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  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    Crow

    It's laughable how you disparage the MWC, and by extension, the WAC, since Utah's entire resume of meaningful accomplishments occurred before the Utes joined the PAC 12.

    What you're really saying is that the only reason the Utes accomplished anything before joining the PAC is because of the weak competition they faced in the MWC and WAC.

    Who cares how many teams the PAC gets into the tournament? If the Utes aren't one of them, you're just as pathetic as a bottom dweller of any other conference?

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Utahs program was a dumpster fire due to Giac and I cant remember the other coaches name he was that bad. Dave Rose coached in the MWC and wcc not the PAC big difference in competition. Something byu fans will never understand. Utah unlike byu is a known entity in basketball even now the Vegas braketologist have Utah as a 12 seed in the NCAA tourney. Lunardi said that he could see Utah sqeeking in if they finished strong and had a deep run in the PAC12 tourney like 2013 when they made it to the Semi Finals.

    Most experts are saying byu is no longer a bubble team and would have to win their conference tourney to get in. ESPN is showing that the best team in the wcc Gonzaga is slipping and were moved from a 7 to an 8 seed. ESPN and many experts are showing the PAC with 6 teams and the wcc 1 team.

    Again Utah is on the rise byu is on the decline even in the wcc and their most talented team in decades they will not make the NCAA tourney.

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 18, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    Crow

    "Don't worry that [the Utes winning an NCAA tourney game] is about to change."

    It's been awhile, so maybe Utah fans aren't aware of the fact that U actually have to be invited to the Big Dance in order to win an NCAA tourney game. Just like bowl season, the Utes will once again be on the outside looking in.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Crow

    "Don't worry that is about to change. Utah is recruiting the talent they need to compete in the PAC..."

    Utah fans have been saying the same thing since Majerus left.

    It took Dave Rose ONE season to turn BYU's program around and get back into the NCAA tournament.

    It's been THREE seasons since coach k took over at Utah with still no NCAA tourney in sight.

    Most experts are projecting BYU has a bubble team. For example, chances of making the NCAAs according to TeamRankings:

    BYU - 64%
    Utah - 7%

    btw, please explain how a team that made it to the NIT semi-finals last season, and is projected to be in the NCAA tourney this season is "on the decline"... only in that crimson bubble on the hill.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @ No playoff for U
    It's been a decade since the Utes won an NCAA tourney game.

    Dont worry that is about to change. Utah is recruiting the talent they need to compete in the PAC and they have a coach that not only turned around the program around but in a rebuilding year beat # 25 UCLA and has kept competative with the teams in the PAC. Utah was picked to finish last in the PAC and they are in the middle and where they are positioned in the PAC standings they would not meet UA until the Semi Final Round of the PAC tourney.

    Utah is on the rise where as byu is on the decline. After all they cant compete in the wcc and lose to the bottom feeders of the conference.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    The Utes are forced to crow about their conference because the Utes themselves haven't done anything worth crowing about.

    It's been a decade since the Utes won an NCAA tourney game.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    UU

    Small sample size skewed by the fact that all of Utah's WCC games have been played at home.

    When was the last time the Utes beat a WCC or MWC team on the road?

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    @old your right a lot of byu fans posting mid major comments trying to make themselves feel better that they can't compete in the 9th best conference and have to try to put down a rebuilding Utah team

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    Pac 12 has 6 teams dancing in latest projection

    Wcc? 1

    I love our Pac 12 membership!

    Anyone know last time the WCC had half the conference go dancing?

    LOL - NEVER!

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    @fonefishin Utah played several quality teams after all they play in the PAC. Utah beat #25 UCLA and only lost to UA by 9 points at there house. The difference between Utah and byu is Utah plays defense and hits their free throws. They would not get blown out. Only byu gets blown out by their competition.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    @gonefishin just think one of those 9 so called high school wins was over the #2 team from the 9th best conference. You byu fans can't have it both ways. The RPI has the PAC as the 3rd best conference so it must be true. The only conference that is overrated is the wcc how does the #2 team lose to the bottom feeders of the conference and by double digits.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 17, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    Gone fishin

    First of all, I said SOME of the best teams in the nation, and who said I was only speaking of basketball. The Pac-12 has some of the best teams in the nation, in basketball, football, baseball, and a myriad of other sports, that's why the Pac-12 has more NCAA championships than any other conference. So again by objectivity, my statement is correct.

    As for your claim the Pac-12 is over-rated well, considering that most places have them ranked as the 3rd of 4th best conference in the nation, I'll take that.

    Your statement that Utah would be below .500 with their weak schedule is objectively false. The Utes only one game under .500 in the 3rd-4th toughest conference in the nation, and nobody in the Pac-12 or any other decent league for that matter schedules a tougher OOC schedule that in conference.

    As for Utah not getting 20 wins, let me take you back to your statement before the Utah-BYU basketball game:

    "It will be disappointing for the Utah players to NEVER have beaten BYU during their time on the hill. How sad

    Somehow, I just don't put much stock in your predictions.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Feb. 17, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    Pocy,"
    "I love watching Utah compete against some of the best teams in the nation"
    Just so you know the best teams in the nation are NOT in the pac. Check the rankings. Pac 2 - WCC 1. The pac is way over-rated this year so the few wins u have are not as credible as you might think.
    Let's not forget that there are still 5 games to go. The utes will not make it 20 20 mins this year and if you take away the 9 high schools wins they have then their record would be below .500 for sure.
    Motor, If the utes would have the guts to schedule quality teams then we would see some blowout loses.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    Look,

    I'm a PAC-12 fan, but let's not kid ourselves. The PAC-12 hasn't had any team in the final four since UCLA's 2006-2009 appearances. Before that, it was Arizona in 2001. But the following conferences have had teams in the final four over that span. Missouri Valley (2013), Colonial (2011, 2006), Horizon (2011, 2010), Conference USA (2008, 2005, 2003). Are these conferences better than the PAC? No. Is the WCC better than the PAC? No, but to say that any team from the PAC (Especially Utah) would go to any of these conferences (including the WCC) and would dominate is just flat out wrong. I give props to the WCC, not because BYU is in it, but because Gonzaga and St. Mary's have been steadily decent over the last decade. More than I can say for Utah, and more than I can say for BYU, and certainly more than I can say for ASU.

    It's time to join together and start showing the respect that everyone deserves. Utah is not a terrible team, neither is BYU. The PAC, the WCC, and any other conference are not up and down terrible. Any team can beat any other team on any given day.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Isnt' (sic) it funny that these byu fans come making comments as if they had something to brag about?"

    What is it exactly you do on BYU articles?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Max-was-right

    "BYU's embossing loss------utah"

    That's funny, where did you emboss it?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    Cincyred

    I don't know your definition of "bottom of the barrel", but Utah is in 7th place in the Pac-12, that is up 5 spots from last year, an improvement you recognized, thank you.

    Every Utah fan I know wanted to be in the Pac-12. It gives Utah the best opportunity for growth. Anyone who thought we would step in and dominate is crazy, but Utah has made a lot of progress already. Any thought that someone wouldn't want their team to play in the best league/conference is crazy talk. I don't think there are many baseball players who don't want to make the show, or CFL football players who don't want the NFL, or world class athletes who don't want the Olympics. Though most don't go on to star, have a great career, or they lose in the Olympics, does that mean it wasn't worth it?

    I love watching Utah compete against some of the best teams in the nation. I wish they would win more, and I have confidence will. But, watching them compete and work at is really a lot of fun, and that's what this is about.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    My Perspective
    There is a world of difference between Mount St. Marys and St. Mary's College (3rd in WCC).

    Hope you can keep up.

    Crow
    BYU may be a mid-major, but most of the Ute fans posting here are mid-major fans.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    How are Utah fans beating their chests? This year has been your best year in the last several and you're still bottom of the barrel in the Pac. BYU's worst year still is as good as Utah's best. By no means am I saying BYU is great because they are far from it this year. I think it's a little crazy to say that you would blow away the WCC conference. Utah has made great improvements but if they had played a semi decent non-conference schedule they would have quite a few less wins. Let's quit with the Pac 12 card. You wanted that membership and you got it. Now is the time to stop using that as a crutch when your team isn't competing. I don't hear Washington State complaining.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    BYU's embossing loss------utah

  • scooter88845 Riverton, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    To all you ute fans. The mark of a good team is its ability to win on the road. Anyone can beat anyone at home, however, it takes a good team to win on the road. Yes, you beat some teams at home. But who have you beat on the road? Oh yeah, powerhouse USC. One game. Two games in 3 years on the road in the PAC 12. Nuh said.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 17, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Man,

    Crow has been on a roll these last 2 days.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Gone fishin

    "Please remind us how the utes did against powerhouse WSU in Pullman!
    U can't even beat WSU how do you think you would dominate the WCC? Pure folly!
    It is interesting how you think though."

    Well done, you pointed out the one big fail on Utah's schedule this year. Utah's worst shooting performance of the year mind you. Go find any team in the country outside of the top 10 that doesn't have at least one embarrassing loss... it's not easy. And we certainly know BYU has more than one of them.

    It's also interesting that you failed to note how Utah did in the payback game. You and your friends are doing a miserable job of trying to paint Utah into a picture that looks worse than the picture your cougars live in.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Feb. 17, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    Crow,
    Please remind us how the utes did against powerhouse WSU in Pullman!
    U can't even beat WSU how do you think you would dominate the WCC? Pure folly!
    It is interesting how you think though.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    I really don't understand what byu faithful are yapping about. byu barely beats Mount St Marys Saturday and suddenly, their blow out loss to Utah never happened. Seriously?? byu isn't in the Pac-12 and to attempt to draw conclusions between the wcc and the Pac-12 is sheer folly.

    Then, worf the rocket scientist claims "The utes wouldn't be competitive in the MWC, or WCC, either." Really, worf, based on what? You talk about the wcc like it's the bread and butter of the NCAA tournament. I refuse to believe that you people are happy about playing who cares schools in a no name conference in gymnasiums that local high schools would be embarrassed to have.

    To the point of the article, UCLA will go deep in the tournament so the Utah loss Saturday is no surprise. Focus on the final games and finish strong going into the Pac-12 tournament. Then, make some more noise.

    Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    Isnt' it funny that these byu fans come making comments as if they had something to brag about?

    In the height of byu basketball of the last 30 years, and with player of the year Jimmer, they still managed only a single sweet 16 trip.

    LOL

    Your best player ever perhaps(or top 3 for sure) had a 3-4 record in the big dance in his career.

    LOL

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    @worf and Joe put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig. Place byu in the wcc and their still in the 9th best conference in the NCAA. Utah is in the PAC where unlike the wcc it's difficult to win on the road.

    If Utah was in the wcc they would dominate after all we destroyed the so called 2nd best team in the wcc by 17. The game was not even close. Losing to Portland pacific loyal marmot and Pepperdine really shows what type of team byu really is. Again you failed against Utah on the field and on the court. Go hang out with the other midmajors where you belong.

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 7:22 p.m.

    Worf

    Pac12 winning percentage
    Utah .455
    Byu .333

    WCC winning percentage
    Utah 1.000
    Byu .667

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    The utes wouldn't be competitive in the MWC, or WCC, either.

    But there has been marked improvement.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Hey at least we are in the pac12! There is always next year. I hate to see what AZ does at the Huntsman.