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Published: Monday, Feb. 17 2014 4:00 a.m. MST

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Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Speaking of child tax credits, did Congress ever fix the loophole where filers with an ITIN were claiming nieces and nephews who have never even lived in the United States...and they were getting away with it to the tune of $5 billion last year?
The IG of the IRS has been reporting the problem for five years now.
Did Congress ever fixx that?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Yet with all this and trillions of taxpayer dollars in other wealth transfers to the poor, we still have not solved poverty! Are we learning anything?

intervention
slc, UT

@mountainman
while we have not learned how to solve poverty we have learned that trickle down economics is worse then what we are currently doing. Do you have anything but failed ideas, we are all ears.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

intervention,

What we have learned is that taking money from those who earned it and giving it to those who don't, doesn't work.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Lets remind everyone that rich people like Mitt Romney pay millions in taxes every year. You and I do not. That means he is paying for the govt resources he uses AND the govt resources you and I use.

Lets not be lazy and suggest he start paying even more of the govt resources we use; we're paying very little of what we use.

His income has nothing to do with how many govt resources he consumes. Barack Obama doesn't suddenly start spending more money because Mitt Romney made more money this year; nor does barack spend less money if Mitt Romney(or other rich people) had a worse year financially.

When the rich are paying millions and we're paying a few thousand - its ungrateful and lazy of us to try and demand the rich pay more. They earned their money. Its lazy and irresponsible to suggest they pay our bills and our portion of the govt resources we consume

Lets not be lazy. The rich are already paying the great majority of govt resources you and I consume.

intervention
slc, UT

@chris B
And again we know giving the rich larger tax breaks makes things worse not only for the poor but for the entire economy, so again do you have any new ideas that might actually help?

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Income Tax is not a good idea. It was originally introduced for only the rich but now all but the poorest pay it. Exemptions have not fully kept up with the cost of living. When Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Orrin Hatch et al think that "the poor" are not paying their share they should remember that there are exemptions which merely intend that those who have no surplus cannot afford to pay.

I would concur, however, with a plan that entirely revokes the payment of income tax for everyone, and pay for it by freezing the hiring of government employees in all but the most basic services. "He whose name must not be mentioned", but whose initials are RP, had such a plan and what a great plan it is!
Remember the incident of those who paying into the temple treasury. The Lord's comment regarding the widow's mite is intended to demonstrate the truth that it is not the amount you pay but the sacrifice it is to the individual "contributor" that is meaningful. I wish that would be regarded by the formulators and upholders of taxes, and in the meditation of what constitutes justice.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

intervention,

And again we know that taking money from those who actually earn it and give it to those who don't earn it, doesn't work. Do you have any ideas that will actually help. And I'll note that even if this did "work" it does not mean its right. Having a rich person pay millions in taxes and me only pay a couple thousand is not right.

Any ideas that will actually work and that are right?

SLars
Provo, UT

The EIC replaces higher wages. It allows business to pay lower wages, and taxpayers to subsidize the poor workers. It's no wonder the US is a magnet for foreign citizens.

Outside-View
Federal Way, WA

I understand that this anti poverty credit helps people. However, where did the notion come from that this is "their money"? The example of how some of these people spend this "welfare" money is also worth noting. "What is $500 when the government is giving me $6,000?". The same attitude exists when people say, why should I pay for health insurance when I can go to the emergency room for free? Taking away accountability produces this kind of victum and or underpriviledged entitlment attitude.

The article also seems to bemoan that this large surplus of cash is not going for items considered luxeries. That four wheeler might be nice but I would hope if someone is poor enough to need this gift then they should use it for bigger tickeet necessities like car repair, appliance replacement etc.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The "Earned Income Tax Credit" is nothing but a socialist forcible redistribution of wealth, from the "makers" to the "takers."

Worse, it is a vehicle for massive fraud rewarding outright criminals to the tune of billions of dollars.

But, we cannot afford to cut government spending by a single dollar anywhere.

Soon, total confiscation of every dime EARNED by workers will not be enough to even cover the interest on the huge debts run up trying to fix poverty by giving people money instead of creating opportunities for them to work their way out of poverty. But, it wins votes from the "takers."

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

The credits may or may not relieve poverty, but at least these people are working. Reduction of poverty needs a lot of things. Getting off welfare requires incentives such as in the Clinton Gingrich era when 2/3 of the welfare folks went off welfare, but Obama has reduced the restrictions so poverty goes up.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@intervention

Trilliona in income redistribution not a single poor person is rich.

Trickle does not work? You don't know nor understand trickle down.

Real life Trickle Down example:

Bill Gates and few friends start company called Microsoft.

after a few decades,
they created over 12000 millionaires,

created very good jobs with benefits for hundred of thousands of people

beyond that
they created or helped create a windows/pc/internet industry,

that has made thousands upon thousands rich and provided jobs for millions of people.

Not to mention all the benefits and jobs created in other segments of society like business and education, sports, entertainment, communications, to just name a few.

Can government redistribution claim the same?

Would government meddling have helped? OR was it better they got out of the way of technology?

tickle down doesn't work?

think again!

Cowboy Joe
Encampment, WY

How many posters are receiving then EIC while actively demeaning it?
Probably most because Utahns are net takers from the gubernmint not net makers. Look it up if you don't believe me.

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