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Utah Sports Ruckus: College football in Utah has potential

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  • ldsands Logan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    Utah State has the easiest path to success for the short/medium term (finally!). Utah however has it made for the long term if they can become relevant in that conference (which is not going to be anytime soon). BYU well they'll end up in the BIG 12 or end up going back to the MWC I don't think they're independence will last too much longer giving the "death" of the BCS.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:22 a.m.

    Thanks to BYU

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 19, 2014 1:50 a.m.

    2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
    Ogden, UT

    "I think even most Cougar fans would admit that Utah’s Sugar Bowl trouncing of Alabama was a more impressive victory than any the Cougs had during their national championship season."

    You would think so.

    ---------------

    Actually, beating #18 Oregon State (9-4) was a more impressive victory than any the Cougs had during their NC season.

    Trouncing of a team like Alabama is beyond BYU's comprehension, considering they've never beaten a top 5 team by more than 7 points.

  • Las Vegas Aggie Logan, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    This was very interesting article.
    I'll make my point quick Utah State has the easiest path to the upper tear bowl games, Utah will not be able to get out of the cellar any time soon and BYU has to run the table to get there and for the Aggies they just have to win the MW. The MW will get the upper tear bowl game three out of four years.

    If your not a fan of one of the three schools it's clear the mountain west conference has the easiest path!

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    Conference affiliation does make the path easier to be nationally relevant, especially if you belong to one of the Big 5 Conferences. However, a part of that is that you have to win some games to be relevant. Kudos to the Utes for taking that chance/opportunity to be relevant on the national scale. However, they will have to begin being competitive in the PAC 10+2. As the writer states they are going to have to come up with a creative way to attract the needed athletes. I think the jury is still out on the Cougars. I do not think they will be able to "consistently" attract the level of school needed to play them to be nationally relevant again. Tough to get 12 Big 5 schools on your schedule every year, especially when you are good enough to be a "trap" game. Good luck to both schools, different paths, so far nearly the same results.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    The whole big fish/small fish discussion seems a bit ironic to me.

    I'm hopeful that Utah will figure out a way to do well in the PAC-12 and am glad they're a member of the conference. That said, I can't understand why some Utah fans are quick to want everyone to believe that even middle or bottom of the pack PAC-12 teams are "bigger fish" than even the champions of "small fish" conferences.

    That same logic was used (and can continue to be used) to demean Utah's undefeated seasons of a few year back when they were in a "small fish" conference. I didn't buy the argument when Utah was in a small fish conference and don't buy it now when Utah is in a big fish conference.

    Not sure why other fans who also thought it was a bogus argument in 2006 and 2009 think it is true now.

    There's upside in all three programs as well as substantial risk. The only sure thing is that the teams in Provo and SLC will continue to be relevant to their, and each other's, fan base.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    bemsart(old but not stupid)

    It appears that liberal/socialist philosophy has insinuated itself into Zion. Does this make Utah a "hand-out" instead of a "have-not?"

    The Pac 12 made a decision they were better off inviting Utah and Colorado. We added enough value that they wanted to increase the overall value of the Pac 12 schools.

    The Pac 12 and Big 12 have had multiple opportunites to run the same analysis on byU.

    Each and every time its been decided that byu does NOT add enough value to justify us(or the big 12) inviting byu.

    Most byu fans want to be in a big boy conference. Just admit it.

    How does that feel knowing that each and every day that goes by, we(along with the big 12) are essentially telling byu "no" over and over and over and over?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    @Old,

    "I'd suggest elite athletes will choose prestigious programs from "Southern" schools almost every time"

    "What do you think about that"

    I've never once suggested anything to the contrary - programs like USC, Florida, AL, LSU...will out-recruit any Utah school 99% of the time.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 18, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Christopher

    I don't know if BYU will become a "have-not" or not....

    I will concede that U of U athletics--because of their PAC-12 affiliation--will benefit in a major way financially from the principle of income redistribution from those in the conference who pull more than their weight.

    It appears that liberal/socialist philosophy has insinuated itself into Zion. Does this make Utah a "hand-out" instead of a "have-not?"

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Chris (Ogden?)

    Here's a lesson on clear thinking:

    Being at the bottom of a top-tier conference does not bestow top-tier status. Being in the top 3 (or 5) programs in an elite conference on a consistent basis is the road to elite status.

    The bad news, if you think about it, is that BYU and particularly Utah have a long-term disadvantage compared to the much better weather found in the Southeast, Southwest, and Pacific West regions of the country. Years ago I heard an ESPN commentator making this point. Why would Florida, Texas, or California kids want to go to the snow/ice country, if they get offered by GA, FL, AL, LSU, TX, USC, UCLA, ASU, etc.?

    Unless BYU's "Christian values" have some influence, I'd suggest elite athletes will choose prestigious programs from "Southern" schools almost every time.

    What do you think about that?

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    "It seems reasonable to say that BYU, in its current situation, appears to be in serious jeopardy of becoming a “have-not,” second-tier football program.

    LOL

    The Cougars have been unable to get into a nationally relevant conference

    LOL,

    have been unable to secure any impressive bowl affiliations

    LOL!

    Thus, if I had to choose, I would rather be Utah than BYU right now because regardless of on-field success or failure, the Utes’ future as a top-tier college sports university seems to be secure."

    Nice to see some people who can think clearly.

  • KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    USU being the most relevant because they are competing for mwc championsips?

    LOL.

    The funny thing about that whole big fish little fish thing is shouldn't every "fish" want to be as big as they can? Isn't that the goal, to be as big as possible?

    A "small fish in a big Pac 12 pond" is still BIGGER than a "big fish in a small WAC pond"

    Need proof?

    See the Pac 12's 14-1 record against the WAC(including byu) last year.

    Recruiting?

    EVERY pac 12 team beat EVERY wac team in recruiting.

    A small Pac 12 team is still bigger than a "big" WAC team.

    And isnt' the goal to be as big as possible?

    You don't get any bigger just because the other fish in your pond are tiny, you just think you are bigger.

    Fans who think like that must think Fresno was a bigger fish than Alabama last year since Fresno was the biggest fish in their pond and Alabama wasn't the biggest fish in their pond last year.

    LOL!

    Great "logic" there guys

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    "The fact is, however, since Utah sold-out..."

    That the best you got?

    Name me a single non-power conference team in the entire country other than Notre Dame that wouldn't like to be in a power conference.

    There are none. byu and usu would ask "how high" if the Pac 12 or Big 12 called and told them to jump.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    "I think even most Cougar fans would admit that Utah’s Sugar Bowl trouncing of Alabama was a more impressive victory than any the Cougs had during their national championship season."

    You would think so.