To: fg3wifeDitto.One of my high school buddies became a
train engineer. He suffers from nightmares and sleep disturbances after
striking cars and trucks resulting in six fatalities and numerous injured folks
including infants. In each case he was cleared (by the in-cab video) as the
vehicles were driven around the crossing arms. Frankly I don't
understand why these folks would prefer silence over a potential injury/fatality
due to the lack of an aural warning.
Re clarissaQuoting a movie? You might want to Watch that movie
again...you got it wrong...oops
Just get some ear plugs for all members of the family. I use them so I
don't hear my spouse's snoring.Of course, you may miss the
alarm in the morning.
I live near Hill AFB. I am used to the jets. If I'm outside, they can be
really noisy, but I knew this would be a problem when I built my house. On the
other hand, I would never have bought or built my house near train tracks. They
are really noisy. You could always do what my husband and I did. We needed to
replace our windows, we put in really good windows that have helped with outside
sound. I feel badly these families are having sound issues, but they to quote
from an Indiana Jones movie, "They Chose Badly."
dcnm - The use of horns at a grade crossing is not something simply decided by
the railroad. It is governed by federal law regarding the pattern and how long
the horn is applied, per 49 CFR Part 222. This states they must apply the horn
for at least 15 seconds, if moving less than 60 mph and for 1/4 mile, if moving
faster than 60 mph. In a quietzone, where these rules are suspended, if there
is a malfunction, the railroads must move to a safe-condition and sound the
horn. On these crossings, there is a white signal directed to the train,
signaling the engineer if the crossing is functional. If not, he is required to
sound the horn, ensuring safety. Based on the article, it sounds like the
sensor is not the primary culprit in this malfunction, but the increased
conductivity of the surrounding ground. These sensors work by detecting changes
in a signal through the rails, based on known environmental conditions. If the
ground has been contaminated, then they will have to replace the surrounding
soil. Given the limited resources the railroad would have in performing such a
large effort, they would have to schedule such work, leading to a spring-time
#3, To address the sound issue. I understand that the rule is that the horn
needs to be blown as a safety precaution. And that is fine, my issue is this.The
regulation is three small horns with a longer one to follow. This crossing is
right between two other crossings in close proximity. More often than not, the
horn begins to blow at the first crossing and continues on through the third
crossing. Not in compliance with the regulation. And obnoxious & loud(which
is what I was referring to in my quote). There have been times I've been
standing with kids at the crossing and the train approaches and when it sees us,
blows that horn so loud kids are covering their ears & screaming it's
loud. I feel that as the complaints roll in, the issue gets worse. I'm
grateful for regulations meant to keep us safe, but that is being abused. It
should be used as a precaution, not a nuisance, which is what it is coming to.
And now, as I type, I see the arms are stuck down yet again. At 8:39 in the
morning. This is a main route for buses and people getting their kids to school.
There have been many instances where school kids can not walk to & from
school because the arms are stuck. Not ok. Fix the part. They blame it on the
salt, but now it is affected with a simple rain storm. We live in Utah, it snows
& rains, and we use salt on roads. It just needs to be fixed, plain &
#2, my main issue, and this wasn't reported on, even though it's what
I said, is that there is a part of the railroad that is broken, and not being
fixed. It, in turn, is causing this ordinance to be broken. ALSO, it is a
hazard. 1500 South is a main, very busy road. This is the main route in and out
of one of the big neighborhoods. Because of this broken part, it is also making
the crossing arms stay stuck down at random times, backing up traffic for
sometimes hours. Think of the emergency responders that use this route. How do
they know that they can rely on this road, when those arms get stuck down?
Imagine someone having a medical emergency & Heaven forbid, dying, because
the emergency responders can't get there? Think of the legal implications
then, with UP knowing the part is broken and not fixing it in a timely matter.
I am quoted in this article, and before you all jump down my throat about how I
should have known that I was moving by a railroad, let me explain. My opinion, I
feel, was misrepresented in this story. #1, some of you are assuming
that we just moved here and should have known better. Most of us have lived here
for over 7 years. Some for over 30. This is not a new neighborhood. There has
been a sound ordinance in affect for at least 5 years, when the Front Runner was
put in. We are use to the train horn blowing, the train is a way of life around
here. Yes, there are some people that are new to the neighborhood, but they also
moved in knowing there was a sound ordinance, a promise that is not being kept.
It was not that they didn't "look around" when buying, a railroad
is hard to miss.Continued below...
To "dcnm" did you not notice the train tracks in the area before you
purchased your house?I lived in the flight path for Hill. I knew it
was there, and I accepted the possibility that at certain times of the year I
would have a lot of air traffic going overhead.You moved near the
train tracks, why can't you accept the risks that came with living near the
Here is the information that Mike Anderson FAILED to include in his report:He made it sound like we were just complaining about a simple short horn. He
also failed to mention that we all knew we were living by the tracks and that we
are upset about how long and loud the horns have been. They have continued
blaring up to a half mile long. And that we live in a quiet zone.Also we
aren't ok waiting until summer for them to fix it because we don't
want to have to deal with this every time it rains or snows. Every time there is
a storm the arms malfunction. He didn't address any of the safety issues we
have due to the malfunction. Now the public's view is we are a bunch
of whining house wives.He should do a clarification for us.
My heart doesn't bleed for these people. They are complaining about noise
that happens intermittently. I live in Kearns. Airport # 2 is three blocks
away, and I'm right under the primary approach for the west runway at the
big airport. I hear airplanes, helocopters, small planes 24/7. I've
learned to live with it.
I can't fault the residients, they are not complaining about the train,
just the constant horn blowing since Dec 19th. Why will it take until late
spring to early summer to repair the gates, 6 months? The mediation
efforts of horn blowing and now slow moving trains presents increased hazards
and backed up auto traffic over that of the failed gates. Let's hope Union
Pacific can find a better solution.
Yes let's force the trains to turn off their horns ......until a family of
six from WX is wiped out by a speeding train that couldn't use his horn!
Are people,really that stupid?
Much like around Hill AFB. People build and buy homes in the flight path and
then complain about the noise the planes make. Boo Hoo.
Horns are a safety device and any law that violates safety is an illegal law,
therefore these so called quiet zones are an infringement and violation of the
OSHA safety standards act. Its like sending fire fighters into building with
street clothes to fights a fire with a garden hose. They were wrong to let these
homes be built and makes them liable.Violating safety standards and
indiviuals rights to noise free and safe environment by allowing developers to
build homes so close to rail roads and other hazards. I'm sure it must be a
nightmare fear for parents that their children might get on these tracks and get
killed. Utah doesn't care about safety and its time they be taken to court
and sued for the gross violation of safety standards and laws endangering the
lives of citizens.Since the cities have violated every safety
standard in OSHA they are liable for all damages and hearing loss and
debilitating torture noise they should buy all the homes and tear them down and
maintain a buffer zone between hazardous industrial noises and make it illegal
to put residential homes within 250 feet of industrial complexes and existing
My husband works as an engineer for U.P. We live next to the same tracks as
these families. No set of tracks can be completely silent without horns being
blown. It's their way of making sure anyone next to the tracks know that
they are coming. I would rather they go without sleep than for my husband to end
up with nightmares because he runs someone over who decided to be on the tracks,
tried to go around the crossing arms because they don't want to wait or
some other stupid reason that we don't understand. My husband has watched a
family on bikes cross over tracks with flashing lights going and the father
coaxing his little boy to hurry and get over the tracks. He was barely missed
before the train went by. It takes the train up to a mile to stop depending on
its speed. Sleep or death? This might seem like an over reaction to some, but
this is how I look at it. I would rather you be without sleep than my husband
replaying the image of killing someone who was on the tracks. Operation
Lifesaver. Look it up.
The trains were there first. That's why the residents in the area paid the
cheap cheap prices for their homes. I lived in a trailor park in Springville.
Every train blew its horn at the beginning of the park and again at the end of
the park. I got used to it. Better to have some annoyed neighbors next to the
tracks than to have a dead parent, child or friend because he failed to look
before he tresspassed on train company property (the railroad crossing) and was
killed. Look nearly day when people fail to look and get hit by Frontrunner,
Trax, and regular rail traffic and get badly hurt or killed. People just
don't look unless a horn is sounded and even then many will ignore it, but
at least they have been warned. Keep the warnings coming, and maybe we can save
this lady's family member from death or injury.
The Woods Cross residents have forgotten that their town name comes from Daniel
Wood and his train Crossing, originally Woods Crossing. The tracks were there
long before any of the homes were built, and it am sure when they
built/purchased those homes they knew there were tracks in the vicinity, and the
horns could be a possibility. Would these same residents be complaining if WX
City stopped plowing streets as to prevent salt from damaging the track censors?
Why do we have sympathy for those whose environments aren't just perfect
i.e. The house built on the beach that floods, or the the cars that can't
get to homes on the hills when it snows. Part of living in a society is
understanding that not every matter needs to be complained about no how much you
might be inconvenienced.