Comments about ‘Teen suspect in fatal deputy shooting not eligible for death penalty’

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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 19 2014 12:30 p.m. MST

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sg
newhall, CA

Regardless of her age, she knew what she was doing; she knew that the officer was dead and continued being a participant. She should be tried as an adult and sentenced to death by firing squad. No life long sentence. There is absolutely no reason she should live.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

"Teen". A 17 year old should never be eligible for the death penalty.

If a 17 year old is not mentally mature enough to lawfully consent to sex, then they certainly are not mentally mature enough to be held to an adult standard of punishment.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@sg, I would agree with you , but SCOTUS has decided minors cannot be given the death penalty. Hopefully she will spend the rest of her life behind bars.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

"Hopefully she will spend the rest of her life behind bars"

While you and I likely agree in our outrage and anger regarding the murder and attempted murder of some wonderful fathers, we could not disagree more on how to punish a child.

If she lived to full expectancy, she would die in prison around 2079. That is nearly 80% of her life in prison. Absolutely makes no sense.

If it were an adult, I would agree that some killings and violent crimes cannot be served by less than a life sentence. With 17 year olds, pragmatism overcomes my anger.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

plebian:

You don't have sufficient facts to state that "If she lived to full expectancy, she would die in prison around 2079. That is nearly 80% of her life in prison. Absolutely makes no sense...With 17 year olds, pragmatism overcomes my anger."

There may or may not be reason for her to spend the rest of her life in prison. Teen or not, she is way past the age where one becomes aware of the hideousness of murder. She aided in the killing of a police officer, a husband, a father, a brother, and a son. She took away something that cannot be returned to these family members. As sad is it is, she may deserve to lose her freedom for life. At least her family could write and talk, and she could enjoy some measure of creativity, learning and growth. That is more than can be said for Officer Wride. These crimes deserve serious consequences. If a judge and jury decide the facts warrant life in prison, that may be justified and a small part of the tragedy.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We have laws making certain unacceptable behavior "crimes." When people commit "crimes" they are punished, and we have legislated what the punishments will be.

I am not at all sympathetic at this point to all the heart wringing wailing about "she's only a child; she was on drugs, she was [unmarried and] pregnant..."

We have penalties to punish those who commit crimes, and their severity should deter others from committing crimes, and the duration should also protect society from people who are unwilling to live a civilized life.

When people make exceptions for the mitigating circumstances pointed out, then they diminish the punishment, deterrence and protection which is needed. And, it is likely other societal misfits will go forth and do likewise (and some crave getting their name in the news.) If we do not enforce our laws, then we have no laws.

I reserve my sympathy and hopes for healing and better life for the widow and five fatherless children created when this woman and her boyfriend killed one cop, wounded another.

And, this horrible chain of events should strengthen our resolve to continue to criminalize illegal drugs which contributed to this murder.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Which is worse,
A deputy is killed in the line of duty,
His trigger man is also dead,

or

The armchair monday morning Legal quaterbacks who want to see a pregnant, teenaged accomplice executed by the State?

Sick!

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@pleblian
"If a 17 year old is not mentally mature enough to lawfully consent to sex,"

A 17 year old can legally consent to have sex in Utah. The crime is when a person who is more than 10 years older than a 17 year old has sex with said 17 year old (or a 16 year old). Refer to Utah Code 76-5-401.2. Unlawful sexual conduct with a 16- or 17-year-old.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

I agree with pleblian and airnaut
Your either an adult or a child, this floating age of consent or adulthood in order to stiffen penalties is nonsense.

If you are not of sufficient age to make adult decisions when it come to alcohol cigarettes, voting, how can you say that she is adult enough to know what she was doing while in a relationship with this cop killer.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

Cavetroll,

I am familiar with the statute. Please familiarize yourself with the facts. This man was 10 years her senior. She was being statutorily raped. Under law, she is unable to consent to sex with a 27-year old. We do that to protect her from the predation of adults on teens.

That logic however, is ignored when the teen commits horrible crimes. At that point, everyone in their righteous anger wants to ignore that they are dealing with a person. So they ignore the details about that person. Like their age. This is not to say that she doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. It is to say that she does not fully appreciate the consequences of her actions like adults do.

pleblian
salt lake city, utah

DN Subscriber,

The entire war on drugs is a failed war of "deterrence." Your case for deterrence relies on rational assumption that people think or care about future consequences when committing crimes while on drugs. My friend, the very reason we make drugs illegal is because it makes people act irrational. Thus, you would never deter this behavior--even if you killed this girl. You should focus on retribution, rehabilitation, and public safety.

As for reserving your sympathy for those wounded, killed and affected by this tragedy. that is very good of you. I however, don't need to pick a side. She was wrong. So wrong. Consequences so dire. For everyone involved. I therefore sympathize without reserve.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

You wouldn't sell her cigarettes, because she is not old enough to make that decision (which I agree with). You wouldn't sell her a handgun, because she is not old enough for that responsibility (which I agree with). You wouldn't sell her alcohol, because she is not mature enough yet to handle that responsibility (which I also agree with). You wouldn't sell her pornography, again she is too young to see those pictures. She is barely old enough to get into a rated R movie. But if she is found guilty of a crime, you are 100% fully certain that she is old enough, responsible enough, and mature enough to face the ultimate punishment? Stop thinking with emotions. Killing a child doesn't do anything except kill a child. Holding her for life is just a waste of taxpayer money for nothing more than revenge. Reform, Rehabilitate, Release.

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