"BYU is the 2nd best team in the 9th best conference, which is a LOT better
than being a bottom dweller in the 3rd best conference"Really?
I'm pretty sure it's about 17 points worse....
That has everything to do with Weber being in the Big Sky and Utah being in the
PAC-12. But you already knew that....RPI rankings:Utah:
92Weber: 164BPI:Utah: 39Weber: 143Utah > Weber
StGtoSLCRPI trumps BPI when it comes to NCAA selection committee
comparisons:#44 BYU MUCH BETTER than #92 UtahNo need for
cherry picking; most of the experts have BYU IN the tourney; Utah on the outside
Truth MachinePlease read my posts.At no point did I
every mention BYU.Gone Fishin challenged by claim that Utah was
making progress in improving from last year to this year.I was
comparing Utah to itself, not any other team. I think it is quite
obvious that Utah is improved over last year. I don't care about BYU, and
this is a Utah article. That is all.
"Better record versus D1 teamsBYU(17-10) > Utah(15-8)"Where did you go to school? 63% (17-10) is not greater than or even
equal to 65% (15-8).How about these ones?#42
Utah>#54 BYU#39 Utah>#49 BYUConvenient to cherry pick
whatever sources make your favorite team look good, isn't it?
pocyUte"By any objective measure the Utes are better this
year..."Better record versus D1 teamsBYU(17-10) >
Utah(15-8)Better record versus RPI Top 100BYU(6-6) >
Utah(4-7)Better road/neutral recordBYU(6-9) > Utah(1-7)It's quite obvious, when factors considered important by the
selection committee are examined, BYU is better than U.#44 BYU (SOS
#25) > #92 Utah (SOS #173)
Both BYU and Utah have both had missed opportunites this season. Win a few more
close games and both teams would be in a much better position. Seems that some
of the posters also need a reminder that utah played just 1 out of conference
road game...And lost to Boise state otherewise known as the 6th place team in
the MWC. Boise state also lost to the 3rd place team in the WCC. Makes it kind
of hard to say that Utah would be winning more games if they were playing in the
MWC or WCC...
Gone FishinReally? By any objective measure the Utes are better this
yearBetter overall record. CheckBetter Pac-12 record.
CheckYesterday's game was their first double digit loss of the
season.So yes, that's progress.20 wins is
absolutely a possibility.The Utes are very good at home and, given
how tightly they played Col, AZ and ASU on the road, I think they have as good a
chance as any to win those games. Cal and Stanford are good, but
aren't unbeatable, so it's entirely possible Utah steals one on the
roadThen there is the Pac-12 tourney where Utah got 2 victories last
year.All in all the potential for 3 more wins is certainly there,
and I think it is likely that they get them.YOU are the person who
mentioned the NCAA tourney. I think Utah would have to win out and put together
a semi-final run in the PAC 12 tourney at least to get the NCAA tourney, and I
don't think that will happen. I do think they have a very good shot at the
NIT however, and that would be great and another sign of progress.
@sportsfan you lost head to head and Utah destroyed the #2 team in the wcc. You
aldo lost to Pepperdine pacific loyal moaromont and Portland. Utah loses are to
tougher competition in the #3 conference. You can try to justify byus luckluster
performance and conference affiliation but Utah beat you head to head by 17.
Your team failed on the court and the field. At rose bowl Utah has
recruited the talent were the had the most issues st db and w. The speed they
brought in will change the offense production and if Christensen can change the
Ute offense like he did at MO Utah will be in the rose bowl soon enough. After
all Utahs defense is already a PAC12 defense. Just think you'll still be
independent and looking in. Its nice that the big5 will now have more autonomy.
They will also have more teams in bowl games giving the mid majors less.
Have fun being independent and trying to be part of the PAC by scheduling them
each year. Because I know you byu fans are jealous of Utah and it shows
Crow"Utah will get their revenge on ASU next week."So, if ASU wins crow, are you going to eat...crow? I thought that was frowned
upon by most societies.
CrowUtah didn't even meet the minimum standard, playing in a
bowl, for earning points for football in the Directors' Cup.
u25"Utah just has to beat Arizona, ASU, Colorado..."Utah just has to win the PAC and NCAA tourneys and they'll be
national champions.Bottom line:Utah has NO CHANCE to
make the Big Dance, but thanks for playing.-----------CrowBYU is the 2nd best team in the 9th best conference, which is
a LOT better than being a bottom dweller in the 3rd best conference#46 BYU(18-10) #26 SOS is projected to be IN the tourney#92 Utah(17-8)
#172 SOS is projected to be on the OUTSIDE looking in
Funky,I was thinking about the last three years worth of road loses.
Anyone compare to utah? Anyone? Now we are talking Div. 1 St.
Katherine's college does not count.
stanfunkySalt Lake City, UT The fact of the matter is that BYU,USU,and
WEBER STATE all have more road wins than Utah but all you Ute fans are
delusional and still think you have the best team in the country,when in
reality you dont even have the best team in the state you talk about BYU
playing high school teams ,well it looks to me like Utah played nothing but H S
teams in their pre season except 2 therefore they will not be going to the
ncaa tournament the announcers on the pac 12 network even said as much, their
sos sucks and that is hills fault
Too bad the Utesies can't play USc on the road every week, maybe then they
could compete. Are we gonna hear about how Ucla is a massive juggernaut now?
They aren't all that good. They're decent but not great
The BB I watch in the Pac-12 is such an upgrade over the MWC. Oddly, BYU fans
are equally excited about their move to the WCC. Coming near the top of the WCC
creates so much excitement. I wonder if there is a league even lower that would
allow them to win it all once in a while.Tough job for the tournament
committee to compare the records of teams that play in the majors against those
in the mid majors like the MWC and the Atlantic 10. Imagine the difficulty with
the comparison all the way down to leagues like the WCC and the Big West.Out of 33 conferences all but two all the way down to the MEAC did get a
chance to beat a ‘top 100’ team in the pre season. There are great
opportunities for the lower conferences to catch a school with a name in a pre
season game and beat them while they are trying to develop their players.
@Stanfunky isn't byu of the wcc playing a much easier schedule in
conference play yet they lost on the road to Portland Pepperdine loyal maramont
and pacific. Bug when Utah loses to a top program in UCLA their fans pile on in
desperation to justify beating a poor St. Marys team. Got to love the direction
the two programs are heading
@joe schmoe AZ could not beat Utah by 20 at home and ESPN is only giving AZ a
42% chance to win at Utah. Stanford lost to the #2 team in the wcc so they
should be a push over. Utah will get their revenge on ASU next week.again your smack failed your football and basketball teams both failed on the
field and court. Utah is the better program we proved it head to head and being
in a far superior conference
Winning on the road is tough at any level, unless you have a very, very good
team. Clearly we do not have this in the state of Utah this year. Had coach k
properly prepared his team for the conference season however, this might have
been a "special" year for the Utes. Coach messed up.
@anti Chris There are two experts articles I read Joe launardi and the experts
in Vegas who put out their braketology they have been pretty good in the past of
selecting the teams but they had Utah as a 12seed and Joe said in his article
about the Pac if Utah won this week it would gave them a good case to be in the
@downunder byu is the second place team in a very poor conference. Utah
destroyed that conferences 2nd place team by 17. Utah would dominate the wcc and
would not lose to pacific,peperdine, loyal Marymount or st marys. Unlike byu
Utah can play defense against their opponents. I liken the wcc
conference and their teams to Utahs preseason schedule. If Utah played in the
wcc it would just be another tune up but only before the NCAA tournament.
2 4 flinch Lunardi also has weber in and utah out.
Espns BPI basketball power rankings which is a lot more accurate than the
simplistic rpi has Utah 39 and byu at 50
Pocyute,There is no way utah wins 20 games this year. LOLIF u had
played a normal basketball schedule with a few games on the road against decent
teaks then u would have 7 less wins and be setting at about 10 wins. Just so
you know the selection committee watches this sort of stuff when making the
pairings for the tourney. 9 cupcake wins against the DEAD LAST worst preseason
schedule is not progress. Most high school teams could have had he same record.
Utah just has to beat Arizona, ASU, Colorado at home in the next 3 games then
they will be on the bubble. should win these 3 against very high rpi teams to
bump utans rip from 92 to in the 40's then split at Cal and stanford in the
last week and Utah is dancing.
Credit UCLA for applying defensive pressure where it had an impact.Arizona's coach, Sean Miller, nailed it a few weeks back when he said the
PAC-12 is full of coaches who are very, very good, and they'll take away
multiple offensive options a team has previously established.UCLA
did a great job of limiting Taylor and Tucker's open looks at threes,
Wright had a very slow start offensively because his drive game was mostly taken
away, and Loveridge just didn't find any kind of offensive groove. (Delon
found other ways to score, as usual, and had an overall great game, especially
defensively. I counted 5 blocks, not 3.)Against the upper tier PAC
teams on the road, having only one guy in double-figures, this spells a loss,
for this Utah team.The Utes need to shake it off and get ready to
defend their court at the Hunty. There's zero room for sulking
in this league. Hopefully the Utes can find one more road win in NorCal.
The Anti Chris said:"Is there any division 1 team with a worse
road record in the entire country than the u? Does anyone know? I could not find
one."Considering there are 2 other teams in the PAC-12 with the
same road record as the Utes (1-7) and 2 others with 2-7 road marks, seems par
for the course in a difficult conference. BTW, Utah doesn't have the worst
record in the state among D1 teams, that would be Southern Utah at 0-14. BYU
(4-7) and Utah State (3-5) and Weber State (3-6) aren't much better on the
road, either.And yes, there are other D1 teams with worse road marks
than the U. Check the ACC & SEC standings. Also don't forget - there
are MANY conferences considered D1 in Men's basketball, check the mid-major
conferences, there are quite a few horrendous road teams in those, who are
playing weaker schedules than the U.
@ Weber State GraduateSagarin says:Utah - 52Weber - 162Run along now
Bummer of a loss, but UCLA is really tough at home. A 20 win season
is still very much in reach. Utah can beat AZ, but they HAVE to rebound. AZ
isn't a great shooting team, but they got soooo many 2nd chance points in
Tucson.Cal and ASU are winnable games, but again, the Utes
can't take anything for granted.2 years ago I would have
thought a 20 win season this soon into the rebuilding process would be a pipe
dream, even with the cupcake schedules they've had over the past 2 seasons.
Coach K is definitely ahead of schedule, and the trajectory is
headed up. If this team can win Pac-12 games on the road even at
.250 clip it'll be like Happy Gilmore learning to putt. I just hope a
rouge Volkswagen doesn't run us down on the fairway.
Now I am going too have to change my name 2 of 23 on the road. It will be worth
it but I will wait until I can make it 2 of 24 by the end of the season. LOL
@No playoff for USalt Lake City, UTThe Utes have already
pulled off their ONLY conference road win of the season against the worst team
in the PAC.BYU accomplished in early November, against a MUCH better
team, what it took Utah until mid-February to accomplish.-----------That's an accomplishment for BYU? I
wasn't aware BYU was in the process of rebuilding their basketball program.
Congrats, you should be very proud of your team.
Rough outing and what is troubling is this team seems to be going the opposite
direction on the defensive side of the ball. They were stronger defensively
early in PAC 12 than they have been in recent weeks. When the offense is
struggling, the defense doesn't seem to pick it up.I thought a
split in LA would be a successful road trip. I'm looking forward to being
in the Huntsman Center this Wednesday for a very loud Utah crowd. Some Cougar fans are getting desperate. All they had to do to punch their
ticket to the NCAA after some quality early season wins was sweep the likes or
Portland, Pepperdine, Pacific, and San Diego and have at least be competitive
against the Zags. Another mediocre season against mediocre competition.
Is there any division 1 team with a worse road record in the entire country than
the u? Does anyone know? I could not find one.
Congrats to the utes for their biannual road win over the worst team in the pac.
They should be able to record yet another road win in 2016.
CB you are the master of spin. I see the utes winning maybe 1 more game in
league. AZ will crush the utes by 20+ this time around. That being
said, the utes doomed themselves to not even have a chance at the tourney before
league play even started. The Dr. scheduled games that were sure wins trying to
build some confidence in the team and in the coach. The Dr. couldn't have
yet another unsuccessful coach at the help. Coach K is doing a good job now
hopefully the utes can schedule a few more decent teams.
CB , first off you could not beat Portland, Pepperdine, and Pacific. They would
take u to the cleaners just like WSU did.
Chris B, you really crack me up...you are sooo funny, truly. The Utes on the
bubble, aw, that is so sweet that you believe that...funny, but cute. BYU is on
the bubble, but I don't think they will get in unless they win out the
regular season, too many bad losses (including to over 100 rpi Utah).
CB, please name most of the experts that had u in the bubble of the ncaa. There
is not one expert outside of yourself that puts u on the bubble. Way to make
I think utah will give Arizona a run for their money. I also say that Wright
goes to the nba. I do not think utah or byu will go the ncaa tourney. Both
will go far in the NIt.
Utes lost to UCLA in the second half. Dancing for Utah?Lol. I think not.
Forgot about the Colorado home game, but what I said still stands. Games at home
are winnable against about anyone in the country. The NorCal road stretch will
be the toughest part of the regular season remaining.
That was a bad loss. Wright again was the only one to show up. Once again,
Loveridge went missing on the road. Taylor also struggled.Big 3
home games coming up, 2-1 most likely. Let regroup and get a win over
Utes lose, Cougs win. All is back to normal.Nice win on the road COUGARS.
Good job utes. You finally got your annual road win against the worst team in
the pac.You are back to normal against UCLA.
Terrible start to the second half doomed us. It's alright though, went 3-1
against the LA schools this season. Need to win at least one next week
though.Bounce back strong, fellas. Go Utes!
Hey at least they beat USC. That is something.
Can't believe how well the Utes are doing compared to the Cougars. Look
I'm a cougar fan and have to admit that the Utes talent isn't as good
as the cougars. So it must be the coaching. Let's hope coach K gets a
call up to the NBA or a bigger program.
The Utes have already pulled off their ONLY conference road win of the season
against the worst team in the PAC.BYU accomplished in early
November, against a MUCH better team, what it took Utah until mid-February to
Wednesday we need to PAC the house and get ready to storm the floor if we win
Beat top 5 Arizona!
Turnovers and bad defensive rotations in this game. Fortunately, those are
uncharacteristic of the team this year, and hopefully won't be a problem
the rest of the season, because there are no slouches on the remaining schedule.
Vs UA and ASU, and at Cal and Stanford, any of those would be great wins.
Splitting them or going 3-1 would create a good chance for NIT invite. 4-0
finish and a couple conference tourney games, who knows?
Loveridge again goes missing on the road and we lose. Same story different day.
Wright is the only consistent player we have. He can't do it by himself.
This was are worst game of the season by far but least we didn't quit and
get blown out by 20. Big 3 home games coming up, 2-1 most likely
They just did not come to play in the second half. Totally laid an egg! Hopefully they can shake this one off quick.
Announcers just said wright will play in the nba.
Looks like ucla is going to win this one. Tough loss. Most experts
had Utah right on the bubble and some showed Utah was in before this loss. Side note: espn just showed Arizonas remaining schedule with percent
chance to win each game. Their lowest chance to win?The
prestigious PAC 12 utes being favored 52%That's what the
experts think of our ball team. Beat Arizona and we are back in the
march madness discussion on the bubble. Proud ute Proud PAC 12
member. It could be worse. Instead of losing to ucla we could be
losing to community colleges in high school gyms like pacific, Portland, an
Pepperdine. Go utes!