I like Jimmer, he has to twist his mouth to try to look mean.
Another reason a team would offer asset in exchange for first round Jimmer is no
team knows what any other team is going to offer him. If a team wanted Jimmer in
the offseason, they have no way of knowing if Jimmer would have already signed
an extension with A different team.It was widely reported a second
round pick would have gotten Jimmer. Go do your research. Isn't it funny that not a single team wanted to give up a second round
pick to get first round Jimmer
@ CBDeron Williams is a completely different story.He was considered
one of the two best PGs in the league, he was a year and a half from free
agency. They would not have had the right to offer him more money coming
straight from Utah.I will admit that Jimmer is at best an average guard,
but a great scorer, given his PER rankings and when he receives lots of playing
time he scores a lot of points as evidenced by his game in New York.I am
not claiming he is a superstar but he is making millions a year while no one
gets paid to post on these boards.
@SportsFan,Why did the Nets give the Jazz assets when they got Daron
Williams instead of just waiting until Williams was an unrestricted free agent?
Chris BWhy would any team give the Kings a draft pick for Jimmer
when all they have to do is wait until the end of the season to pick him up as
an unrestricted free agent?
"3 years ago everyone swore he would be an NBA starter."That's simply not true. Anti-BYU trolls made those comments. Most of
the real fans understood he'd more likely be a shooter off the bench.
trade deadline came and passed.Being reported that the Kings were
willing to take a 2nd round pick for first round Jimmer.No one was
flashback, i REALLY hope you werent serious with that comment.
When did Kobe and LeBron every play defense? Jimmer lit up the Knicks with
threes and even had a couple of nice drives down the middle where he scored.
The ability is there. It just has to be recognized and put to use by another
The problem is that Jimmer is just not very good at the NBA level. He is too
small, too slow, too weak and just doesn't have a prototypical shooting
guard body.I think he will float around the NBA for 10 to 15
years...but I don't think he will ever average more than 9.0 points a game.
Which is no knock against him...that's just how it is. 3 years ago
everyone swore he would be an NBA starter...but I felt he would have to come off
the bench to be productive.
Whatever else is said....articles about Jimmer attract more interest than any
He has a long , productive career ahead of him. He'll get picked up as a
free agent, not cost a team any picks and they'll play him to his strengths
and not be disappointed.
"Who cares about those stats. It is similar to pointing out a golfer who
leads the tour in % of putts made from 4 feet."I think we have
an early contender for worst analogy of 2014. Let's see . . being among the
most accurate guys in the league when taking, in theory, the most difficult
shots, is equivalent to making the easiest putts to salvage a bogey. Do I even
need to deconstruct that one for you? I literally just giggled."Basketball involves much more than getting hot once in a while for short
periods of time."Are you implying that scoring points is
inconsequential? Plenty of guys have made a very nice living as deadeye shooters
while providing little else. If you're going to be a one-trick pony, having
legit 28-foot range is a pretty good trick. As for the "short periods of
time," when that's all youre given, that's all you can show.
Fredette's percentages for the first half of 2013-4 . . not just a couple
of games . . are very promising. What could he do if he played 25-30 minutes a
game? Why would we assume his numbers would plunge?
@Utefever I'm amazed at how many Ute fans attack the second
anything BYU-related is posted and then they do their absolute best to discredit
everything. this isnt even almost comparable to golf. these stats certainly mean
something. Leading the NBA in 3pt % is definitely a big deal. it is true that
basketball involves much more than getting hot once in a while for short periods
of time, but short periods of time is ALL HE GETS! And he is playing as good as
you can for the minutes he plays. He is only overachieving. What do you expect
him to do, drop 25 a game in 11 minutes?
Who cares about those stats. It is similar to pointing out a golfer who leads
the tour in % of putts made from 4 feet. It really doesn't matter if he is
putting for bogeys more than he is putting for pars and it also doesn't
matter if he can't drive the ball adequately, can't hit his irons
straight and rarely makes the cut. Basketball involves much more than getting
hot once in a while for short periods of time.
@ Chris BIt is obvious you are trying to denigrate Jimmer. We get
that. To answer your question though, the reports I have read is that the Kings
want a 1rst rounder for Jimmer. It was obvious with the new management that
came in they were moving a different direction with Jimmer. Hence why they did
not pick up the option. In doing so they played him less knowing he is gone
after this season. This has hurt his stock. However, after the game against
the Knicks and some other decent showings since they traded Vasquez away he has
been able to show what he can do when given the oppurtunity to play. I will give the Queen's some credit. They don't need to trade
Jimmer as they need a back up point guard and their season is a loss. So it
would make sense to either get a 1rst rounder or some other really good deal for
Jimmer, or just play the season out with a popular player who is playing well.
Some of you are attempting to answer Chris's question when he's not
looking for an answer. He's saying in a passive-aggressive way that
Jimmer's always been overrated. You think he wants a two-sided
conversation? Please.The only honest answer, no matter where you
fall on the Jimmer Fanboy scale, is that if you draft a guy onto a lousy team
with desperate owners and a lame-duck coach, jerk around his PT for three years
and show absolutely no evidence of a master plan, you're begging for
failure. In short, the Kings have killed his trade value by not have a clue what
to do with him.And as for party line about his defense, just stop
already. The echo chamber has convinced many that Jimmer is the worst defender
in the history of history. True or not, did even his biggest fans- ever think he
was going to be better than mediocre on defense? You can't draft a guy who
no-one expected to be a good defender and then say "Well, we can't play
him because of his defense." I suppose he's not a good enough rebounder
@ CB (Mike)He is actually playing more that a lot of players in the NBA.
11 minutes a game is not that bad for a backup which is exactly what he is.I doubt he is in their long term plans, but he is making millions in the NBA
when people on these boards are getting nothing for commenting.
bigcougar,So you think the kings maybe want to keep him, but they
don't want him to play? Come now, I management wanted to keep
him they would tell the coach to play him. The coach will do what management
says.So when the guy doesn't play it says he's not in
Chris B says "clearly" the Kings want to trade Jimmer yet I don't
see any trade talks involving his name. They did trade away Tyreke Evans and
kept Jimmer. They traded away Marcus Thornton (if the rumor today is true) and
kept Jimmer and now we read they're even shopping Isaiah Thomas to anyone
that will take him. I think what we see here is "clearly" the Kings
management don't know what they're doing and have no rhyme or reason
for the trades they're making and for whatever reason they continue to hang
on to Jimmer.I really wish they would trade him to a team that needs
a 3 pt shooter and let him come off the bench to fill that role. I think
that's a good role for him if he gets the chance to do it.
@UteologyOf course a Ute wouldn't consider efficiency important
when it favors Jimmer. It it were the other way around, there is no doubt you
would surely value it more. Morrow has never been considered a good defender. He
has been criticized for his terrible defense more than Jimmer ever has. He is
simply a spot up shooter. But again, 32 minutes a game one season? Your
comparison to Morrow is perfect because of all the minutes Morrow has gotten,
prove that Jimmer should get more minutes as well.
Fredette is the victim of a poor team, lousy coach and discrimination.
Why would teams trade for Fredette when they can just get him as a free agent
later? He'll be a bargain.Or do I misunderstand the NBA's
cougar blue,the Sac town queens are asking too much?What
are they asking, 2 first round picks? Or a first round and a second round?Jimmer was a lottery pick so surely he merits being traded for a first
round pick right?So you must think the Kings are asking for more
than a first round pick?
IN retrospect Jimmer may not have been a first round pick, but hard to believe
no one would want him. He is a professional in every way.
Teams are taking note of Jimmer's shooting accuracy. The problem is the Sac
Town queens are asking to much for him when negotiating. Right now they
don't have much depth at point guard if Jimmer leaves. If Jimmer gets
traded it will more than likely be for another point guard amongst other
considerations.All the Ute haters will always hate. They got torched just
like Arizona on multiple occasions. No need to be sour any more guys.
Great question. In my opinion, there is someone sandbagging it awaiting
Jimmer's free agency to kick in. They will quieitly strike. He will
probably never fare well on a team of individual players, but will fit into a
program that is fundamentally employs a team approach. It is no secret that
many of those who are noticed are self centered and want to showcase their
athleticism. Jimmer approaches the game differently and has made the adjustment
to the one being fed for the shot to taking opportunity when he's open and
doesn't see anyone with a better, more open, shot. I believe we will yet
hear from him but in a team with less selfishness and fewer stars-to-be (in
their own minds).
I still think we will see him end up in OKC. I think they will pick him up when
his contract expires. Why trade anything for him right now when you can get him
for free at the end of the season?
I enjoyed reading all of the lines. I would like to bring up another point.
Jimmer is not just a shooter, he is a pure shooter. How many pure shooters can
you even name in the NBA today? Kobe is at the end of his career. Labron is
really close, if he is not a pure shooter. Durrant is. Can you name any others.
A pure shooter is very rare indeed.
Jimmer is a crowd pleaser somewhat along the lines of Johnnie Football. I
believe that the Jazz would be wise to seek his services. Sacramento is not the
place for him to be. The NBA is a center of political correctness. Red headed
Jimmer stands out like a lit match in the middle of the ocean at midnight.
Jimmer needs to be in Utah, he's the answer to all of our problems, please
Jazz brass bring in the Jimmer.
@Chris B, I see you are still very interested in all things BYU. A curious
Tyler CProvo, UT@Uteology But even if you are going to use
Morrow as a comparison, even he has 4 seasons in his career where he has average
over 20 minutes per game, including one season where he averaged 32 a game! Not
to mention that Jimmer's been more efficient than him as well...with less
minutes.---------------Jimmer is more efficient (16.9)
then Dennis Rodman was (13.6) as well... with less minutes. So what?Efficiency means diddly when you're playing 4 on 5 on defense. Maybe
Morrow played more minutes because he played defense?
Jimmer is a shooter and as such he can have a long and rewarding career. He has
to get out of Sacramento and on a competitive team that needs a shooter and
doesn't care about his defensive liabilities. Korver, Dunleavy and Reddick,
among others, have all made their careers this way. When he becomes a restricted
free agent is when he will have his chance and you will see that other teams
will be interested because of his shooting ability and the fact that the Kings
don't want him so they won't match any offer meaning he will come
Actually, Jimmer could score from the bench, the stands, or even the parking lot
if they would pass him the ball.... I would bet that he could still shoot the
ball from the Marriott center parking lot and swish the nets at the Huntsman
I would not give the Sacremento coaches too much credit for having good reasons
for not playing Fredette more. The win/loss record and team stats strongly
suggest that the kings are not well coached and do not play well as a team.
Maybe if the kings spent more time passing to Fredette when he is open for a 3
instead of throwing up bricks in traffic they might win more.
Don't feel sorry for Jimmer, he'll be ok. How many millions has he
made so far...
@area52Van Horn had a 10 year NBA career averaging 16 point and 7
rebounds a game. He led the Nets in scoring twice and finished 5th in the
league one year. Played on a team that made the conference finals. Not a very
good comparison.Jimmer needs to get traded to a team that can use
him off the bench for some instant offense. He won't be a starting guard
in the league and won't do much with the Kings.
@Uteology But even if you are going to use Morrow as a comparison, even he has 4
seasons in his career where he has average over 20 minutes per game, including
one season where he averaged 32 a game! Not to mention that Jimmer's been
more efficient than him as well...with less minutes.
Actually, Jimmer has been playing the first 6 minutes of the 2nd quarter pretty
regularly now, which has helped him in a couple of ways. First off, he knows
when he will be going in and can prep more effectively than just sitting on the
edge of his chair hoping he'll get to play; Secondly, he is playing with
the 2nd unit and has gotten some good help from a couple of the other Kings.
Depending on the opponent, Jimmer comes in for the first 4-6 minutes of the 4th
quarter, too. I see Jimmer's team first attitude as being the biggest thing
holding him back. He's trying to be a point guard and distribute the ball,
when he just need to fire away...like he did in New York, pulling up off the
dribble on the fast break to shoot a three and then again from 28 feet plus.
However, unless he is traded to a team where they need a shooter, he'll
likely be playing in China or Europe in a couple of years.
Have you heard of Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, Joel Embiid, or
Dante Exum (just to name a few). In case you didn't know this is the most
decorated draft class since the 2003 class. Why would anyone trade their first
round pick this year (all-stars excluded)? Jimmer will be 25 this month, as
I'm sure you know Chris B the NBA is a young mans sport. Every franchise
strives for youth, I agree with you the Kings and Jimmer aren't a good fit,
but like the numbers state he has a better shooting percentage this year than
anyone else behind the arc. He will be in the league for a long time if he can
continue to shoot. I'm excited for him to get out of the Kings hands,
he deserves to be in an organization that knows how to win, as well as utilize
the players they posses. Astute observation Christopher
Chris B,You bring up a really good question. I chatted a little but
with TJ Fredette, Jimmer's brother, at the BYU alumni dinner (prior to the
BYU/University of the Pacific basketball game in Stockton, CA, and he
couldn't answer that question. My own opinion is that the Kings want to
portray more of a "street like/thug" image and Jimmer doesn't fit
that persona. Ranadive, the majority owner of the Kings,stated in the
Sacramento Bee yesterday that he liked Demarcus Cousin's bad boy image and
ran with it even after the previous owners and managers told him to get rid of
the latter. Even though I would be sad to see Fredette leave the Kings, I think
he would be more appreciated by the Jazz or Spurs.
Jimmer has proven that it's impossible to score from the bench. He is far
from being the poorest defender on a team that plays terrible defense, nor the
poorest on the guardline.
@ Chris BThere is a reason this is happening, and my guess is its
something to do with defense, or just the overall athletic ability of Jimmer.
Sac has had 3 coaches since Jimmer has been there and not one of them has played
Jimmer over 15 minutes a game. There is some weakness Jimmer has that 3
professional basketball coaches have seen. I am not sure I can pinpoint it but I
am not as basketball smart as 3 NBA coaches, neither is anyone on these comment
@Chris BI think the answer is simple. Jimmer came out in what was
and still is considered a very weak draft. So viewing him as a typical top-10
pick isn't accurate. And in the same vein, this is considered to be one of
the best draft classes in a decade. Not all first round picks are created equal.
So teams value first-round picks more than usual in this draft. Add in the fact
that Jimmer is at the end of his rookie contract, as opposed to getting a cheap
player locked in for 3-4 years, and it makes neither roster nor financial sense
to trade anything other than maybe a late first-round pick for him. And
that's not a knock on him. You could probably say similar things about 3/4
of the players in this league. Teams just don't want to give up first-round
picks this year unless they're getting some major value out of it. A more
appropriate trade would be one similar to the rumored Andre Miller for Fredette
trade that's been discussed. A young, gifted shooter for a veteran
I don't think this is very complicated. At the time when the Kings had to
make a decision about Jimmer's contract, earlier in the season, they chose
not to pick up the option, which means it's clear he's not in their
plans for the future. While I don't agree with the coach's decision
about playing time, it makes no sense to build around a player who won't be
a King in the future. The answer, then, is simple - he gets no more minutes
because he's not part of their future. Trade him to a team who is willing
to give him 'sharpshooter-minutes', off the bench, and he'll be a
contributor. Who knows, he may even earn a starting role, someday. Time will
sort this one out. In the mean-time, you've got to be impressed with
Jimmer's ability to be resilient.
Anthony Morrow has similar numbers. Who is Anthony Morrow you ask? Exactly!There's a reason Jimmer is not getting Curry's minutes. So
far he has proven he's a below average NBA player. Will he get a chance to
prove himself on another team? We'll see.
Jimmer is a shooting guard in a PG body.In college he dribbled
around ALOT and launched ALOT of 3's. He dominated the ball and
didn't play defense.He is not a big assist guy so that calls
into question his real PG distribution team-improving abilities. Other PGs, who
dominate the ball, are taller and much more explosive and able to get to the rim
at will and so they get the green light to dominate the ball.I was a
big fan in college but realistically I'm not sure the NBA is set up for a
player his size to be jacking up endless threes. Korver used to
flourish here during the regular season shooting threes. Then came the post
season and somebody simply guarded him better at the three point line and he was
mostly shut down because he has no other skill set at all.Those are
pretty remarkable stats Jimmer has been able to maintain while getting limited
minutes. That said I would shocked if all those remained if his minutes went
up.How many NBA offenses have their PG come down and just repeatedly
launch 3's? I'm not sure that works.
How many players on the Jazz roster were once a lottery pick and how many
lottery picks did the Jazz have to give up in order to sign them?
Well I will give him credit.Outside of Damien Lilliard he is the only
former Utah college guard getting playtime.A. Miller has been benched for
Chris B, maybe you should ask the #2 pick overall Keith Van Horn?
@Chris B... I think this article was about Jimmer's numbers and trying to
project what those could be with playing time. I don't recall reading
anything about a trade.
We all agree that Jimmer isn't in the kings plans. Clearly they want to
trade him.So the question is where are all the first round offers
for lottery pick Jimmer?The Kings would jump at the first first
round offer for Jimmer. And since Jimmer is a first round lottery pick, surely
teams should be willing to offer a first round pick in exchange.And
yet why isn't that happening?Thoughts?