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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 19 2014 5:56 p.m. MST

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mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

Illogical is a very polite word for what the leg is proposing.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Yes Governor it may be illogical, but it sends a "message" and our legislators love to send "messages" to the federal government with tax payer money.

humbug
Syracuse/Davis, UT

Thank you, Governor. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just hope the Leg will listen to you.

jean22
Bountiful, UT

I agree with Governor Herbert. Why should the state turn down $500 million in money that we Utahns have already paid to the federal government, only to raise our taxes to come up with $35 million MORE to invent an inferior program -- one that will cover fewer people and not give good coverage to those few that it does cover? Illogical, is right! Please accept the Medicaid Expansion!

G-Day-M8
WVC, UT

Illogical? How is extortion from the federal government logical? obama care is a train wreck. 500 million dollars of borrowed money is not logical at all. I think we can make it on 35 million dollars, it's called budgeting. Will it hurt? perhaps, but not nearly as much as the noose.

Does the Governor know, the US is close to 20 "T"rillion dollars in debt with an estimated 90-100 "T"rillion in unfunded liabilities?

Mr Herbert, you will mortgage more of the soul of Utah to the feds? Independence from federal binding ropes should be much more preferable to you and all Utahan's

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Even a college dropout can see that my Republican party's plan is idiotic. G-Day-M8 is fine with budgeting for someone else's healthcare. There is no message to send. The only message you send by turning down the money is that you're illogical. The ACA has been adopted. Live with it or have it repealed.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Does anyone else find it ironic that BO has caused the GOP to discuss and debate an issue they have choose to ignore for years?

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

It would be helpful if the Governor would protest the individual mandate - to send a message to Washington - and to protest the levels of insurance and high deductibles that are planned for us without such a message being sent and oft repeated. Does anyone speak up for justice and common sense any more? Being logical, fine in itself, is not what will hearten the oppressed, and the oppressed don't begin to exist below some magic level of income and cease above that level.

It would help if Mr Herbert expressed heartfelt sympathy and empathy for this and every other state where people will be impoverished by the requirements of the ACA legislation, and the loss of freedom that we all are suffering these days.

Would that do any good? Yes, it would do a great deal of good, spoken with feeling here and throughout the nation. It would show that governors live on the same planet as so many of the rest of us. If he doesn't live on the same planet he could still show compassion and a determination to use his influence towards turning the tide of oppression and tyranny.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Governor Herbert, please expand Medicaide with the available federal funds. We must now alllow needy folks without insurance to become sick and not have access to good healthcare. Basic access to healthcare is a basic human right, not a privledge available only to those well heeled and well employed! Now granted, we have to find reasonable ways to pay for Healthcare for the needy and our broken Healthcare system must continue to find ways to lower the cost!

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

@Gildas

I think you make some good points about compassion and common sense. However, I would like you to help me understand how you would provide access to healthcare for those who don't have insurance? Can you tell me that if an individual buys a health policy outside of the mechanisms of the Affordable Care Act that it will not have high premiums and high deductibles? Do we not lose our freedom to the healthcare empire now if we get really sick and go to the hospital without insurance? I call it loss of freedom when the hospital goes after everything I own to re-pay them for their over-priced services. Please offer how you would solve the problem of affordable access to healthcare for folks that are un-employed or underemployed. Should these folks just suffer and die without any medicine or care for their infirmities? Thankyou.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

ACA is the law of the land and it is working better and better each day. The reason we know this is the lack of attacks on it by the Republicans! They know they lost that one and so far 6 million people have better and in most cases cheaper and wider coverage. As for turning down the 500 million (800 million in the Salt Lake Tribune). Shame on Becky for her lack of understanding and compassion. Governor Herbert will beat her in a landslide when he decide to takes the money, and proceeds with proven programs. Finally we will have a leader instead of a politician like Becky that is only concerned about getting in the Governor's Mansion.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

I agree with Gildas.

We are not citizens of Washington, D.C. We are citizens of Utah. All duties not enumerated in the Constitution are to be handled by the States or by the People. Healthcare is not an enumerated duty. The Supreme Court told us it was a tax. If it is a tax, then we owe the Federal Government that tax and the State of Utah should have no claim on that money.

If the Governor thinks that Washington is our nanny, then perhaps he does not understand our heritage. We are not subjects of a King. We are free people who have the responsibility to pay our own way through life - including paying for our own medical expenses. If the Governor thinks that government should pay for those costs, perhaps he could show us exactly when and were we authorized the State of Utah to provide medical care.

D4inSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Im curious Mike, do you have health insurance, or do you "pay for your own medical expenses"?

If you don't have insurance, and therefore truly do pay your own way, then congratulations, You join the 60,000 Utah's trapped in the gap between ACA and the unwillingness of the State to participate in the expanded program.

Beam Me Up Scotty
Layton, UT

We need to be careful how we might be contributing to the economy damaging policy of the Obama administration to print money (Fed buying the debt) to pay for everything where they are coming up short. The feds medicare plan is like a pension plan, set benefits with no gaurantee of funding. Every time the Fed prints money to by the debt the buying power of the dollar drops thereby taxing everyone to pay for unfunded programs. So, how much of the $500 million from the feds for medicare will be printed?

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

@Meckfahess

My first concern was with the individual mandate. If I cannot, or do not want to, pay for a health plan of a certain kind, I cannot, or should not be required to, pay a fine.
Many people, apparently, are faced with higher health care costs under ACA, and higher deductibles. How is it compassionate to force them to do what will impoverish them? If they could have afforded the kind of plan that many are being forced into, they would presumably have sought one already.

What would I do, or propose to do? A fair question. I would leave health insurance to the States and to private philanthropy. I would not force anyone to have health insurance. I would insist legally on (advertized) 'a la carte' prices for common procedures (take the average cost of the procedure over time), promote healthy living, and warn people about the results of bad diet (the cause of most of our ills) and promiscuity (of growing concern), as well as smoking, drinking, and drug abuse. I would not subsidize any policy that is not actuarily sound. That would be a start.....

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

The answer to the Medicaid question is quite simple. Does the current legislature really think they can come up with the full funding for Medicare when the "free money" from the national government runs out.

How WILL they fund it? Raise taxes? Have a very large bakesale?

The legislature needs to understand that if they DO fund the Medicaid expansion, they will be "on the hook" for much more in the future. Is it fair for the current legislature to commit future legislatures to the Medicaid expansion?
How would they propose to tell the recipients in 2020 that they can no longer afford to fund it?
Once citizens receive a service (especially free ones) it becomes increasingly difficult to take it away.

Sqweebie
Salt Lake City, UT

Hey Governor - how about counting ALL members of the family when it comes to medicaid. As a family of 2 our spend down would be about $40. But instead they are counting one person's income and applying it to just the one person in the family who has applied for the medicaid making the spend down unpayable. We don't qualify for the insurance through the healthcare network but we supposedly make too much money to qualify for medicaid. Something is not right here. Start counting all family members using the same income to live on not just the one that has applied for medicaid. the system is broken.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

Lockhart says it is not "illogical" and "makes sense" to reject Medicaid expansion. If you go by the numbers, $524 million from the feds covers 111,000 people. Doing the match, the states alternative of $35 million would cover only about 7,400 people. And our fiscally conservative state will lose $559 million to cover that 7,400 and send an anti-fed message, which will have no affect and they will gladly receive, as they will save a half a billion dollars. Sounds logical and sensible to me.

hnoel
Layton, UT

G-Day-M8......YOU think we can get by on $35 million???? You do understand of course that providing many fewer services to many fewer people is a 35 million dollar definition of "getting by." You do understand, of course, that this $35 million is IN ADDITION to the money we have already sent to Washington....our money that you suggest we refuse. "Yes, there is waste in government....Yes, we need to curb spending. No, government can't and shouldn't do everything for us. BUT....this is an area where it can and should. You may not benefit from this, but many people need it. We sent the money to Washington....to refuse to take some of it back, is crazy, and in this case heartless. The ACA is a boondoggle. But it is OUR boondoggle. We need to grow up and work to make it work, rather than just sit back and complain and send messages. ( By-the-way, seceding from the Union is also "illogical.")

Sundriver
West Jordan, UT

It is NOT illogical to not accept Federal funds as an inducement to surrender more state and personal freedom. Federal government money ALWAYS comes with strings attached.Further, I thought Obamacare guaranteed all American citizens affordable access to health care. Medicaid expansion is not and should not be considered a part of this guarantee and as I u8nderstand, the Supreme court affirmed this. It is indeed tragic that so many Utahns do not have adequate medical coverage, but the state cannot exhaust what few remaining resources it has to try and solve these problems. Churches, charities, and hospitals can do step in to the tune of millions of dollars each year to aid in this effort. The solution, ultimately is not to strip the rich of their wealth, or to further squander more money on useless programs like Obamacare, but to repeal such laws and return to true market based solutions, balance the federal budget, get more people back to work and rely less on government dole to solve our problems.

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