Tough draw for Grantsville! Especially for a 1 seed!
If Gabe Colosimo did break his leg as another poster stated, Grantsville's
draw appears to be as good as can be hoped for given there is no apparent soft
opponent in Region 9.
How are Richfield, North Sanpete, and Juab going to be able compete with these
size of schools? This Class 3A classification is a little screwed up in my
wow tough draw for manti. how they going to compete against the large schools
Their will always be teams/schools that will complain about school size, being
fair/unfair. The only real way to help that is to divide into 10 classifications
with 10 teams in each class. And that wont happen...Just deal with it and enjoy
the experience. Dont make it worse by complaining. Nuff said.
@ TheShortBus - The real question is how is Manti even in 2A? They are double
the size of most of the other 2A schools.
Hey John Roberts; A lot better question than yours would be how do schools like
Parowan, Enterprise and Kanab compete with schools like Richfield and the turn
around and play the state tourney in Richfield?? Better question or not?
@ Carver - Richfield is not even in 2A basketball this year. Richfield (SVC) is
an excellent place for the state tourney.
Size is overrated and is an excuse to some schools. Sure, if it is 1000 to 100,
not fair. But many 1A basketball teams with an enrollment of 100 do consistently
beat 2A teams with enrollments 3, 4 to 5 times bigger. Just being twice the size
doesn't really make that much of a difference. Only 5 can be on the
court...Just Play Ball
@ Bulldog26My point being; Richfield is up and down from 3A to 2A.
So they have been in 2A; and now they are in the same boat as the smaller
schools in 2A as they all had to compete against them at SVC. Three times as big
as a lot of the smaller schools in 2A.
@1A-all the way - Just curious, who are the schools that you reference? @carver - Point taken. I agree 100% with you on Richfield and Manti.
Hey...if you have a Wal-Mart, probably too big for 2A! :)
Name a state title Richfield has ever won playing at the SVC in Richfield? It
has not been a kind location for the Wildcats. We've won a few "on the
road" but never on the SVC....Just saying' not a valid point.The size thing is what it is, b ut I find it interesting that in a time where
we talk about school costs, transportation costs, budgets etc....that the only
schools that matter when it comes to these issues live on the Wasatch Front.
Last year in 2A Richfield had an entire REGION closer to them than some of the
people in their region. Also there is a difference when playing 150 to 450 than
450 to 1200. I agree that basketball is just "5 on 5" but try football
or fielding girls soccer, tennis, volleyball AND cross country in the Fall. It
makes a huge difference.
Panguitch this year is 3-0 against 2A schools and above .500 against them the
last 4-5 yearsMonticello this year is 3-1 against 2A schools this year,
and a above .500 the last couple yearsRich is 5-1 against 2A and 3A this
year and above .500 the last few yearsBryce Valley is 2-3 against bigger
schools this year and above .500 the last 5-6 years.and a few other
compete, and win year in and year out against bigger schools.The
same thing happens with 2A vs 3A
@1A-all the way - Thanks for the information. Greatly appreciated.Just a couple of thoughts...Panguitch could probably compete at the 2A level
in basketball and baseball. They probably aren't much different in size
than the smaller 2A schools. I assume they are one of the larger 1A schools.As for Monticello, they have bounced in and out of 2A over the years.
Like Panguitch, they are one of those teams right on the bubble, but definitely
a larger 1A school.As for Rich, they are just amazing! With the size
of school and the small student population, they are very successful. Something
good going on there for sure.
@Bulldog26 -- Just how big do you think Panguitch is? I know a lot of people
think that the enrollment at Panguitch High School is bigger than what it is,
but they average about 32 students a class. This year's graduating class
has 24 students. The UHSAA uses 10-12 grade numbers. Based upon these facts,
Panguitch has less than 100 students in their school. With the 2A cutoff being
at 159, Panguitch is well below the "bubble." Check you facts before
you comment. Saying a team is on the bubble just because they are competitive
is false and misleading. What is the average class size of those 2a teams
Panguitch beat? Specifically, North Sevier, Parowan, and Enterprise. While you
at it, what is the average class size of Gunnison?
@ Bulldog26"They (Panguitch) probably aren't much different
in size than the smaller 2a schools." Really? Where did you pull those
numbers from? I know that the graduating class this year has around 25 seniors.
Average class size around 30. That puts their enrollment less than 100. I
guess you assume that the enrollment at Panguitch is larger because they have 10
motels and a stop light. You continue to bounce around on these articles
providing comments with no facts.
@Lifelong 1A fan - I was in no way trying to be negative towards Panguitch. They
have a tremendous reputation of always competing in all sports. I also re-read
my post and I did not quote any hard numbers, I only made some assumptions. The
numbers that I have found show an enrollment of around 130 students. I stand
corrected in that they are smaller that I had thought. Again, it was never
intended as an insult or to be negative in any way.As a point of
reference the enrollment at San Juan is approximately 400, N. Sevier is 325, and
Parowan is 325. Gunnison is currently around 325, with an average class size
around 80-90 students.
@I know you - Again, there was nothing negative that intended at all in my
assumptions of the size of Panguitch. I assumed that their enrollment was bigger
than it currently is. My apologies. Again, they are a great school that has a
great tradition of winning in all sports.I do take offense to your
last statement. Comments and opinions that are shared are just that, comments
and opinions. I certainly do not purposely try to mis-lead or share false
information. Yes, I do like to share my opinions and try to keep them as factual
as I can. If I am wrong, I will gladly eat some crow and go on. Please
understand it is not in any way intended to be negative or demeaning. If it is
taken that way, it is certainly not mean to be so.
My predictions for the 2A play-in games: (Winners in parentheses) Emery (15-6) vs. Rockwell (11-11) (Emery)South Summit (17-4)
vs. Beaver (13-7) (South Summit)North Summit (12-10) vs. Enterprise
(15-7) (North Suumit)Merit Academy (11-5) vs. Grand (11-9) (Grand)Lower bracketManti (7-13) vs. Parowan (15-6)
(Manti)South Sevier (9-12) vs. L. Christian (17-7) (South Sevier)Rowland Hall (8-10) vs. Wasatch Academy (22-1)(Wasatch)Delta (9-10) vs.
Gunnison (15-4) (Gunnison)
Bulldog 26, are you really talking size of schools right now? Let's see
Gunnison played in the state championship in basketball last year and 15-4 this
year, and your big complaint is against Manti? For many years Manti was the
smallest school in 2A and we competed and didn't complain at all. We played
Lehi for the state championship one year, who was more than double our size. The
only ones who have any right to complain, is a North Sanpete who has to compete
in the 3A which is a much bigger disparity! I do believe however
that they should keep the the extra 3A division in all sports and not just
football. Personally I'd rather compete against the best possible schools.
It just doesn't make sense why they'd do it for just 1 sport, it
can't be that hard to keep the extra classification for all sports.And Bulldog 26 you don't make Gunnison look good at all by
complaining about the size. What you should be complaining about is having to
play a private school that can openly recruit! That's why you won't
win a title this year, not because of Manti!
@CTJ Fan - Just a couple points of clarification. First, I only suggested that
Manti and Richfield should be in 3A because of their size. I never said that was
the reason why Gunnison wasn't winning state titles. Currently both of
those schools are right around 600 students. Gunnison, in comparison, is about
325. Secondly, if you have seen some of my other posts I do have some very
strong opinions about private schools, but that is for another post.For my information, what years are you talking about when Manti was the
smallest school in the 2A clasification?
@ Rocketman 1986Thanks for all the support for region 13.
I sure wish we were back in 3A or maybe even 2A where our coach could maybe
compete. Going 0-21...yippeee.
@ carver - Here is my rationale for the upsets: Enterprise was
playing very well until the last three games of the season. Yes, they did beat
Parowan very easily. But losses against Beaver and Delta seemed to show some
slow down. If the Braves defense can stop, or even slow down Prisbrey,
Enterprise will struggle. If he does have a game, North Summit's season
will be over.As for the Parowan game, if anyone has big guys that
can match-up with them it is Manti. That one comes down to front court play and
whoever wins the paint. I do think it will be a battle either way.South Summit will easily handle Beaver. I think that one is a clear cut
game.I am a little biased towards Region 16, but I could also see
Region 13 playing strong.
I think the SS Rams will play the spoiler in the tournament. One of the top five
coaches in the state plus the tradition, which counts for a lot at state. They
could very well meet Wasatch Academy again in the final. Parsons has held his
cards close to his chest and I am sure will have a great strategy against all
@JD Brooks - Good to have you back! I knew you would come out of retirement to
support your Rams.
@ JD Brooks - I predicted that S. Sevier would win their opening rounds game
over Layton Christian. Can they do it?
@Rocketman1986 Thanks for the motivation for region 13. And your point
isnt very good, you say that enterprise hasnt been playing good as of late, but
what about gunnison? Also north summit last lost was to summit academy who didnt
even make the tournament. Ya beaver did trip enterprise up and then they came
out and blew out parowan for the region, and then there game against delta was a
throw away game.
they played in the preseason and Layton Christian won by over 10 if I remember
correctly. SS plays a more disciplined brand of basketball which is something
that Layton Christian struggles with at times. I say SS by 5.
@KD35 - Nothing negative towards Region 13, just a Region 16 fan. Enterprise
will go as far as Prisbrey can take them. North Summit is a very fast, streaky
team who can play some great defense. This is no knock on Enterprise, I just see
the Braves as a scary team. I agree they had a great win against Parowan, but
losses against Beaver and Delta have shown that their is a chink in their
armor.South Summit will easily handles Beaver. The interesting game
will be the Parowan / Manti game. That one will be a battle of the big men.As for Gunnison, they will have to be on their "A" game against
Delta. They have struggled later in the season, but have some great pressure
wins against Manti in the last two weeks. They will have to show up for sure in
the play-in game or their season may be over.
@JD Books- Very accurate insight. Will be a good match of styles.
Just some quick follow-up on my predictions:My predictions for the
2A play-in games: (Winners in parentheses)Emery (15-6) vs. Rockwell
(11-11) (Emery)The Spartans showed up and easily won. They looked good!South Summit (17-4) vs. Beaver (13-7) (South Summit)The Beavers gave
them everything they wanted, but ran out of gas. Not sure the Wildcats get past
the Spartans.North Summit (12-10) vs. Enterprise (15-7) (North Suumit)Enterprise came to play!Merit Academy (11-5) vs. Grand (11-9) (Grand)The Red Devils had them by as much as 15 and couldn't close the deal.Lower bracketManti (7-13) vs. Parowan (15-6) (Manti)Templars were up 6 with 1:20 to go and found a way to lose.South Sevier
(9-12) vs. L. Christian (17-7) (South Sevier)Rams came to play.Rowland Hall (8-10) vs. Wasatch Academy (22-1)(Wasatch)Wasatch was scary
good! They are fun to watch!Delta (9-10) vs. Gunnison (15-4) (Gunnison)Started very good for Delta, but the Bulldogs got them in the end.
yep I knew it. first round and out. come on uhsa Manti is suppose to be in the
championship every year in every sport. you can't treat us like that. do
something next year so we can compete.
Ha, ha! The faces change, but not the names. I predict SS will make
it to the final game against Wasatch Academy, and then abruptly stop playing in
the third quarter and complain that "it's too hard."Seriously, of all the teams to protest one team's dominance, it is not
South Sevier. They're finally living in a world where they are not the sure
thing, and they whine about it.
South Sevier will be down a bit for a couple of years but their younger grades
have won every tournament they have played in since fifth grade. They won't
be down long.
Go Olympus Titans!!
Never thought I would see so many comments regarding the relative strengths of
So many complaints/complainers. Play your best wherever you're placed. No
one wins by complaining. Let the kids go out and have fun and play their
hardest. Take Emery for example. They have been a declining enrollment school
for many years. They competed against Lehi(then the largest Utah school, placed
in 5A the next realignment), Salem Hills(the next year placed in 4A), and the
now non-existent Granite(with the enrollment numbers would be the top in
today's 4A) in their region to name a few. Year after year they competed in
3A with schools close to two times their enrollment or more and now placed where
their declining numbers should be 2A. The cutoff has to be somewhere so some
schools will be at the top and others at the bottom. Every school for the
2013-2015 was placed where they needed to be. If they don't do well it is
because they don't have the skills to compete not because they don't
have the enrollment numbers. The UHSAA is improving every time. Will it ever
satisfy everyone? No but you can learn to do and play your best in spite of it.
To many of you readers/commenters- I apologize bc I don't know really
anything about 1A-3A ball. Bountiful is way better than any other
team in 4A. Something crazy would have to happen for them to lose. The 5A tournament is gonna be the most competitive one Utah has seen in 5A in
a long time. Any 5 teams could win -with 2-4 D-1 players on each team. LP (3) AF
(3) Alta (2) Davis (2) PG (2)It's hard to bet against players
like Haws and. Jackson at LP. But AF, Alta, Davis, and PG will give'em a
run for their money.
@Landon FI agree with most of your post, play ball and take your
lumps when you lose,celebrate when you win. I will disagree with this point
though, that all schools currently placed where they should be. No school should
compete in two different classifications, unless it's the 1A schools who
play football and want to play baseball, since 1A's baseball season is in
the fall. That should be the only exception.
I don't think anyone will read this considering no one has commented on
this thread since I did yesterday. For those siting enrollment numbers, the
UHSAA doesn't use total enrollment, they use the top three classes, Soph.,
Jr., Sen. So neither Manti (439) or Richfield (506) are around 600 kids as far
as the way classifications are decided. On the flip side though Gunnison (252)
is significantly lower too. All these numbers are from the USOE's latest
enrollment figures. I couldn't find any numbers on the private schools, but
here are the rest of 2A.Manti 439Emery 426Delta 422ALA 388Summit Academy 344Grand 336S.Summit 330San Juan
304Merit Academy 300S.Sevier 298Maeser Prep 279Beaver
261Gunnison 252Rockwell 252Millard 221N.Summit 199N.Sevier 191Parowan 183Enterprise 181Kanab 177
Who will be in the semi finals in the 1A tournament?
I wonder if anyone other than the UHSAA's pay site be able to stream the 1A
games over the internet. UHSAA's pay site was the only place I could find
the 3A state championship games played in Cedar City last week. Shame.
I understand that Deseret Digital subleased the 1A tournament to national pay
company that no one will use when there are plenty of business's that would
sponsor these teams. It will get fixed next year I think and this year everyone
down south can watch for free on their TV which is not fair for the North.
Anyway...I have Semi's as Rich, Panguich, Tabiona, and
DuchesneRich fans can listen to their favorite radio man on that
station play by play
Agree with your asessment, Garden City. The only question mark for me is
whether Monticello can step up and get Tabiona, I've seen them both, and
its possible.Maybe now your Rebels will win one, they are definitely
good enough, IMHO, and as long as they aren't playing us, we'll be
cheering for them.The REAL question is, how on earth is it that the
region 20 and region 17 top seeds always play each other, as in 11 out of the
last 13 years? Not very random, is it?
Can you guys not worry so much about 1A wow
Not so fast region 17 fans. You are forgetting about Piute. This is not the
same Piute team that faced Rich early in the season at the 1A preview. You
would be making a mistake if you don't think Piute will make it to the
semi-finals. In fact, I will pick Piute to make it to the championship game on
the bottom side of the bracket.
Good luck Piute. Coach Gines had Tabby beating Rich in Rich. No one in the South
can touch Rich. He will out coach Piute and have his team more prepared than
anyone else in the tournament. Tabby is always a tournament tough team. Again
Bummer that 17/20 meet the first day. Really good teams either way it works out
will have to head to the losers side. Piute coach looked like he was trying to
lose that Pang game in the last few minutes. Handled poorly. I would have to
agree will get out coached the first day unless Tabby for some reason goes stone
cold. If it's close at the end, Gines will get the win. Any of the 17/20
match ups could go either way if someone does not come to play including Bryce
Valley/Rich the first day. Bryce has won it all with worse teams. They have a
tournament face on in recent years and always believe they can be the
The U of U is the worst venue for high school tournaments. They don't have
anywhere to park within several miles of the arena and they are playing games
during college classes. I know it's a stretch to expect logical thinking
from the UHSAA, but it's not hard to figure that the U of U is the worst
venue in the state to hold this tourney.
It is to bad that Region 17 and Region 20 have to match up against each other
every year in the first round of the tourney. But this season I don't think
any one can argue that Region 17 has the clear advantage having won all of the
head to head match up this year. Rich , Duchesne and Tabiona look to be headed
to the Semi's. Should be a fun tourney and some real competitive first
round games. Hopefully Rich can get through the Semi's this season.
I thought Manila would have a better showing against Wayne before all of us
continue to spout off I guess about region 17 and 20 match ups! Looks like it
could all be a barn burner with all the match ups that first day. Manila has
been a struggling program but I honestly thought would put up a better fight.
Wayne has been all over the map and will play pang again the first day. I think
they have beaten Piute who almost beat Pang the other day. Who knows?? 1A ball
as usual without Wasatch Academy all world team. This will be a great
tournament and you know there is going to be some upsets.
Where is the 1A live streaming for the boys state basketball tournament?
@brianwardenator:The Uhsaa sold us all down the river. You have to
pay the Nat'l H.S Federation $10 a day, or $15 a month, or $50 for 4
months, or $90 a year for access to the videos.We can watch College
ball for free, but not HS.Isn't it time we stood up to the
Uhsaa and let them know they work for us?
Please tell me someone fat fingered the FG attempts for Monticello when they
entered them for the semi-final game vs. Duchesne. The box score says they were
22 of 98.
Just reading through all these region 17 and "Rich/Duchesne/Tabiona"
comments. You guys underestimate region 20 every year. I like how you hammered
on the better coaching or region 17, when coaching is exactly what proved the
factor in panguitch beating rich and Piute putting up a much better game against
Monticello than Duchesne could muster. I do have to say that I love the rivalry
though. It's always exciting to watch our regions teams match up in
state.I do have to echo the thought of others that I'm getting
tired of seeing region 20 and region 17 number 1 teams matching up in the semis.
That should be the state championship game every year. Lets start placing them
in opposite sides of the bracket so we can see the due rewards of the matchup be
for that 1st and 2nd place matchup!
@ plyxplyThere is a train that drops you off right in front of the
JMHC, and that train can easily be accessed from just about anywhere in the
valley. Parking can be a hassle, but there are solutions to the problem....