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  • Monumental Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:34 a.m.

    Blah blah blah BYU is not doing good this year. Utes USU look better than BYU ....but Weber WSU is a lot more stronger team last year and this year are doing better than Utes usu BYU . Big disappoint for BYU fans I hope the coach get fire and get a dynamic coach. Utah valley need a basketball team university style. UVU wolverines is coming a float better than BYU very soon will be superior than BYU where the state university will teach how to be successful in sports and academic .

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    @poyman

    I never claimed Utah will get a bid this year. Utah does have a chance if they finish with 22 or 23 wins.

    "if you only consider the top 150 their [Utah's] record is a dismal 7-13... ouch."

    Sorry I don't believe in fantasy, reality as of today is:

    BYU vs Utah

    vs. RPI TOP 25: 1-4(20%) vs 1-2 (33%)
    vs. RPI TOP 50: 2-5 (28%) vs 2-4 (33%)
    vs. RPI TOP 100: 6-7 (46%) vs 4-6 (40%)
    vs. RPI TOP 150: 8-8 (50%) vs 7-6 (53%)
    vs. RPI SUB 150: 8-2 (80%) vs 8-1 (88%)

    I'm hoping that we get a chance to play BYU in the NIT at the MC.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 15, 2014 1:00 a.m.

    One thing easy to comprehend re byu's season--

    They posted 2 decent Ws w/in the season's first 5 games way back in early November, yet what have they done since then? Came from behind to beat a decent SMC at home and....? Managed to convince some tougher teams to schedule & add W to their W/L record and L to byu's? They have a slew of horrible losses in conf/by double-digits to LMU.

    byu caught both teams out of the gate, w/Texas being talented yet extremely young/inexperienced early..Wichita State was a double-digit L, not unlike byu's double-digit L to bottom-feeder LMU..Stanford in Game 2 of seas/Texas in Game 5 and done squat ever since..Needing a massive comeback at home to beat a decent not great SMC falls short of crowing-worthiness.

    Texas wasn't good enough to be ranked early and byu's yet to beat a team ranked when played..Any school can schedule good teams and lose to them..Cluster of Ls in WeakCC is proof of a weak team/program w/a coach whose ceiling was reached w/jimmer f.

    81-64.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    @4inarow and uteology...

    Do y'all know what SOS means in the polls? Because some of your comments show me that you don't...

    BYU (with 4 games to go in the regular season) has a Strength Of Schedule rating of the 30th toughest in the country... Utah (considering that they even play in the big bad pac12) has a SOS ranking of 145 with 5 games left to play in the regular season...

    There are only 351 Division I teams that are considered for the NCAA Championship Tourney... BYU's schedule puts them into the top 10% of that field in SOS... Utah is rightfully not even in the top 40%...

    Then, when we figure out how Utah will finish the season (probably losing 4 out of their last 5 regular season games... and maybe all 5 if ASU can beat the utes at home) they will have a 19-13 record with 12 of the 19 wins coming from schools that are either not even on the RPI (like Evergreen State and St. Katherine) or are in the bottom half of the RPI Rankings... If you only consider the top 150 their record is a dismal 7-13... ouch.

    Needless to say... No chance for a bid...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    Things I don't understand:

    * Seahawks dominating super bowl win
    * BYU beating Texas, Stanford, and having close games with Wichita State, and Iowa State. Than lose to WCC teams.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    @crow...

    Do yourself a favor... Study the RPI, learn what it means, and then do your analysis and issue your smack... Because right now it seems like you are not nearly as "up" on college basketball as you could and should be to justify the credibility of your comments.

    Beating a 3rd place WCC team and then losing to a teams such as WSU and Boise State on the road demonstrates clearly that the utes are only formidable on the same floor that they practice on... Take them off of that floor they own an 8% winning ratio...

    Oh, and btw, the utes are now 2-11 against the Cougs over the past 8 years and haven't beaten the Cougs in Provo in over 9 years...lol... nuff said.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    Crow--

    "@ CougarSunDevil yet I'd question Joe Lunardi if he stated that winning against USC would improve their resume

    Dont byu fans live and breath what Joe puts on his bracktology? As for USC they may be at the bottom of the PAC12. They are implementing a new system and are trying to figure out who their starters are. I would still take a win over USC then one over an upper tier program in a lower division like a wcc, Mid America, Big West, WAC. Because of the name and they are part of a conference that is the 3 best in the NCAA. Not the 9th best conference in the NCAA.

    Also Vegas bracktology has Utah as a 12th Seed so it is not just Joe Lunardi giving Utah credit for the upswing."

    Bingo....USC has been in all of their recent games....The lazy/mindless method is to merely view their record and draw a conclusion....One exception is USC, possessing requisite talent-level....What they lack is overall team chemistry....New staff/new/system/limited time playing together among the players....They're talented enough to not only beat CAL, but Xavier, too!

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    The thing that's hard for me to believe is that Portland, Pacific, LMU, Pepperdine etc. have better athletes than BYU. There has to be some disconnect between players and coaches that allows them to look so disorganized. I think Rose is o.k. but haven't seen any real improvement since Dave Rice left. Maybe it's time to get a real D-1 assistant that can teach how to play defense.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    Feb. 14, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    Yes... I just read through both this article and the comments following it through Wildcat's comments... closed my eyes and... YES! I see BYU winning the WCC tourney/automatic slot, being red hot and advancing all the way to the NCAA Final Four...

    Dreeeeeeeammm... dream dream dream... all I have to do is dream

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 4:22 p.m.

    Uteology--

    "Has ASU even won a tournament game this last decade?"

    W/NBA Superstar James Harden in Tempe for 2 years, ASU managed 1 Tourney App and 1 W in '09....They "accomplished" the same thing in '03....Previous to this, they made The Tourney in '95, where they advanced to the sw16 and lost to Kentucky in Birmingham, a game for which I was personally in attendance....What a spectacle to behold it was in witnessing the pre-game chant of the Kentucky fanbase! One would have to go all of the way back to '75 to find another sw16 app made by ASU.

    Their program's Tourney resume shares much in common w/byu....In fact, they're to be found on that same list of schools w/most Tourney app w/out ever reaching The Final Four....Gonzaga's on it, as well!

    Overall, ASU's program is a complete joke....13 total appearances w/13 total Ws....It'll be a shame if JC doesn't get to experience at least a trip to it as JH was able to....Talk about wasted elite talent, something ASU rarely is able to lure into their program.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    Ken

    "The wcc just called. They want their invite back. I hear uvu is looking like a better option"

    Says the fan of a team that has not had a winning basketball season in PAC 12 play yet and hasn't been to a bowl game in two years.

    ------------

    Says a fan of a team that has only ONE football season better than Utah (8-5) over the last 6 years, two seasons at or worse than 5-7, and all that with 35 years of PAC-12 recruiting compared to 3. Moreover, ASU did diddly during the BCS era and hasn't had a major bowl win since 1996.

    As far as basketball, don't get ahead of yourself this season isn't over and we're 6-6 as of today (1.5 games behind ASU). Has ASU even won a tournament game this last decade?

    ASU vs Utah:

    Final Fours: 0 vs 4
    Tournament Record: 13-14 vs 35-30
    Championship Seasons: None vs 1944
    Tournament Appearances: 13 vs 27

    Source: ESPN

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil yet I'd question Joe Lunardi if he stated that winning against USC would improve their resume

    Dont byu fans live and breath what Joe puts on his bracktology? As for USC they may be at the bottom of the PAC12. They are implementing a new system and are trying to figure out who their starters are. I would still take a win over USC then one over an upper tier program in a lower division like a wcc, Mid America, Big West, WAC. Because of the name and they are part of a conference that is the 3 best in the NCAA. Not the 9th best conference in the NCAA.

    Also Vegas bracktology has Utah as a 12th Seed so it is not just Joe Lunardi giving Utah credit for the upswing.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    @ BlueHusky your team is not young your leading scorer returned Haws and you have 4 Jr starting Carlino, Haws, and Austin saw significant minutes last year.

    Your team is just not good.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    In their first year in the WCC, BYU pretty much swept the floor with the WCC teams, home or away, with the exception of St Mary's and Gonzage--2 high quality programs. This was a year after losing Jimmer and Jackson Emory, arguably their 2 best players. No "Go-To" guy that year. They clearly had less talent than the previous year but were able to squeak into the NCAA tournament.

    Now we have a "Go-To" guy in Haws and now BYU is a very average team in a less than average conference. The biggest difference I see is the defense. Davies was a FAR superior defender than Mika, whose defense is awful. Hartsock was an excellent shot blocker, defender, and a very good rebounder and scorer. Halford hustles but is a lousy defender and is on a real cold streak from the 3.

    I agree with a previous poster that with the resources BYU has, the other teams in the WCC shouldn't be even remotely competitive with BYU except Gonzaga. There is definitely an argument to be made that BYU's affiliation with the WCC has made their basketball program much weaker.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    The problem with the defense goes beyond the players. The zone defensive scheme is flawed. BYU played mostly man defense in the first half and gave up 35 points. Mostly zone in the second half and gave up 54. They have some good individual players but struggle with the team concept on both ends of the floor. Whatever happened to the idea of passing up a good shot to get a better one. Too little ball movement and too many individual forced shots. However, 82 points should be enough to win games. The zone defense has got to go. Whichever coach works with the defense has to be either re-assigned or let go.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    @CougarColby - I agree with you. With the resources and facilities BYU has as compared to the rest of the WCC they should be mowing all of these teams down. I am not sure they can even validate a loss to Gonzaga. Something is dreadfully wrong at the "Y" when they lose to teams from the WCC. A loss to UofU...not so bad, equivalent facilities, equivalent resources. A loss to Pacific, Loyola Marymount, and other WCC teams...unbelievable. I am sure Coach Rose is a really good man, but losses like these are a reflection of the coach. Poor foul shooting, no defense, losses to teams from the WCC. The NCAA tournament is a dream for the Y, it just isn't going to happen.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    BlueHusky
    Mission Viejo, CA

    This young BYU team is inconsistent. Good one game bad the next. Some really good players, but young.

    ------------

    As far as youth/experience goes they are #57. Seven teams from the PAC-12 are younger including Utah at #40.

    Besides Mika, you have mostly one-dimensional players (i.e., Haws can score, but that's it).

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Crow

    "Actually Joe Lunardi wrote an article about the PAC and the Utes that they are presenting themselves as a team deserving an invite if they could win against USC UCLA and have a deep run in the PAC tourney"

    I'd question Joe Lunardi if he stated that winning against USC would improve their resume. Come on, Can't we get Utah fans to agree that USC isn't that good? I'm sorry but the cellar dweller of any "Big 5 Conference" is not going to likely beat a top tier team from a "lower conference". This is especially true in Basketball. Talent is spread around more in basketball than in football. Someone can go to Creighton and Witchita St. and still go to the NBA where in Football, it could help you if you played in the SEC.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    KH

    "Thank you for acknowledging that Utah plays a much, much tougher schedule than byu does."

    In conference, yes. Overall, I'd say they are comparable. But I'd say that BYU's non conference was somewhat comparable to PAC-12 games, but I wouldn't say Utah's non conference was equal or better than WCC games. Utah definitely has the more difficult road to get to the tourney because they have to win the PAC-12 Tourney. BYU has to beat teams that should be more easily handled until they play the St. Mary's, SF, and Gonzaga.

    I think Utah would have had a lot more respect if they didn't play an extremely weak schedule in non conference and if trolls would stop posting ridiculous comments on these boards. It makes people like me in AZ and who are ASU fans have a significantly reduced amount of respect for a team. Just like the guy who spit on Oregon from ASU diminishes ASU's brand. Idle words, spitting, and fighting should have no place in sports. Live and let live.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    This young BYU team is inconsistent. Good one game bad the next. Some really good players, but young. Lose their focus. Lose their cool. Can't grind it out. Iffy defense. If Mika were coming back next year, I would expect a really good year. But he'll be gone. I hope Rose can find a lock-down defender or two for next year. That is what they really miss. But mostly it is maturity. They play hard but not smart. That comes with experience.

    Still, they're a fun team to watch, which is more than I can say about most college hoop teams. When the season is over, the world will still turn and we can start looking forward to football.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    ft--

    "I'm a huge Ute fan but I agree with a lot of posters. Why try to stand on BYU to make the Utes appear a little taller?"

    In case you didn't notice, byu fans are all over our threads..It works both ways, yet what you're referencing is people responding directly to these posters.

    Otherwise, why would any U-fan compare us to them? Their basketball program is a complete joke..Their best season, w/NPOY, and they only reach sw16!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Free throws and 4 proper rotations on defense could have changed this game. Small, fixable things. I'll say it again, this team will be an awesome team next year and go deep in the NCAA. It's over for this year unless they get lucky in the conference tourney - there wont be an at large bid. And btw, most college players would like to have a bad game and still put up 20, Haws was getting mugged. Again.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    @LoveTheKittens
    Central, UT

    @Uteology

    The scoreboard means nothing? Incredible.

    ------------

    Haven't you been paying attention? Cougar Nation does not care about scoreboard, they only follow Sagarin Rankings and RPI. To them scoreboard proves nothing.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    "just because the media loves them"

    jakrus:

    Wait, aren't y "fans" singing "RPI, RPI, uber alles" just because the media does?

    Too bad the y"s RPI didn't mean much to UOP last night.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    @poyman

    No one can say that the utes didn't win a road game this year (albeit it was against the last place team in the big bad pac12) but none the less a win... 1-9 on the road in regular season??? Not bad, I mean it's a 10% winning percentage and that's nothing to sneeze at... Not when you can chuckle.

    -------------

    Speaking of a last place team, BYU 76 LMU 87. A double digit thumping by a #168 RPI team, now that's impressive.

    Speaking of laughs, 1-9 (10%) is till better than 1996-1997 BYU 1-25 (3.8%).

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    @KH
    "Utah plays a much, much tougher schedule than byu does" l
    ol yeah right. USc is such a powerhouse, oh and Cal phew watch out for them in the tourney, stanford zzzzzzz. Oregon weeeeeeak. etc etcthe Pac is in no way some juggernaut conference just because the media loves them.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    I'm a huge Ute fan but I agree with a lot of posters. Why try to stand on BYU to make the Utes appear a little taller?

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Was at this game last night. Lost by seven points, free throws 10 of 17. HELLO!!!! No, this isn't BYU's only problem, but it's one of the easiest to fix...that is if anyone is willing to put out the effort to practice 15-foot unchallenged and unimpeded straight on shots. Also, the flatfooted standaround zone D is one of the most infuriating things in existence to watch; although the players don't seem to mind standing around and watching it. Maybe they can see it better from where they're standing. I liked Nate Austin's game; Carlino played well for a while; Haws' 20 points could have been 4 for as well as he played; Collinsworth was spotty and Mika had a target on his back all night. Overall, an embarrassing underperformance.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    @AZUTE1

    There is an article in Fox sports today talking about the Vegas Braketology they have Utah or Harvard getting the 12 seed.

    #1 Iowa vs #16 Weber St
    #2 Creighton vs #15 Boston U
    #3 Virginia vs #14 Vermont
    #4 Wichita St vs #13 Toledo
    #5 Michigan vs #12 Utah / Harvard
    #6 Cincinnati vs #11 New Mexico
    #7 VCU vs #10 Stanford
    #8 Tennessee vs #9 Florida St

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Ed Grady--

    Re: AZUTE1

    "You'll notice that I didn't mention that 3 years ago BYU crushed Utah, because well, that was nothing of significance. However, it was fun to watch Jimmer put up 47 on that pathetic bunch."

    Wow, during our struggle to replace our Legend, which we all readily acknowledge, byu had a player put up 47 on our out-manned team....Impressive, to say the very least....Yawn.

    Yet, what do they have to show for it? A mere sw16 appearance, their first in 30+ years? Talk about "pathetic"! Not to mention the epic-bust he's become in The NBA.

    What you don't seem to understand is [1] regular season game carries zero significance on the national stage....NPOY and byu can only manage to reach the sw16.

    Personally, I hope dr retires from byu decades down the road! He's every good/decent opponent's dream-scenario!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Crow--

    "Even Utah has a better chance of making the big dance then byu does."

    What we have to our advantage is we're playing teams currently slotted for The Tourney and we have most of the tougher games at home....We've yet to get blown-out and have been unbeatable at home since our fluke late-game collapse against UO by merely 2-PTS in OT....I'm not guaranteeing a W, but ua is vulnerable w/BA gone for the season....He was a MAJOR piece to their overall success this season....This fact just simply can't be overstated!

    Conversely, byu has SMC/GU and [2] rpi-killers then their conf tourney in the 9th-toughest conf in the nation, where they went 0-1 last season.

    They posted 2 decent Ws w/in the season's first 5 games way back in early November, yet what have they done since then? Came from behind to beat a decent SMC at home and....? Managed to convince some tougher teams to schedule & add W to their W/L record and L to byu's? They have a slew of horrible losses in conf/by double-digits to LMU.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    "Because the only way BYU or utah makes it to the NCAA tourney is if either wins their conference tourney. And who do you think has the better shot at that? utah has to play Arizona, ASU, UCLA, and/or other that going to win quite easily. BYU needs to beat San Fransisco, Gonzaga, and/or St. Mary's. I'd say BYU is more likely. Still, I think BYU is NIT bound and utah MIGHT be NIT bound. Hope they play again. would be fun to watch."

    CougarSunDevil,

    Thank you for acknowledging that Utah plays a much, much tougher schedule than byu does. You are probably the first byu fan to admit it with either football or basketball.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Re: AZUTE1
    You'll notice that I didn't mention that 3 years ago BYU crushed Utah, because well, that was nothing of significance. However, it was fun to watch Jimmer put up 47 on that pathetic bunch.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Actually Joe Lunardi wrote an article about the PAC and the Utes that they are presenting themselves as a team deserving an invite if they could win against USC UCLA and have a deep run in the PAC tourney

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    Tough loss for BYU the Gonzaga game is critical for there resume. Can't afford any more bad losses or tne ncaa bid will become an nit bid. Good luck the rest of the way BYU

  • spete12 WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Hey Baby

    "Evergreen St Mt. Saint Mary
    St. Katherine Mesa College
    Idaho State Prarie View

    want to talk conferences?"

    What do these teams have to do with conference. Pac 12 #3 RPI....WCC RPI #9. Not much to talk about! Keep on your Blue tinted glasses!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Byu is not a good bball team, no two ways around that, but Ute fans, USc is a horrible team, they couldn't compete in the powderpuff league so before you beat your chests too much about FINALLY winning on the road, wake us up when you actually beat a real team on the road

  • babyR Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    BYU's basketball team is like the Chinese food I ate a few days ago---SWEET AND SOUR! In defense of the team--wait, can't use the word defense with BYU. Well, in support of the team--wait--can't use the word support around the naysayers who have commented on the game. Well, then, good, bad, AND ugly, I still love BYU basketball. It's like the Chinese cookie--you never know what you'll get, but sometimes it is right on!!! GO BYU, BEAT St. Marys and Gonzaga and show us that now you can be right on!!! From now on.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Crow

    "Even Utah has a better chance of making the big dance then byu does."

    Surely this wasn't just an idle comment. You have some kind of analysis to back this up, right? What am I saying, of course you do. Now...present it. Because the only way BYU or utah makes it to the NCAA tourney is if either wins their conference tourney. And who do you think has the better shot at that? utah has to play Arizona, ASU, UCLA, and/or other that going to win quite easily. BYU needs to beat San Fransisco, Gonzaga, and/or St. Mary's. I'd say BYU is more likely. Still, I think BYU is NIT bound and utah MIGHT be NIT bound. Hope they play again. would be fun to watch.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    Ken

    "The wcc just called. They want their invite back. I hear uvu is looking like a better option"

    Says the fan of a team that has not had a winning basketball season in PAC 12 play yet and hasn't been to a bowl game in two years.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Losing to the Pacific Ocean and Loyola Mary is painful.

    Just painful.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    @ Baldyeye Rebuilding year with Haws and Carlino back? Maybe your coach and team arent that great and playing in the wcc is to much for them

  • zachbrwn new york, NY
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Living in Manhattan, I hope BYU makes the finally 4 so I can buy my N.I.T. tickets..

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    @ Cincy

    Success for Utah is winning NCAA tourney games. Getting there is one thing, winning there is another.

    Utah fans will get excited once they log their 36th NCAA tournament win.

    The standard for Utan winning NCAA games has been in place for some time now.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    @ poyman Actually our high light film will show us beating ranked UCLA. But one highlight that will be left off the dismantling of a lowly wcc team by 17.

    Pacific now that is an all time low

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    This is NOT a "rebuilding year" for the cougs. I hate to tell you this but it's going to be a few years before they are relevant and have any chance of beating my Utes again. Mica goes on his mission and the rest of byU Alpine won't be back until 2016. The core group won't play together until 2017! Besides, I'm not sold on kids from utah county that huck up shots and don't play D anyway.

    Meanwhile, my Utes are on a different trajectory altogether.

    Pacific? Wow

  • OhioCougar Madison, Ohio
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    I actually enjoyed our NIT run last season. Maybe we'll have something similar this year.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    @DRay

    Wow, what reality are you in? The WCC tourney isn't at the Marriot Center a single win would be a good showing.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    eg--

    "It's hard to believe that just three years ago BYU was a top 25 team, Sweet 16 NCAA team and crushing teams like Arizona, San Diego State, UNLV and Gonzaga."

    Caught AZ early in OOC in S.L.C....AZ much improved later/made Elite 8, significantly more memorable than a S16 loss; byu beat SDSU by 13 yet lost to SDSU by 18; UNLV done early in Tourney; GU is similar to byu in Tourney futility, yet not quite as lacking....For instance, see bow they and their #1 Seed did last season.

    My point is, even w/NPOY, byu achieved as a team nothing of note....1 player individually being hyped in no way equates to additional team success....byu did what they hadn't done in 30+ years, yet nothing even remotely memorable.

    The U is rapidly trending upward and has the H.C. to make a deep run in The Tourney, once there....dr ignores D/FT-shooting and his post-season futility in The Tourney reflects it.

    byu peaked early and has been declining ever since....A cluster of horrible losses along the way against an overall extremely weak conference.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    WCC tournament is reality, Y will be there, and play well in it. NCAA tournament is still a possibility--many teams play their way in by winning that. Two gold medalists for USA were not favorites going in. Danny Ainge led Y team was only 3rd in Conference when they made it to NCAA final 8. Cougs have talent to win. Players need to sacrifice, defend.

  • Swishfrom3 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Leave it to Poyman to try and cover up an embarrassing loss by saying that Pacific's RPI is close to Utahs.

    Whatever dude. I am a BYU fan and this loss hurts and is unacceptable.

    Until we can stop giving up freaking 89 ....89 points to PACIFIC....and start playing defense we wont be a top program (ranked).

    Tell Anae with his go hard go fast to shelf it and tell Rose to play some D and things in Cougartown will improve immensely!!!

  • arod Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Any bets BYU loses at St. Mary's and comes home 4th place in WCC? NIT may give them an invite though.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Unless a method can be devised for Winder and Bartley to defend from the bench, fans should get used to opposing teams scoring 30+ points from beyond the arc. I don't want to name names, but there are playing time decisions on this team that just baffle me. It's hard to believe that just three years ago BYU was a top 25 team, Sweet 16 NCAA team and crushing teams like Arizona, San Diego State, UNLV and Gonzaga. Today BYU looks like a glorified Utah County AAU team that is struggling to compete in the WCC. Is this the price of an independent football team?

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Stop talking about NCAA Tournament involvement. It is not going to happen.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Defense, we need to defend, especially on the road, and without fouling. It seems like every WCC team is playing their best against the Cougars. Remember Pacific is 5-8 in Conference even with this win. They can shoot well, but not usually that well. They can defend well, but not usually that well. Perhaps the numerous Y fans at the road games pushes teams to a higher desire to fight back, win?

    Don't give up on Cougars, 9 PM games are their bane. When they get a better time to play, and feel more grounded, they'll fly higher, do well in tournament.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    @Uteology

    The scoreboard means nothing? Incredible.

  • Magnet Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Success is a funny thing - you get a Jimmer, you get a Haws (pick one guy from the last 10 years) and all of a sudden the key to success is running everything through 1 guy. You have a few nights shooting lights out and running bad teams out of the gym and all of a sudden the key to success is bombing away from 3 and possessions that last 12.8 seconds.

    Then your recruiting board starts to fill up with scorers instead of players - because that is what success is. And bigs start realizing that unless you have the ball in your hands at half court, your career at BYU will be setting screens and picking up cheap fouls on weak side defense, for perimeter guys who can't defend.

    BYU struggles with balance. Take a look at the 3 year rebuild at Utah - take a look at the teams that torch BYU - inside out, balanced scoring, tough defense. Complete package.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    I think BYU will be just fine. This has always been a rebuilding year. We knew that going in. The Cougars have shown signs of greatness at times but when you don't play defense you lose games, especially on the road. Time to suck it up Cougars and play some D.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    The bubble just burst.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Maybe they are just not that good.? After 10 losses and probably more to come it is clear they struggle on defense.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    I find it comical that Utah fans are beating there chest about how much better Utah is than BYU. First off they have the same number of wins. 10 of their wins were against the likes of Evergreen State, St. Katherine, and Idaho State. Yes, Utah is a lot better than they have been in the past. Props to them for that. This is definitely the worst BYU basketball team in several years and yet it's no where even close to where Utah has been as of late. Until U make the NCAA tourney again, I don't see much room to talk. Don't get me wrong though, in no way am I saying BYU is better this year. They aren't the best team in the state and I'm okay with that. See Utah fans, it's okay to give props where props is due. It won't kill you.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    Coach Rose needs to play some guys who play at least a little bit of defense. It may also be helpful to recruit outside Utah County.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    Not long ago when USU was in the Big West and running 25 plus wins and entering the top 25 towards the end of the season, but losing to Pacific in Big West Tournament, I heard several fans (many of them BYU) saying that one loss to even one of these Big West teams meant that the team was not good enough for an at-large bid. Now USU is the MWC playing San Diego State, New Mexico, and UNLV, and BYU is lobbying for an at-large bid with losses to Portland, Loyola Maramount, Pepperdine, and Pacific. Interesting how times have changed.

    I think the whole independence move threw the BYU basketball program under the bus, and I really don't think it accomplished that much for BYU football. USU was on television just as much as BYU was last year and ended up being ranked higher. BYU's future schedules are about half MWC teams any way.

    I think BYU could get hot at tournament time and make a run, they have the talent to for sure, but unless Joe Lunardi gets a payoff, I don't see an at-large bid. Good luck to BYU in the WCC Tournament.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    I'm not sure what is going on this year with the team, but every game in the WCC should be a locked in W for BYU except the Gonzaga games. Something isn't right...

  • Teaching Moment Ogden, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    Sorry about the loss Ed

    Go Cougars!

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:11 a.m.

    Loss to Pacific...ouch!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:58 a.m.

    Again, I didn't see the game anywhere here which sucks! Why was the women's game on BYUtv and not the men?

    Btw, the first 3 posts are precisely why I hate it when they loose. It also sounded like their free throw woes continued to be an albatross strangling them! So what's up with that? Don't those kids care enough to devote some meaningful time to fix that part of their game? It's so disheartening! It's now looking more and more dismal that an NCAA invite is possible! And the sad part is that the harder part of this road trip is still ahead!

    C'mon Cougs! Buckle up to right the ship and turn things around! May fortune smiles on you from here on!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 14, 2014 2:53 a.m.

    @ken... Interesting that you bring up UVU... Looks to me like they and Weber State will be the only Utah teams dancing come March Madness...

    BTW, congratulations on the 2nd conference road win in 3 years... That win should be one big feather in your caps... It's a victory that should be on all your highlight films for recruiting this year... No one can say that the utes didn't win a road game this year (albeit it was against the last place team in the big bad pac12) but none the less a win... 1-9 on the road in regular season??? Not bad, I mean it's a 10% winning percentage and that's nothing to sneeze at... Not when you can chuckle.

    Oh, one more thing... Pacific has a higher RPI than USC by about a mile and in fact are only a couple spots behind Utah...

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:50 a.m.

    Here was my post of 2/10 for the balance of the season for the Coug's in the "wee" conference:
    And my updates to the right of my original post:

    PAC=win. (Yikes)...
    STM=loss. Loss
    Gonzaga=loss. Loss
    Portland=toss up. Win
    SD=loss. Loss

    2 & 3. 1-4...NIT
    3 & 2

    there is my prediction

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:06 a.m.

    "With an 89-82 loss to Pacific at the Spanos Center, BYU saw its four-game losing streak snapped while it dropped its third straight road game."

    Shouldn't that read four-game winning streak snapped.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    Someone please explain to me why Halford is starting and Carlino on the bench?

    BYU's rebounding didn't show up this game and Pacific absolutely shot out of their minds the second half.
    BYU's bigs in constant foul trouble really took away BYU'S strength in rebounding. Also it really hurt that the bigs were not producing offensively.

    BYU has shown they are capable of losing to anybody and very few wins have come easily.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:59 p.m.

    From the rest of the Ute fans on this board; please show some class. Being a fan is about cheering FOR your team, not against another.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    This team is dreadful. Watching Halford defend the perimeter is like watching a Chinese fire drill. Wake me up when Bartley and Winder start playing, until then we can all witness the steady decline of BYU basketball.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    Do you really think this means there will be less Dick Harmon articles about BYU's latest ranking (be sure to choose the RPI that has BYU rated the highest here) and how despite 10 losses they are still a 'bubble team'? I think not.

    But I still think they'll make a decent NIT team.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    Really frustrating. Why doesn't Rose use the press throughout the game? We generally get a few steals off it, and the WCC seems to be much better at shooting 3s than handling the ball.

    Also, need to use Collinsworth as a 4 more, go man on D, and lose the zone. It certainly works better than letting the other team bomb away, even if we are letting them get easy buckets inside.

    We are slipping, despite having an elite scorer in Haws. With a weapon like Haws we should be able to put together enough other pieces to be playing much better than we are. Wonder if Rose's cancer is taking more of a toll on him than we know.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    Scoreboard proves nothing. It's only one game, BYU still has a better RPI.

  • rph Arlington, VA
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:32 p.m.

    Riddle me this, Ken: when was the last time your team went dancing? "LOL."

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    Interesting, I thought only the Utes lost on the road...

    I would take 1-5 on the road in Pac 12 conference play vs 2-5 in WCC conference play any day of the week!

    There is absolutely no question who is the best team in the state this year.

  • orem_man_am_i orem, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    I think the trend line for byu basketball since joining the wcc should alarm cougar fans. If this is how this season is going to conclude it is time to let coach rose move on. This is starting to remind me of the last couple of years of coach Reid's tenure. I suspect you will see some players de-commit this off season.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 10:56 p.m.

    The wcc just called

    They want their invite back. I hear uvu is looking like a better option

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    When byu joined the wcc their fans were convinced byu would be right there with Gonzaga every year for the conference title. It's clear the wcc is Gonzaga and then everyone else. And even Gonzaga isn't even ranked. 0 ranked teams in the whole conference.

    Yes we know your rpi says you are a good team.

    The scoreboard just doesn't agree. Pacific?! Too funny!

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Byu is losing to pacific in the second half

    Dancing for byu?

    Lol. I think not.