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  • MountainLion44 Eagle, ID
    Feb. 18, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    The dismantling of marriage to be a catch all misses its purpose. It is a higher calling to raise children with all the inherit qualities provided by a woman and a man. To contrive it into the image of two men or two women will be a disservice to children, ultimately society, and then mankind. Why you ask? The path or the end state of same-sex marriage is not known by anyone. The religious people have an idea from the Book of Revelations, story of Noah, and the story of Lot. But what does the secularist bring to the table to describe the end of this road? Really? Such a colossal change of societal structure and no one can describe the outcome. If the world had started with same-sex marriage none of us would be here.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Feb. 18, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    @sj: "@ BOB God is always God.. even if you don't believe in Him. Remember - Jesus chased the sinning money changers out of the temple. "

    Ah, I see, YOUR god is a so called "Christian" god, correct? There are many other religions that do not share YOUR view of this "god". I guess those people don't count, eh SJ? YOUR "god" appears exclusionary and many find that distasteful to say the least, I'll have no part of that. But I will still defend YOUR right to practice YOUR faith under YOUR own vine and tree. Leave equal rights under the constitution to the secular law.

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    Becker's playing to his base. SLC per capita is more gay than most cities in America. The irony of that is that it's because the LDS are so tolerant of others. Gay people have found a safe haven in the midst of the welcoming and docile population who let them go about their daily lives in peace where other cities would not.

    But the problem now is that the same gay population that found a safe haven within the LDS communities is trying to step on the religious beliefs of the local people. Their gay pride parades and constant public protests, as well as their continual anti-religious agenda is putting off the locals who were so welcoming in the first place.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    This cat has gotten its' head and shoulders out of the bag. The rest will follow.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    Promiscuous sex is intimate sex outside of heterosexual marriage which would include intimate homosexual relations and heterosexual relations between people who are not married to each other. If we really had a chaste society, divorce and it's horrible effects on children and society would be significantly reduced, venereal disease would be totally eliminated, pornography and sex crimes would be eliminated. Sounds like a pretty good society. But if Gay marriage is legalized, then it won't be long before polygamous and polyamorous "families" will be legalized (these"families" are anxiously looking forward to it). And what's to prevent legalization of three or more gay people from getting "married?" The long term effects socially chaotic effects of gay marriage and what will follow will be disastrous for our society. Given the serious problems we presently have in our society, whatever our sexual inclinations are, isn't it time for us to start living in a mature and responsible way and to discourage selfish, irresponsible sexual behavior. "Live a chaste life." Is that too much to ask and expect of our fellow citizens?

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    I would like to know how many of these democratic Mayors are being promised higher office if they capitulate? That seems to be the only way the democrats can get things done.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    @mrjj69 and everyone else saying he's not listening to his constituents... are you sure? I mean, he's the mayor of Salt Lake City, probably one of the most liberal parts in the second most liberal county (behind whatever Park City's county is called) in the state. Yes the majority in Utah oppose same-sex marriage but Salt Lake City has got to be pushing around 50-50 if not around 55-45 for it.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    @ Downtime
    You wrote: " Society and these children raised by homosexual couples will vindicate those who work against the recognition of gay marriage". Wow!!! How I can define this statement,.. fear mongering perhaps and others less polite. However, I wanted to comment on the lack of love implied here. You want to be right regardless the consequences... Fortunately, you are wrong. The vindication that true Christian will receive is that God love all his children regardless of their sexual orientation. Marriage is a sacred institution and LGBT want to take part of it.

    To all opposed to SSM:

    Please go to the Washington Post and read the the Virginia decision about declaring the ban on SSM unconstitutional. Judge Arenda Wright-Allen did a wonderful job in writing and addressing all the concerns presented on this newspaper for the last few years regarding SSM.

    If you want to keep on speculating without any reasonable argument, feel free. If you want the opinion of a knowledgeable person. Please read this decision, you may still disagree but you will better informed.

  • kishkumen American Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    @SalleyOMalley: I guess you haven't taken the time to get to know very many gay people in your life, but they clearly understand that they have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. They are actually seeking the ability to marry the ones they love. And since heterosexuals will also have the right to marry people of the same sex once gay marriage is allowed in every state, please explain how that would give gays any special rights.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    apparently the mayor does not represent his constituents, the majority of who are against gay marriage.

  • Baker Boy Westminster, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    It is often the case in comments concerning articles like this one, that the best option for raising a child is in a two parent family with a father and mother.

    I always believed that how parent(s) nurture and care for their children was the most important criterion for good outcomes. My three brothers, and a cousin, and I were raised in a household with only one parent, my mother. My father died when we were all quite young. Guess what? We all turned out really well, all college graduates with very successful careers and wonderful families, all thanks to my mother, who did it alone.

    The U.S. Census figures for 2011 showed that there were 13.7 million single parents raising 22 million children, 26% of whom were under the age of 21.

    The reality is that there are many forms of parenting, not always conforming to the norm of one father, one mother. I don’t understand why people would dismiss same-sex parenting, when it really is all about the care and nurturing that parents can provide.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    If your argument against marriage equality uses the word "God" it is invalid in the United States of America. Read your first amendment.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 4:00 p.m.

    @ Aephelps14 You really have never met a typical traditional family with a man-father, woman- mother and kids? You must not get out much. You mention the LDS description of masculine and feminine. What would that be? I've never seen or heard that description in my more than 50 yrs as a member.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    1. Human rights aren't decided by a majority vote.
    2. The marriage issue here is about civil marriage and has nothing to do with recognition of such marriages by churches or whether said churches will decide to perform them.
    3. Our laws are not based on what any particular religion declares to be the will of God. This isn't a theocracy.
    4. We're all just as married now as we were before gay marriage was allowed.
    5. The "gay lifestyle" is pretty much the same as the "lifestyle" the rest of us enjoy. Work, keep the house and yard kept up, get the kids fed and off to school, etc., etc.. Although this may surprise a few people, it's not about orgies, drag queens and recruiting straight people to become gay.
    6. People don't choose to be gay any more than the rest of us chose to be straight. Ask yourself, when did I ponder the two options and, after debating it, decide to be straight? It just doesn't work that way. After all, no rational person would opt for being gay in countries where it results in prison or death, now would they?

  • nycut New York, NY
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    @JSB bizarrely argues that gay couples should be denied marriage because promiscuous societies are sick.

    It is hard to believe that in 2014, here in the age of information, people still equate “gay” with “promiscuous.”

    Modern times may seem sexually promiscuous compared to some chaste ideal of yesteryear, though these facts about heterosexuals have always been true: Heterosexuals engage in pre- or extra-marital sex, divorce, create children outside marriage, practice deviant sex acts, attend sex parties, have multiple sex partners, create and consume pornography and exchange money for sex. They rape and sexually abuse each other. And they marry.

    Targeting gay couples seeking to marry is absurd.

    “The Gays” are promiscuous the same way Mexicans are lazy, Jews are cheap, and Blacks are criminals: which is only in the eyes of the ignorant and prejudiced.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    It is so disturbing to read people's comments when they take it upon themselves to comment about our sexual activities! How pompous and arrogant and how sad that members of God's church would treat us that way! Lets see, they call us promiscuous and immoral and one even said we mock God! We hear it all! They talked about me in church. They said I went with other men when I was married. They said horrible things. I hadn't even came out to myself! None of it was true! I didn't think I could feel that much pain! It is so disgusting that these people would demean others in this way! I will stand up for myself! I am a child of God! I have a deep belief in God! It is ok for me to be gay and I know that God approves of my 15 year relationship with my same sex partner! I respect the people around me and their beliefs and you know what, I don't think it is too much to ask others to do the same! Have some respect for our beliefs, please!

  • Dr. G Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    Seeing these elected officials push for homosexual marriage is a little disconcerting given the fact that the only other time homosexual marriage was codified into law was during the days of Noah, right before the flood (see Talmudic Jewish Bioethics Volume 9). Homosexuality was practiced in Sodom and Gomorrah, ancient Babylon, ancient Rome, to name only a few, but the practice was never given legal sanction through laws governing marriage contracts. So here we go for the second time in the history of the world with elected officials pushing for a similar legal sanction for the practice. The results in the days of Noah were nothing short of disastrous. Why are we trying this again?

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    @ Karen R.

    You offer very practical and wise advice to LDS/Utah leadership (and other "Traditional Marriage" advocates). At this point, the ethical thing to do would be for influential leaders to reassure. Remember what Governor Herbert suggested a few weeks ago, that Utah could be a civic model of how to navigate responsibly through this issue.

    The Virginia Marriage Equality decision is a VERY big deal! -- (a state that belonged to the Old Confederacy , no less)!

    With this latest crop of decisions, it looks like the justices are being informed by each other and building on one another's work (for example: this justice -- Arenda Wright-Allen, quotes Shelby). Her's is a bold opinion, a pleasure to read. Seems like the ink is hardly dry on Schaerr & Company's Utah brief and already events appear to be over-taking it. This justice does a beautiful job of dismissing Baker v. Nelson, (which can now be used by the Kitchen attorneys in the Bee Hive Sate).

    It's exhilarating to watch history being made!

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    @funzi

    Yes, I realize that there would not be much of anything without straight couples. However, gay couples should enjoy the same relationships as straight couples. What difference does it make if two people want to be involved in a commtted loving reltionship? All they are asking is the same protections as straight couples.

    LovelyDesret
    "Why the 98% signifies the percentage of people that would like to be in a healthy productive family."

    So families with LGBT relationships cna't be healthy and productive?

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Only 350 Mayors out of over 30,000 Mayors nationwide signed this. That is about 1 or 2%. That is about the percentage of gays in America. Why the 98% signifies the percentage of people that would like to be in a healthy productive family.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Boring Guy: I disagree with your proposition that those who believe in marriage are full of hate and fear. On the other hand, I believe that the biggest fear about marriage as traditional defined, comes from the fear of being married to someone of the opposite gender, a gender that presents the greatest diversity on God's green earth, as well as bearing the responsibility of what that union brings. Fear of those two unchangeable realities(a wife and children)is the reason that gay marriage even exists in our culture. It is also the very reason why gay marriage is not about equality; it is, in the end, about banishing God. After all, God didn't make this world for Him to become more like us, but rather that we would become more like Him. If god isn't going to change, that leaves only one option for the gay crowd, to get rid of Him.

  • sj Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    @ BOB God is always God.. even if you don't believe in Him. Remember - Jesus chased the sinning money changers out of the temple. He doesn't "tolerate" sin in any form. He paid for those sins and as we repent we will be forgiven, but to keep sinning and think that there are no consequences for doing so is folly. He has clearly stated that we are to keep ourselves morally clean. His love is always there... but not his forgiveness. He said "I will forgive whom I will forgive" It doesn't matter if you believe in Him or even believe Him. He is unchangeable. To believe and obey God isn't bigotry nor hate and especially NOT evil. You may Challenge all you like but He will be the final word on this matter. We have been warned over and over again. God Help us all!

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    This guy knows what the word equality means, great news for all of us gay mormons.

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    @DanO

    The benefits are not the same, as several studies have shown. The most ideal setting for children to succeed is to be raised in a home with a mother and a father who are married to each other. You can bang the "it's all the same" drum as loud and as long as you want, but it will never be so. Society and these children raised by homosexual couples will vindicate those who work against the recognition of gay marriage. The prophets, as history has shown time and time again, will be vindicated.

  • BAKC Litchfield Park, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Thank you Mayor Becker! You have just made it easier for your opposing candidate to take your job and send you packing. Voters are the voice you seem to be ignoring. They will let you know their thoughts loud and clear on Election Day. Good riddins!!

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    @G-Day-M8: Whose God are you referring to? Challenging bigotry, discrimination, hate and evil, no matter whose god it is in the name of isn't mockery, it's justice and the right thing to do. Anyone or organization promoting these things needs to be called out and be made to see the error of their ways.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    does the petition include siblings, polygamysts,and polyandrists? How about ANY combination of any number of consenting adults?

    If not, it is not trully an "equality" petition.

  • Aephelps14 San Luis Obispo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    I fail to understand the argument that same-sex marriage will damage children. I have never known a single heterosexual couple that fit into the stereotypes that the LDS church deems as being "masculine" or "feminine" and therefore create an environment that is ideal for kids. People do not fit into boxes and each couple complements one another in diverse ways that very often do not fall in line with the "inherent" qualities of men & women respectively. I don't see any reason for a same-sex couple to not be able to provide all the needed qualities to successfully raise a child. Good for this mayor for recognizing that we don't live in a theocracy and that it is good for church and state to be separate.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Feb. 14, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Leaders from the anti-SSM side need to start reassuring their followers that the sky is not going to fall in the wake of the inevitable. As someone noted above, the dominos are falling very quickly now. The leaders need to start leading and reassuring their people.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    The ability of two consenting adults to choose to marry each other is the essence of freedom equality under our beloved U.S. Constitution.

    The anti-marriage crowd can't lay out a decent argument as to why gay marriage shouldn't be permitted. Because such an argument doesn't exist.

    The fight against fairness and justice by the anti-marriage crowd is based on fear and hate. Fortunately, if you look throughout U.S. history, generally equality wins out with time. It will in the case of gay marriage too and it will be awesome.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    A declaration! Wow. So I guess he is against the will of the voters and our laws? I'm shocked. Is anyone else? LOL

  • Mr.Glass Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    @JSB: The article had nothing to do with promiscuity. It's about Becker's support for gay marriage.

  • Funzi Italy, 00
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    I totally agree with you JSB!

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    The effects of children with no parents are much worse than the perceived threat to marriage by some. These people need to remember the children they are talking about are mostly already in these families . But they deserve to have their parents have equal rights to other parents. And the children that are adopted by these people are much better off than not having parents. Thanks Mayor Becker for having the foresight to help this minority.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    @morganh
    "Their real agenda is that they don't want marriage period!! "

    That doesn't make any sense... at all.

    "If you don't believe me on this look up Masha Gessen a same-sex activist on the Internet. "

    Oh well, I mean if one person on the Internet says something, that must apply to everyone in that movement...

    @Sundriver
    "What about THEIR RIGHTS? "

    Should've thought about that before single people (including of course single gay people) could adopt in Utah thus making it look like hypocrisy to suddenly cry about the rights' of children when you're trying to prevent a decent number from having a two parent household.

    "After all, marriage is now about LOVE, with little room left for rearing children."

    Marriage IS about love. We have a word for rearing children, it's called parenting.

  • Funzi Italy, 00
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    I totally agree with you JSB!

    Cavetroll; your comment is the lowest of lows. Do you really want to compare the number of straight families to that of gay couples ANYWHERE in the world? Do you realize that there would be no world at all wasn't for straight couples? How do you think that societies can go on? Because there are committed men and women who have children, nature says that, not "a small percentage of adults".

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Darmando, as unfortunate as those kids plight is, they made a decision to leave. The fact that some parents set expectations for their kids, and then the kids choose not to live up to those expectation or follow parental rules, is why they leave. And that happens to non-homosexual kids also. It could be drugs or bad grades, promiscuity or any number of other things that cause them to leave. Your arguement is flawed at best. Kids leave home because they don't want to live there.

    I know a kid who decided he was homosexual and then kind of went off the deep end and threatened to kill his grandmother. He caused a lot of turmoil in that family. He was forced to leave but everyone lionized him because the poor little homosexual kid was so persecuted by his grandparents expecting him to live up to the rules of the household. He has chosen by his behavior to have no contact with his family at all. It is a sad situation for that whole family. They are suffering because of his choices.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Unfortunately I don't live in Salt Lake City. If I did, I would be sure to vote for whomever runs against Mayor Becker. His support of a lifestyle that puts children to a disadvantage and where there is a high incidence of sexually transmitted diseases (HIV/Aides) is certainly not the kind of leadership that is best for Salt Lake City.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    Nice job Mayor Becker! I hope the DN keeps a record of all the comments being posted. I particularly enjoy JSB of Sugar City not wanting to legitimize "promiscuous behavior" by allowing marriage. That makes one irredeemable I would presume and maybe that really where good church going folks want to keep LGBT people.

  • Sundriver West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Freedom to marry, but for whom? Homosexual/heterosexual couples? How about father and son son/mother-daughter, siblings marrying each other? Just as long as they are consenting adults, does not the fourteenth amendment-due process apply to them as well? And why just confine it to just two? Why not all polygamy/polyandry, or just about any combination or grouping the mind can conjure up?

    Of course, the children- what about their right to be reared by the two individuals responsible for bringing them into the world? What about THEIR RIGHTS? As long as people love each other- well, the children come in a distant second. Little more than a post script, an after thought. If somehow they manage to survive the abortion phase of their existence, then we abuse them, and treat them as castaway non entities, to be endured by consenting adults that may or may not have any biological connection or parenting pro civilities. After all, marriage is now about LOVE, with little room left for rearing children.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Would a story like this from the Deseret news surprise anyone? This is the typical daily dose that the LDS Church owned paper gives us......go figure. Does anyone need a story like this to really know how
    Ralph Becker feels about gay marriage, I think we already know the awnser to that one.

  • vangroovin West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Just because Mayor Becker and others are supporting the redefinition of marriage does not mean that what they do is right. Marriage is between one man and one woman. The family unit, with a father (man) and a mother (woman) who are married to each other legally, is the central and most significant unit in society. I find it very unfortunate that so much support is given to something that devalues, demoralizes, and destroys the traditional family unit.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    @LovelyDeseret
    "All I ever hear is that it is best for a small percentage of adults. "

    Well yeah, it's best for gay or lesbian people, just like opposite-sex marriage is best for straight people. That should be pretty straight(pun intended)forward. Allowing both is what's best for society and children.

    So you mischaracterize our argument, you suggest we need to prove that everyone being in a same-sex marriage is best for society when that's not our position at all, we support both same and mixed-sex marriages.

    @Funzi
    "why they do not find persuade us is because their argument is only valid for themselves."

    I found it a pretty easy argument to make above. I'm perplexed by your phrasing though since it suggests that all gay marriage advocates are gay. Last I checked 2-5% of the population was gay, while 50% in the nation support same-sex marriage. There's a lot of straight allies, myself included.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    The "Freedom to Marry" Petition and the "Marriage Equality" argument is a front for what the LGBT community really want. Their real agenda is that they don't want marriage period!! If you don't believe me on this look up Masha Gessen a same-sex activist on the Internet. Many people support "Marriage Equality" and they know they can convince the public on that issue. However, it is a lot harder to convince people that we should not have any form of marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a women. Any other form makes traditional marriage irrelevant and the first marriage of Adam and Eve that was ordained by God irrelevant as well.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    If something is wrong, no matter what the justification is, it's not going to do anyone any good. Society's best has always been built on fundamental principles, including the definition of marriage. As is quite obvious, there are all kinds of activities that people legally engage in in our society, some that are quite obviously problematic and unhealthy, such as smoking, alcohol consumption, drug use, abortion, and sexual immorality, to name a few. Gay marriage is just another one of those choices that many view as stifling to humanities crawl forward, but nevertheless is a choice that some will continue to justify as healthy and unselfish, an ironic anomaly of epic misjudgement.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    JSB, your arguments hold no water since expanding marriage equality would encourage coupling and reduce promiscuity.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    "Sexual promiscuity encourages pornography and related sex crimes and psychological problems."

    Marriage encourage monogamy and sexual fidelity.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    You cannot put aside the commandments of God. Mockery has consequences. Covenants have obligations.

    Some say that religion is forcing a code of ethics on the masses and on the surface it seems like a rational argument but disobedience to the commandments is a willful choice. There is no compulsion as that would invalidate God Himself. With every law there is a consequence if broken and on the other hand there is a promise if obeyed.

    Some say there is no God and therefore there is no Gods law but to say there is no God does not make it so. To say there is no sound in the forest when a tree falls because we were not in the forest when the tree fell does not mean there was no sound.

    To know God, one must have hope in His reality and then act in faith, believing his commandments are Just and his promises are sure. There is no magic or superstition but there is confirmation.

    I expect there will be mockery of my post so I leave this invitation to hope, then to act, then to know.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Mayor Becker is wrong. For good reason, most Utahns desire a chaste society (i.e. one in which any intimate sex outside of heterosexual marriage is discouraged). The advantages of a chaste society over a promiscuous society are very clear. The more promiscuous a society is the sicker it is: More divorce accompanied by expensive and tragic social costs (custody issues, poverty, abused and neglected children resulting in more crime, drug abuse, school dropouts, social maladjustment, violence, sexual perversion, etc.) Also, in a sexually promiscuous society there is more venereal disease with additional cost to the responsible taxpayer. Sexual promiscuity encourages pornography and related sex crimes and psychological problems. Plus, promiscuity results in more abortions and/or unwanted children.

    Legislating against sexual promiscuity is difficult (though there are laws against prostitution, underage sex and marriage, and sexual abuse). Given the high cost to society of promiscuous behavior, should a state be forced to legitimize these behaviors through liberalizing marriage laws? Can’t a state or the people of the state for the good of the state, openly encourage chaste behavior through social pressure by frowning upon sexually promiscuous behavior and encouraging chaste behavior?

  • across the sea Topeno, Finland
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    The simple truth is this ... If it would be natural they could also have children by each other...

    I have advocated, since -85, civil unions for couples living together and sharing households together FOR ANY REASON. That they could inherit each other, get insurance etc benefits. This has nothing to do with sex!
    But I think that nothing is good for "gays" battling their own demons.

  • Darmando Parker, CO
    Feb. 14, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Reading the news from Utah I find the pro child arguments of the anti equal rights crowd hard to understand because they are often dishonest.
    Wasn't there a recent article about the large number of homeless gay teenagers in Utah who are homeless because they felt forced to leave their righteous, traditional homes and were not accepted? It seems the SSM people are better - certainly kinder - to ALL of Utah's children. Being raised in a "traditional" family won't make a gay child straight any more than being raised by gay parents will cause a straight child to be gay, and being gay in too many "traditional" families is dangerous and destructive to the child. I've yet to read of a child forced out of their SSM home.
    The claim that gay people want "special rights" is particularly obnoxious and dishonest. Human rights are human rights. The right to love and thrive and be protected should be everyone's right. Human rights belong to all persons, even Utah's children.

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Don't look now, but another Marriage Equality domino just fell -- now, Virginia!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    The mayor understands what "Liberty and Freedom for All" means.
    Why those against marriage are afraid of 2% of the population being able commit to each other through marriage, is beyond logic.

    You hear that?... That is the sound of inevitability.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Putting aside unsubstantiated religiosity inferences, what differences does it really make. There are children with no homes or parents living in the streets, and the religious don't seem too concerned about them.. But they are up in arms over children having a good home and loving same sex parents. Go figure.

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    If marriage is a right for all, well, then I have a few absolutely fabulous friends whose rights are being violated, as no one's married them yet!

    Happy Valentine's Day! And Happy Singles Awareness Day.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Feb. 14, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    Everyone already have the freedom to marry. Gays want to change the definition of marriage to call their own kind of relationship marriage, which it is not - according to the divine definition decreed by God and according to the Utah constitution..

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    @LovelyDeseret

    If the traditional marriage crowd has so many supporters why don't they persuade the gay marriage supporters that their argument is best for society? All I ever hear is that it is best for a small percentage of adults. This is the opposite of the gay marriage crowd which says their side is best for society and families.

  • md Cache, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    @DanO So gays can't be as committed to each other without a marriage document? Civil unions with the same legal rights as straight couples, I understand and support.
    Calling two same-sex partners married is like calling a square a circle. Try as hard as you want and you cant make those right angles of the square sloped to become a circle. Redefining marriage or a square and forcing it on us and our children to accept is wrong.
    Gays don't want equality. They want a special place in society because they are so brave for coming out of the closet.

  • Visitor from California Berkeley, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    Thank you, Mayor Becker! You have helped make Utah a more welcoming state.

  • SallyOMalley Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:53 a.m.

    They already have the same rights to marry as everyone else, the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Isn't that that same right as everyone else? Everyone else can marry someone of the opposite sex and they can too. What they want is not the same rights, but special rights for a choice they have made. Eight major studies of genetically identical twins in Australia, the United States, and Scandinavia over the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion, gays were not born that way.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:46 a.m.

    Humanity is finally moving to an era where we acknowledge and respect differing views and don't try to pigeon hole everyone - even if it does not fit - well done Mr Mayor, many people are very grateful for your action!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2014 5:41 a.m.

    Why doesn't the "pro-marriage" group, stop trying to force to redefine marriage. And call same-sex marriage a "civil union" or "same-sex marriage", but, also give the same financial rights to that definition of marriage? And the argument that it is discriminatory to call two men living together or two women the same as a man and woman. They are different and should be termed differently.

    I fell the same way with a man that lives with 5 wives or a woman with 5 husbands. We call people that co-habitat by that term. So why force the issue of redefining marriage from one man and one woman, to anyone that loves each other?

    I haven't had anyone give a mediocre argument, other than they feel it's not equal. Which to me doesn't hold water. We could call all four legged animals with a tail a horse, but, it really doesn't explain what the animal is. We should call things as they are.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    Feb. 14, 2014 3:17 a.m.

    DanO "why wouldn't the benefits be the same? Many same-gendered couples are already raising children."

    2 wrongs don't make a right.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    @DanO
    You talk about marriage equality as if heterosexual marriages and gay marriages were the same thing. They are totally different. Whatever laws are passed granting federal benefits to both types of marriages will never make them equal. The effects of gay marriage on children as opposed to the effects of heterosexual marriage on children remains to be seen over the long run. As the fact that children in gay marriages will be raised without a mother, or a father, but two mothers and two fathers, again they are totally different and the effects will also be different on society as a whole. It is interest how such parents feel to put their own needs and "rights" above that of the children they are raising.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 13, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    LovelyDeseret, why wouldn't the benefits be the same? Many same-gendered couples are already raising children. Marriage equality will help bring additional stability to those families, the same stability that families headed by heterosexual couples enjoy. But since children aren't a requirement of marriage, it encourages the same commitment as marriage between two heterosexual partners.

  • Chasey San Antonio, TX
    Feb. 13, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Becker's comments warm the cockles of my heart. Oh wait...that's heartburn. Never mind.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 13, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    If the redefining of marriage crowd has so many supporters why don't they persuade us that their argument is best for society? All I ever hear is that it is best for a small percentage of adults. This is the opposite of the pro-marriage crowd which says their side is best for society and children.
    It then comes down to do we help families and children or a small percentage of adults.