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Published: Friday, Feb. 14 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Setting aside this article's slew of horrendous factual inaccuracies, the letter writer seems to unintentionally make a case for complete amnesty of undocumented workers.

Were undocumented immigrants given a pathway to citizenship they would no longer be subject to poor treatment and low wages at the hands of their employers. Indeed, the companies that currently hire them would be forced to actually pay their workers in accordance with our laws, etc... - no more "under-the-table" employees. Then, perhaps the letter writer's fictitious "coming-of-age" job market for teens would come back to life b/c those teenagers would be able to compete w/ immigrants since wages would be comparable.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

It is disgusting the way the true and holy principle of Compassion is being hijacked, perverted and used as a masquerade for pure, unadulterated GREED.

If it really were about compassion, businessmen wouldn't be doing all in their power to circumvent paying their fellow American the wage he justly has earned and deserves.

Instead they would have a little compassion for the American citizen right under their noses who do suffer greatly in a wide variety of ways as a result of illegal immigration and illegal employment of illegal aliens.

Nor is there true compassion in rewarding dishonesty and illegality.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Its hypocritical that liberals embrace and support illegal immigrants being here and being able to take law abiding Americans' jobs but then get upset if a company sends jobs overseas. In either case, the result is jobs moving from Americans to others. There is no difference. Except for the fact one is illegal and one is not

Enforce the laws and don't reward illegal aliens for their illegal decisions

Bubble
SLC, UT

"Unemployment is over 10 perecent" have you ever heard the saying that if you need to lie to make your point maybe you don't have one to make?

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Liberal leaders don't acknowledge those who don't have jobs due to illegal aliens. The income inequality, they persist in talking about and claim they want to fix, is made worse by illegal labor taking jobs at substandard wages undercutting citizens ability to work.

I suspect the liberal masses are really ignorant of the damage their policies heap on citizens (themselves and their children), and the leaders don't care because they know it is the big businesses that fund their campaigns.

The average citizen is not a person to democrat leaders, they are just dehumanized votes, and they feel the same way about illegals.

The deomcrats' 'compassion' is just a ruse, totally fake, to get reelected.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

This job thing is a ruse and the illegality issue largely an excuse. Both are cover for deeper motives. I wonder what those might be.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

I generally eschew simple answers but this is one case where the harder you look the more simple the answer is.

It seems there are only two answers. First; Americans are too lazy to do manual labor and therefore we need to import folks who will, and lucky us they will do the work for cheap.

Second the wages are so cheap that you can't live on them therefore Americans won't take back breaking work for wages that don't provide a life.

Regardless of how you combine the problems either Americans are lazy or wages are too low to attract Americans.

You choose conservatives.

Personally I fall on the side of if wages were livable you would see a lot more American citizens framing houses.

intervention
slc, UT

@ajax

You are right and the problem is they are far more transparent then they woudl like to think. At the same time they want a severe crackdown on illegal immigration they are also fighting to do away with welfare and the minimum wage. Its not to hard to see through the claims of compassion.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

The forces of anarchy have brought about a situation in which there is no enforcement of a uniform code of legal residency. We are surrounded by tens of millions of those who have illegally entered, and do continue to work, drive, trade and receive benefits, at the expense of legal residents, and Congress seems to want "post ipso facto" laws legitimizing existing illegality. Isn't that what it amounts to?

What is the source of this evil? The love of money is, we read, the root of ALL evil, including the evil of rampant lawlessness. Come on Congress! We need a majority of you do something useful and honest in your lives.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

When Alabama drove out the migrant workers a few years ago, the crops rotted in the fields because "real Americans" wouldn't take the harvesting jobs. The premise of this letter is a fantasy.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I'd bet you couldn't get a 'real american' to pick lettuce at twice the wage of those who do.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm not anti-immigrant, but I have to state the obvious.

Currently teenagers are the ones affected (because they traditionally did the "jobs Americans won't do"). Jobs now reserved for immigrants. So teenagers are having a hard time finding a job at a decent wage (because other people will do the same jobs for less).

People who came to America illegally to do the jobs Americans won't do rather than starve... Naturally will stay in the shadows and do those jobs. They were desperate, and willing to take the jobs Americans won't do. But their children (who are educated in American Schools, grew up watching MTV, shopping the malls, and living the American lifestyle)... will they be willing to do the jobs Americans won't do? I don't think so.

They will be competing for the jobs Americans WANT to do.

The children will be our engineers, layers, managers, politicians, etc. That's OK. They are citizens. But that generation will drive down the wage of SKILLED workers (not McDonalds workers). And that generation's population will be at least double todays (if each couple has 2 children).

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Bubble: "...have you ever heard the saying that if you need to lie to make your point maybe you don't have one to make?"

I don't believe that saying unemployment is over 10% is a lie. I guess it depends on your definition of "unemployed".

If you define it as the number of people who would start working tomorrow if a job became available that matched their skills, then it is definitely over 10%.

If you define it as that number published each month by the government that doesn't include those who no longer qualify for unemployment insurance or those who have given up hope, then you can say it is under 10%.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@hutterite,

I'll glady watch my lettuce(and fast food and hotel) prices increase while we watch education, healthcare, and a variety of other costs decrease. Illegal immigrants should go back to their country and show they are law abiding people.

Where are your similar feelings when jobs are sent because others are willing to do the work for a quarter of the price and "real americans" wont do it for twice the wages of those in other countries? Flip, flop, flip, flop

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

The problem with immigration reform is that few have any solution, left or right. Should we start with lawbreakers, such as employers who skirt the law for cheap labor? Who does it benefit to ignore the immigration laws for the past 35 plus years? How will name calling Chris B enforce the law on 11 million plus immigrants and will he enforce it on all nationalities or just one particular segment? Will he pass laws to profile legal citizens just because they resemble the undocumented? Remember that employed immigrants, legal or illegal, pay taxes, social security, and do contribute so think of this when you come up with your great solutions. If wages for the middle class keep getting suppressed we'll all be immigrating to Canada, Australia, or Europe to send funds back to our families.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

ugottabkidn
Re: "Remember that employed immigrants, legal or illegal, pay taxes, social security"...

How can an ILLEGAL immigrant pay taxes (you need a SS# to pay taxes). How can they pay Social Security taxes (you need a SS# to pay social security taxes). You need a SS# to get insurance. You need a SS# to register for school....

How do you do all these things without a SS#??

You have to adopt one (from the black market). And that is illegal to the max. It's not a victimless crime (like coming here illegally). That... is a REAL crime (punishable by time in prison IF you're a US Citizen).

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

"Why not some compassion for American workers who've been displaced by illegal labor..."

There is compassion for the American worker put out of work by an illegal worker... It's call 'unemployment benefits.' The Unemployed American can get up to 115 months (over two years) of benefits while they sit home watching the illegal do the work.

intervention
slc, UT

@joe
the number "the government publishes" is he same official unemployment number we have used since they stared recording unemployment, to claim other numbers is at best suspect.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

intervention:

You mean that number that was deliberately manipulated to show a dramatic drop in unemployment a month before the last election to help Obama win back the presidency?

Just like the latest Obamacare enrollee numbers coming out of this administration, we can't trust any number reported by Washington these days.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

intervention,
RE: "the number the government publishes is he same official unemployment number we have used since they stared recording unemployment"...

Truth is... the calculation has changed 3 times in the last 30 years.

In 1994, the Bureau of Labor Statistics redefined "the workforce" to include only that small percentage of the discouraged who had been seeking work for less than a year.

USA Today (12/28/10)
"Citing what it calls "an unprecedented rise" in long-term unemployment, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), beginning Saturday, will raise from two years to five years the upper limit on how long someone can be listed as having been jobless".

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When unemployment is measured according to the formula that was used when President Bill Clinton took office, it is actually around 20%.

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formula aside.

Google "Unemployment Rate - Bureau of Labor Statistics Data"...

The graph is very revealing. Compare the Obama years with the rest of the graph... there's no denying it's not good.

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