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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 18 2014 9:15 p.m. MST

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Phoegs
Murray, UT

@pheogs see Bill Gates at the National Conference of State Legislatures (clip 5) on youtube

PhotoSponge
nampa, ID

To Owen: Why should they listen to the majority now; they haven't in the past when the MAJORITY of Utahans voted for marriage between one man and one woman. On Common Core, the majority has been led astray. The more the Feds are in it, the more you lose.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

RedWings.

I think there's some truth in the old saying, You can fool some of the people all the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Which is more important to you? Your Childs health? Your Childs nutrition? Your Childs education? Your Childs religion? Your Childs physical abilities? Etc.

Do you not seek and accept the best advise and ability that you can find for assistance is carrying out your responsibility and accountability to God?

Do you get to vote on medical procedures? Do you not depend and expect that the service you receive will be determined by others who are educated and experiences.

If you seek advise on an important subject, would you ask one person, two, a state, a nation or the whole world? I would ask as many as I could.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

I sat next to a professor at the University of Utah this morning at breakfast. I asked him what he though about Common Core? He said it is about time that the United States have standards of learning for education. He said that the most frustrating thing to him is students in University Classes that can't read, write of even understand anything but pulp fiction novels. He said that the people who are opposing Common Core must not know anything about it! He said it elevates standards so we can compete in the Global World. Americans are falling behind. He said that a good portion of Student Loans are for remedial classes so these students can graduate. This all should have been required before entering the University.

2yearn
Lehi, UT

Common Core was voted for before it was developed and then implemented nationwide. This is grossly irresponsible. You need to see it before you approve it and then test it and get the bugs out and then implement. It is anti-family because it doesn't let the parents have a say on what and how things are taught. You can't see the tests or teaching materials because they don't want you to see the socialist philosophy being taught. They are giving the schools more right and say to how the child is raised than the parents in everything from whether or not the child is released for doctor appointments to whether or not the child has access to contraceptives. It is anti-family because it is based on socialism and socialism is about replacing the family with the state. It has more control over people that way. It is ten times a bigger train wreck than Obamacare. But then should we be surprised? It has been created by the same maker. I do not support Common Core even if you rename it Utah Core.

Kermit
Kaysville, UT

I especially loved what three of the one common core haters in this article said that she does not like the core because "it is an affront to humanity" (Christel Swasey) and that "Utahns did not write it" (Dayton), and that it was "anti-family" (Boyack).

Was the U.S. Constitution written at the state level, which calls for a common defense and lots of other "common" things? The common core came from educators, state administrators, and professors of pedagogy, from many, many states, as they sought to unify what is taught at each grade level. For example, students at the end of 1st grade will be able to write a topic sentence and three supporting sentences on that topic. Wow! How scary is that! My goodness! Run away! The common core has required us to raise our educational standards in Utah. It helped us to unify the language/terms we were using in our elementary and secondary schools. It is a raising of the bar for us. Read it for yourself at core standards dot org.

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

"'Common Core' is a front for world socialism."

Come on, Joseph McCarthy's been dead for almost 60 years. Yelling about the perils of socialism seems to be the strongest argument the opponents of Common Core can make, but it is a far cry from being an actual argument.

Tensen
Bluffdale, UT

These are my problems with Common Core: 1) The Obama Administration went around Congress and State Legislators by having Governors sign up for this before they even knew what was in it. They were forced into making a deal with the devil or they wouldn't get their millions in stimulus money. 2) 90% of CC expenses are born by the state, but the State Legislators never got to vote on this. 3) Incredibly enough, the State School Board committed to CC before the standards were even written. 4) CC is completely run by special interest groups who will profit exponentially as the years go by. 5) The curriculum is mediocre and cannot be changed in the slightest because it is controlled by the Federal government. I could go on and on....but do I really have to? Do we understand how dangerous it is to have a NATIONAL EDUCATION SYSTEM WHERE THE PARENTS LOSE ALL CONTROL OVER WHAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE LEARNING? Shame on all of you who say so much money has been spent and that is a reason to keep it. Ask Communist countries how well they like having no say over what the government teaches their children.

socialtanderson
Oak City, UT

Any education system that promotes the government interfering my childs education by tracking their mental and behavioral statuses, making teachers afraid to speak out about its inefficiencies, takes away creativity, art, PE, recess, and science to promote a student learning how to test instead of skills that will foster a desire to learn, entrepreneurship, ideas of the future, etc., is not for our kids. Run of the mill students won't get our country anywhere. Kids that cant get into the best universities because the curriculum put them behind, is not for our kids. Kids that cant critically think or brainstorm because they have been taught to follow is not what we want. In fact studies show that our country fostered more business creation, creativity, entrepreneurship, and economic development BEFORE standardized tests and teaching kids to "test".

Jil
York, SC

Thank you Utah for taking a stand against common core. It is encouraging to know South Carolina is not alone in this. We feel if people realized the implications of the program they would fight it for all they were worth waving a flag for freedom! Please do not be complacent about this.

Weber State Graduate
Clearfield, UT

From the National Review Online, perhaps the most conservative, anti-Obama, anti-socialist publication available:

"As education scholars at two right-of-center think tanks, we feel compelled to set the record straight...Common Core offers American students the opportunity for a far more rigorous, content-rich, cohesive K–12 education than most of them have had. Conservatives used to be in favor of holding students to high standards and an academic curriculum based on great works of Western civilization and the American republic. Aren't they still?"

The misinformation, distortion, and misplaced fear about the Common Core is absolutely astounding.

JennyMarieHatch
Cedar City, UT

New York educators are now suggesting a pause in implementation.
I wish there had been more open and honest debate before the changes were made.

Jenny Hatch
Homeschooling Mom in Cedar City

Xerxes
Payson, UT

I'm saddened to see so many unthoughtful comments, but if readers are interested in facts rather than personal attacks please read the following articles and refute the points there. Unfortunately constricted forums often generate more heat than light.

Please google the following articles "What is Common Core: 101 Christel" an "Not with my child you won't" for some excellently cited/researched/referenced articles.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

Common Core is a "Trojan horse" of the left.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@JBQ

Your entire post contains a lot of hyperbole and "chicken little" arguments. How is Common Core a "front for world socialism"? What does Common Core have anything to do with religious standards or gay marriage? Can you please explain using facts and not your personal opinion?

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@JBQ
"Common Core is a "Trojan horse" of the left."
Care to elaborate so the rest of us can be enlightened?

metisophia
Ogden, UT

Love, hate, or care less about the common core -- or Utah core as it was named a couple of years ago. The standards are not the problem. Some of them are questionable -- especially for the younger grades; many of them are misunderstood -- see those who complain about teaching materials as if they actually were the standards.
But the problem is the testing -- the COST of the testing, especially! About $38 million was paid to a firm to help develop the new tests. Millions have been and millions more are proposed to be spent on the computers, programs, band width, etc that the new tests are made to be used on. Countless hours that could have been spent on teaching and learning are devoted to having our children sit in front of a computer screen to take a test that essentially tells us exactly what the teachers could have told us about the knowledge and skills of each student already.
I really can't believe that I actually agree with one of the ideas of the nut-job groups that oppose the CC.
When it comes to the testing, OPT OUT!!!!! Refuse to be part of the testing scam.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

I'd be more worried about some of the text books that Common Core uses than Common Core itself. As part of my high schools Community Council, I've seen a couple of the history books suggested by Common Core and there is a lot of revisionist history in these text books. There is a definate lean to the left in these books. Especially where more modern history is concerned. Fact not fiction.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Word is here in the state of Washington that CC sends home questionnaires for kids' parents to fill out asking about political affiliation, religious beliefs and so forth; which, though I am not ashamed of my lifestyle, I don't think it needs to be used by the school district.

I have learned by experience that when ever someone announces a 'new program' to solve problems that it is usually a money pit. More often than not, the best solution is to go back to basics and work the problem - rather than to invent new ways to help students feel better about numbers, colors and vocabulary.

We have a kindergartner who is burnt out on school. He is expected to do 2 hours of homework every day, he leaves home at 7:30am gets home at 3:30pm --- dead tired, wanting to play and there just isn't enough hours in the day. New education isn't working, no matter what you call it: CC, No Child Left Behind. Lets get back to basics.

kiddsport
Fairview, UT

Apparently the defenders of CC don't read through all the comments before asserting opponents are scare-mongering and uninformed because I have read a number of comments with references and details similar to what I have found in my own research.
One thing I found was a statement by a famous world leader in education: "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever."
Vladimir Lenin
Deja vu, anyone?

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