a 27-year
old. We do that to protect her from the predation of adults on teens.That logic however, is ignored when the teen commits horrible crimes. At that
point, everyone in their righteous anger wants to ignore that they are dealing
with a person. So they ignore the details about that person. Like their age.
This is not to say that she doesn't know the difference between right and
wrong. It is to say that she does not fully appreciate the consequences of her
actions like adults do.
I agree with pleblian and airnautYour either an adult or a child, this
floating age of consent or adulthood in order to stiffen penalties is
nonsense.If you are not of sufficient age to make adult decisions
when it come to alcohol cigarettes, voting, how can you say that she is adult
enough to know what she was doing while in a relationship with this cop killer.
@pleblian"If a 17 year old is not mentally mature enough to lawfully
consent to sex," A 17 year old can legally consent to have sex
in Utah. The crime is when a person who is more than 10 years older than a 17
year old has sex with said 17 year old (or a 16 year old). Refer to Utah Code
76-5-401.2. Unlawful sexual conduct with a 16- or 17-year-old.
Which is worse, A deputy is killed in the line of duty, His trigger
man is also dead, orThe armchair monday morning Legal
quaterbacks who want to see a pregnant, teenaged accomplice executed by the
We have laws making certain unacceptable behavior "crimes." When people
commit "crimes" they are punished, and we have legislated what the
punishments will be.I am not at all sympathetic at this point to all
the heart wringing wailing about "she's only a child; she was on drugs,
she was [unmarried and] pregnant..."We have penalties to punish
those who commit crimes, and their severity should deter others from committing
crimes, and the duration should also protect society from people who are
unwilling to live a civilized life.When people make exceptions for
the mitigating circumstances pointed out, then they diminish the punishment,
deterrence and protection which is needed. And, it is likely other societal
misfits will go forth and do likewise (and some crave getting their name in the
news.) If we do not enforce our laws, then we have no laws. I
reserve my sympathy and hopes for healing and better life for the widow and five
fatherless children created when this woman and her boyfriend killed one cop,
wounded another.And, this horrible chain of events should strengthen
our resolve to continue to criminalize illegal drugs which contributed to this
plebian:You don't have sufficient facts to state that "If
she lived to full expectancy, she would die in prison around 2079. That is
nearly 80% of her life in prison. Absolutely makes no sense...With 17 year olds,
pragmatism overcomes my anger."There may or may not be reason
for her to spend the rest of her life in prison. Teen or not, she is way past
the age where one becomes aware of the hideousness of murder. She aided in the
killing of a police officer, a husband, a father, a brother, and a son. She
took away something that cannot be returned to these family members. As sad is
it is, she may deserve to lose her freedom for life. At least her family could
write and talk, and she could enjoy some measure of creativity, learning and
growth. That is more than can be said for Officer Wride. These crimes deserve
serious consequences. If a judge and jury decide the facts warrant life in
prison, that may be justified and a small part of the tragedy.
"Hopefully she will spend the rest of her life behind bars"While you and I likely agree in our outrage and anger regarding the murder and
attempted murder of some wonderful fathers, we could not disagree more on how to
punish a child.If she lived to full expectancy, she would die in
prison around 2079. That is nearly 80% of her life in prison. Absolutely makes
no sense. If it were an adult, I would agree that some killings and
violent crimes cannot be served by less than a life sentence. With 17 year olds,
pragmatism overcomes my anger.
@sg, I would agree with you , but SCOTUS has decided minors cannot be given the
death penalty. Hopefully she will spend the rest of her life behind bars.
"Teen". A 17 year old should never be eligible for the death penalty.
If a 17 year old is not mentally mature enough to lawfully consent
to sex, then they certainly are not mentally mature enough to be held to an
adult standard of punishment.
Regardless of her age, she knew what she was doing; she knew that the officer
was dead and continued being a participant. She should be tried as an adult and
sentenced to death by firing squad. No life long sentence. There is absolutely
no reason she should live.