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Published: Sunday, Feb. 16 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

People leaving the workforce that were only there for insurance are not causing job loss. Maybe we need a single payer system that would free the concept of employment from health care provision entirely. That would free employers and employees up from servitude due to health insurance.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Conservatives tout having a stay at home parent (well, usually a mom when they advocate it), and this would allow more families to get by with one working parent...but they consider that a bad thing.

People in their lower 60s who have declining health and aren't yet old enough for Medicare, some of them have to work just to afford their diabetes medication or whatever they need...conservatives consider this a good thing.

Can you imagine what the GOP reaction would be if Obama's healthcare bill was said to need 2 million more people to enter the workforce (or 2 million more jobs added, perhaps some people would need second jobs) to get by? Would that be considered a good thing because it's the reverse of this effect they call harmful?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

So Charles did get the memo that Obamacare is the message in 2014.

Small problem Charles. Your rant here is about a prediction at best, a benefit to those who do choose the option, and lastly it's about a very, very small number.

This contrasted to the successes of the ACA that are starting to rapidly pile up.

The rant will have the desired effect of the believers in 2014, but the effect on independents is yet to be seen, and by 2016 it well be a major negative for the Republicans.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

So easy to see. Even simple minded (sarcastic) republicans could see it coming 5 years ago.

So hard for enlightened (sarcastic) Obama worshippers to see and understand even as it is happening live before our eyes.

This issue is so plain and simple I actually think writing on this is a waste of Charles superior intellect, but he writes of politics and it is the issue of the day.

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

Krauthammer as usual hits the mark. Senator P also hit the mark when she declared that we needed to pass the so called 'Affordable Health Care Act'(Obamacare) in order to know what it contained. Now we know - it was/is a disaster. We now have art time work in full bloom; 50+ employees losing their long held jobs who now send resume after resume hoping to be re-employed. Mitt Romney had it right! The AHCA is a heavy burden TAX on the American people that needs to be repealed.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

So a man that "hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after diner," is now considered unproductive and living of other labor? This complete misrepresentation of marx illustrates why the far right is so afraid of him. They are tariffed of those that would dare work outside the corporate structure and have control over their own labor. It is also why they are deliberately misrepresenting the comments of the democrats. this is not about forcing others to subsidize your health its about having access to the resources to affordable healthcare so you can step out from the thumb of corporate america and actually pursue the American dream something we have been denied to long.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, as the first three comments to Mr. Krauthammer's excellent treatise on some of the perfectly predictable (and predicted) downsides to Obamacare amply demonstrate, there is none so blind as he who will not see.

Little wonder such absurdities are possible when so many are able to deceive themselves so thoroughly.

If nothing else, hope it helps the rest of us prepare for the inevitable day when the house of cards being constructed by these fairy-tale believers comes crashing down on us all.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

The president's actions around the ACA implementation are reminiscent of someone tumbling down a hill trying to regain his balance and grabbing for anything in sight. The act is not affordable nor does it provide universal health care. It is riddled with faults, deception and smothered in political allowances for his party favorites. Now he blames those he excluded from the health care reform process. Taken together, they are acts of desperation and certainly inappropriate for a US president.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Kraftyhammer aways sings the same tune.

He never saw a free trade deal he didn't like that has been sending jobs overseas for 20 years though. Bring those jobs back and we'd have many more jobs than people.

I've known 3 people that retired early because they can now get health insurance on the "free" market that used to tell them they were uninsurable unless they continued to work for a large corporation.

4word thinker
Murray, UT

So this is what is meant by helping small business, making sure that no small business can ever get bigger than 49 employees. Government assuring that small businesses must remain small.

That isn't the kind of help that helps.

one old man
Ogden, UT

How much of this mess is being caused by employers and others who are so anxious to see ACA fail that they will sacrifice their workers and other Americans to their cause of extremist greed?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@samhill
While my eyesight is pretty bad, I am sure you all would destroy Obama if he proposed something that left Americans so poorly off that they needed to take on 2 million more jobs just to get by due to medical expenses. Instead it's Republicans who proposed that (the repeal of Obamacare).

PM64
Orem, UT

So as I've been predicting for months, ever since Obama delayed the employer mandate from 2013 to 2014, he's now delayed it by presidential fiat until after the 2014 election. It wouldn't do for tens of millions to learn they were going to lose the doctors and medical plans they liked, despite Obama lies to the contrary, just before this fall's election!

Of course Obama has no authority to actually DO this! Unfortunately it wouldn't help the Republicans to insist that he actually FOLLOW the law and cause those tens of millions of Americans to lose their current insurance in 2015. Why the Republicans haven't gone to court to stop the avalanche of executive orders that violate the law is beyond me.

Well Nancy, you passed the law so we could find out what's in it, and it's more unemployment and less affordable insurance - and yes, it has the equivalent of death panels. I'm sure we'll learn lots more about it in the future!

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Predictable are anti administration spins making this guy a lot of money.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Six million more people insured under the ACA. That is amazing and no matter the what the naysayers complain about, those six million are lucky to have health care now! Just try taking it away.......then you'll see a disaster!

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Utefan60:

Since most of those six million people (BTW: I think your estimates are way too high) already had insurance they liked before the ACA took it away from them...then you are right...we are seeing a disaster!

The ones who were lucky enough to navigate through the bureaucratic maze of the Obamacare website; pay much more for their insurance than they did before; have higher deductables; be willing to switch doctors in many cases; and sign up for coverage for things they will never use; now have insurance once again.

The several million more people who also lost their insurance, but still haven't successfully gone through the gauntlet yet, are still waiting to find out if they have any coverage.

If all that is progress in your book, then I guess you are happy. I'm sure you can find several people that have actually been helped by this law, but for every one of those there are at several others who have been hurt by it.

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