To "blossom" prove it. I have provided an article from the LA Times,
showing that the childhood autism rates for Utah are lower. Rather than listen
to a Senator who's trustworthiness is questionable like all politicians,
get me some actual data. THe LA Times article mimics the finding in
StatMaster's category titled "Number of Children with Autism (most
recent) by state". Tgere it shows Utah being ranked #29.The
only place where Utah is shown to have a high rate of autism is some studies
that are looking at only 14 states, or else have a small and limited sample size
that even the researchers admit is very small.So again, where is
your proof. So far you have second hand information.
Dear Redshirt1701 - You are wrong. Utah's autism rates are double the
national average. I recommend you contact Senator Shiozawa for the correct
numbers. He is running a bill this session and is hoping to have health
insurance pay for treatments to help the more than 18,000 kids in Utah get the
help they desperately need.
To "blossom" please don't lie. According to the LA Times article
"Autism rates by state", Utah is in the middle. The highest rates are
along the West coast, Great Lakes area, and New England. There are 17 states
with higher childhood autism rates, and 7 with similar rates.
Birth defects are health conditions present at birth and autism is related to
air pollution with our numbers the highest in the nation.
blossom,Does ANYBODY have a birth defect they can prove was caused by air
pollution?If so... let us know about it.I know it can
cause or increase breathing problems, but birth defects?===Birth defects asside... it's a problem. We all know that. Nobody
LIKES air pollution. We all just have different solutions we think will
work.For instance... I don't think the Legislature can fix it.
I think WE... the people driving, heating our homes, using electricity
(generated by burning coal), etc, need to change in order for pollution to
change. Changing the Legislature won't do it (unless we change too).But nobody thinks air pollution is a GOOD thing.IF we can
get more people to realize that everybody wants a solution we can live with...
we can start talking solutions (instead of just blame). If we can talk about
solutions (without the blame)... we can get past the rhetoric and blame and
start talking about real solutions (not just dogma).What solution do
the people who think only the legislature can solve the problem have?They can put more regulations on us... but that still requires US to change...
“If we fail to protect our children against air pollution, we accept the
cost of living with and treating preventable birth defects, chronic diseases,
and disability among our nation’s infants and children. If we fail to
protect children against air pollution, we also accept the cost of permanently
reduced lung capacity and productivity in adults.” -
American Academy of Pediatrics
To "Open Minded Mormon" I am not sure what I said that has set you off,
but lets assume for a moment that you are a typical liberal, and I am a typical
conservative.Lets start with your statement about science.
According to the reports by Politico and other news agencies, a Yale Professor
found that "Tea Party" members know more about science than non-Tea
Party members. See "Eureka! Tea partiers know science" in Politico.I most likely understand you better than you understand me. See
"The Moral Stereotypes of Liberals and Conservatives: Exaggeration of
Differences across the Political Divide" by UCLA and UVA researchers.I am probably better informed than you too. See "Surveys:
Republicans more open-minded, better informed than Democrats" in the Daily
Caller where they report on a Pew research poll.Other studies out
there show that as a conservative I am more open minded than you are as a
liberal.It seems that science proves that I am probably more
pro-science than you, and understand it better than you do too. Or do you deny
Open Minded Mormon,Your constant effort to blame it all on one side.. and
none on the other... is not productive.Nothing is all one
side's fault. And placing the blame is not important (when looking for
solutions). Just finding a group or person to point at as the scape goat is not
important.Neither side has an "anti-Health" ideology. Or
an "Anti-Science" ideology. And the labels are useless as well.That's all political rhetoric.All rhetoric aside... we
need to be focus on SOLUTIONS (not blame).We know who you blame...
what are your solutions???Will regulating industry fix it?Would even totally eliminating all industry fix it?No... not unless we
change our own lifestyle.So maybe you and me are the ones who need
to be regulated (not somebody else).
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UTOK - Let's put all your
anti-Health and Anti-Science ideology aside for a moment...And look
at it from a purely political point of view.We can then directly
blame it on our Republican Governor and republican Utah State Office of Economic
Development who said this is an issue to drawing good business here.Not one peep from us left-of-center, tree-Hugging, GreenPeace, Enviromental
whack-os.Not one.So, If this is coming from YOUR side,
from YOUR own political party [no from us] -- then, shouldn't that be
telling you something?
To "Vivian S. Lee" as others have stated, the decision to stay in NYC is
not because of air pollution. According to the American Lung association the
New York-Newark-Bridgeport area has worse year round pollution than the Salt
Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield area.
I'm not sorry that more people don't want to move to Utah. The fewer
the people, the less pollution. And, what they don't realize is that our
air is only really polluted about 21 days during the winter. It's
beautiful most of the year. So, yes, stay in Los Angeles where you eat the air
365 days a year.
Open Minded Mormon,RE: "College educated people who have a choice.
Choose somewhere else to go almost every time." and "Only those who have
no choice, (5th generation Mormons)"...What do you know about
the Utah population or our air problems (from your perch in Everett, 00)?Are you aware that SLC's population is not even 50% Mormon and more
than 50% college educated? What does that say about your theory?If
college educated people choose somewhere else almost every time... why are so
many college educated people moving into my neighborhood from out of state?I know LOTS of non-LDS, non-native Utahns, who moved to Utah just this
year. And most of them are college educated.What does that say
about your theory? Maybe not quite fact yet?
Poor Air Quality & poor Education.Deal killers.College
educated people who have a choice, Choose somewhere else to go almost
every time.Only those who have no choice, or who have
deep deep roots here [ie.e., 5th generation Mormon, born and raised and
don't know anything else] will choose to stay no matter how bad the
air or the pay is, think air quality is a NON-issue.They are
wrong, it is, and the State recognizes it, but is slow to do
anything about it.
Maybe that's why the Jazz can't attract any big free-agents to sign in
Utah. They are afraid of the air pollution!It's the fad now
days to blame everything that happens, every illness, every business that
doesn't come to Utah, every person who moves elsewhere, etc, etc, ... on
the government's inability to control air pollution.Well if the
government COULD control air pollution.. I would think they would (not only in
SLC but in LA, Chicago, Richfield UT, Vernal, etc, etc, etc).===More government regulation of industry is probably a good idea, but it
won't solve our air pollution problem. Every improvement helps, but even
if all industry disapeared overnight... we would still have an air pollution
problem.The biggest contributor is you and I (collectively a huge
contributor) driving, heating our homes, running our lights, Running our
fireplace, burning our trash, etc, etc.Maybe more people and
companies deciding to not relocate to Utah is a blessing in disguise.IF more companies and people relocate to Utah... would that tend to make our
air quality Better? Or Worse?Maybe growing the economy, and the
population, contributes to our growing pollution.
Sorry, Ma'am, but if your staff stayed in NYC instead of coming here, it
was absolutely NOT because of air quality. Public transit, maybe. But air
quality? If so, then your staff is seriously lacking in good judgement and
should have done their homework. NYC has much more serious air quality issues
than this valley ever had. Not only do they routinely violate the ozone
standard, but also exceed almost every other standard EPA has ever made. New
York City? Really? I know it sounds like a salsa commercial, but really? Are
you kidding? The real difference is that on a clear day here (which is not as
infrequent as some would have you believe), we have the mountains to look at,
and have visibility in the range of over a hundred miles and sometimes hundreds
of miles. On a clear day in NYC, all you can see is NYC - but, who knows how
often that happens?So, come on, if you have researchers who tell you
they choose NYC over SLC because of air quality, they better start spending a
little more time out of their labs and more in the out-of-doors. Seriously, New
Because of its small, homogeneous, population Utah is a fairly well run state,
but large problems such as air pollution highlight the inability of conservative
governance to tackle BIG social problems.Dealing with Utah's
air pollution will require seriously reducing transportation pollution, and (god
forbid!) REGULATING large industrial polluters. I just don't think that
Utah's anti-regulation, fear of government control, legislators have it in
them to do what is necessary to curb our atrocious air pollution!Maybe when it becomes an even more dire economic development issue we will
seriously address our air quality problems.
Yes, the Governor's Office for Economic Development is fully aware that
many businesses refuse to come to Utah now. This is why the governor moved his
annual energy summit to promote fossil fuels to the late spring to sidestep the
inversions. There were too many protestors making the connection between poor
air quality and the promotion of fossil fuel development -- bad for business,
This is true. I am actually a living example. I chose not to apply for job
offers in SLC area of Utah when I was headhunted for two positions on separate
occasions and the air quality was a factor in the decision.