If the redefining of marriage crowd has so many supporters why don't they
persuade us that their argument is best for society? All I ever hear is that it
is best for a small percentage of adults. This is the opposite of the
pro-marriage crowd which says their side is best for society and children. It then comes down to do we help families and children or a small percentage
Becker's comments warm the cockles of my heart. Oh wait...that's
heartburn. Never mind.
LovelyDeseret, why wouldn't the benefits be the same? Many same-gendered
couples are already raising children. Marriage equality will help bring
additional stability to those families, the same stability that families headed
by heterosexual couples enjoy. But since children aren't a requirement of
marriage, it encourages the same commitment as marriage between two heterosexual
@DanOYou talk about marriage equality as if heterosexual marriages and gay
marriages were the same thing. They are totally different. Whatever laws are
passed granting federal benefits to both types of marriages will never make them
equal. The effects of gay marriage on children as opposed to the effects of
heterosexual marriage on children remains to be seen over the long run. As the
fact that children in gay marriages will be raised without a mother, or a
father, but two mothers and two fathers, again they are totally different and
the effects will also be different on society as a whole. It is interest how
such parents feel to put their own needs and "rights" above that of the
children they are raising.
DanO "why wouldn't the benefits be the same? Many same-gendered
couples are already raising children."2 wrongs don't make a
Why doesn't the "pro-marriage" group, stop trying to force to
redefine marriage. And call same-sex marriage a "civil union" or
"same-sex marriage", but, also give the same financial rights to that
definition of marriage? And the argument that it is discriminatory to call two
men living together or two women the same as a man and woman. They are different
and should be termed differently.I fell the same way with a man that
lives with 5 wives or a woman with 5 husbands. We call people that co-habitat by
that term. So why force the issue of redefining marriage from one man and one
woman, to anyone that loves each other?I haven't had anyone
give a mediocre argument, other than they feel it's not equal. Which to me
doesn't hold water. We could call all four legged animals with a tail a
horse, but, it really doesn't explain what the animal is. We should call
things as they are.
Humanity is finally moving to an era where we acknowledge and respect differing
views and don't try to pigeon hole everyone - even if it does not fit -
well done Mr Mayor, many people are very grateful for your action!
They already have the same rights to marry as everyone else, the right to marry
someone of the opposite sex. Isn't that that same right as everyone else?
Everyone else can marry someone of the opposite sex and they can too. What they
want is not the same rights, but special rights for a choice they have made.
Eight major studies of genetically identical twins in Australia, the United
States, and Scandinavia over the last two decades all arrive at the same
conclusion, gays were not born that way.
Thank you, Mayor Becker! You have helped make Utah a more welcoming state.
@DanO So gays can't be as committed to each other without a marriage
document? Civil unions with the same legal rights as straight couples, I
understand and support. Calling two same-sex partners married is like
calling a square a circle. Try as hard as you want and you cant make those
right angles of the square sloped to become a circle. Redefining marriage or a
square and forcing it on us and our children to accept is wrong. Gays
don't want equality. They want a special place in society because they are
so brave for coming out of the closet.
@LovelyDeseretIf the traditional marriage crowd has so many
supporters why don't they persuade the gay marriage supporters that their
argument is best for society? All I ever hear is that it is best for a small
percentage of adults. This is the opposite of the gay marriage crowd which says
their side is best for society and families.
Everyone already have the freedom to marry. Gays want to change the definition
of marriage to call their own kind of relationship marriage, which it is not -
according to the divine definition decreed by God and according to the Utah
If marriage is a right for all, well, then I have a few absolutely fabulous
friends whose rights are being violated, as no one's married them yet!Happy Valentine's Day! And Happy Singles Awareness Day.
Putting aside unsubstantiated religiosity inferences, what differences does it
really make. There are children with no homes or parents living in the streets,
and the religious don't seem too concerned about them.. But they are up in
arms over children having a good home and loving same sex parents. Go figure.
The mayor understands what "Liberty and Freedom for All" means.Why
those against marriage are afraid of 2% of the population being able commit to
each other through marriage, is beyond logic. You hear that?...
That is the sound of inevitability.
Don't look now, but another Marriage Equality domino just fell -- now,
Reading the news from Utah I find the pro child arguments of the anti equal
rights crowd hard to understand because they are often dishonest.Wasn't there a recent article about the large number of homeless gay
teenagers in Utah who are homeless because they felt forced to leave their
righteous, traditional homes and were not accepted? It seems the SSM people are
better - certainly kinder - to ALL of Utah's children. Being raised in a
"traditional" family won't make a gay child straight any more than
being raised by gay parents will cause a straight child to be gay, and being gay
in too many "traditional" families is dangerous and destructive to the
child. I've yet to read of a child forced out of their SSM home. The
claim that gay people want "special rights" is particularly obnoxious
and dishonest. Human rights are human rights. The right to love and thrive and
be protected should be everyone's right. Human rights belong to all
persons, even Utah's children.
The simple truth is this ... If it would be natural they could also have
children by each other...I have advocated, since -85, civil unions
for couples living together and sharing households together FOR ANY REASON. That
they could inherit each other, get insurance etc benefits. This has nothing to
do with sex! But I think that nothing is good for "gays" battling
their own demons.
Mayor Becker is wrong. For good reason, most Utahns desire a chaste society
(i.e. one in which any intimate sex outside of heterosexual marriage is
discouraged). The advantages of a chaste society over a promiscuous society are
very clear. The more promiscuous a society is the sicker it is: More divorce
accompanied by expensive and tragic social costs (custody issues, poverty,
abused and neglected children resulting in more crime, drug abuse, school
dropouts, social maladjustment, violence, sexual perversion, etc.) Also, in a
sexually promiscuous society there is more venereal disease with additional cost
to the responsible taxpayer. Sexual promiscuity encourages pornography and
related sex crimes and psychological problems. Plus, promiscuity results in more
abortions and/or unwanted children.Legislating against sexual
promiscuity is difficult (though there are laws against prostitution, underage
sex and marriage, and sexual abuse). Given the high cost to society of
promiscuous behavior, should a state be forced to legitimize these behaviors
through liberalizing marriage laws? Can’t a state or the people of the
state for the good of the state, openly encourage chaste behavior through social
pressure by frowning upon sexually promiscuous behavior and encouraging chaste
You cannot put aside the commandments of God. Mockery has consequences.
Covenants have obligations. Some say that religion is forcing a code
of ethics on the masses and on the surface it seems like a rational argument but
disobedience to the commandments is a willful choice. There is no compulsion as
that would invalidate God Himself. With every law there is a consequence if
broken and on the other hand there is a promise if obeyed. Some say
there is no God and therefore there is no Gods law but to say there is no God
does not make it so. To say there is no sound in the forest when a tree falls
because we were not in the forest when the tree fell does not mean there was no
sound. To know God, one must have hope in His reality and then act
in faith, believing his commandments are Just and his promises are sure. There
is no magic or superstition but there is confirmation. I expect
there will be mockery of my post so I leave this invitation to hope, then to
act, then to know.
"Sexual promiscuity encourages pornography and related sex crimes and
psychological problems."Marriage encourage monogamy and sexual
JSB, your arguments hold no water since expanding marriage equality would
encourage coupling and reduce promiscuity.
If something is wrong, no matter what the justification is, it's not going
to do anyone any good. Society's best has always been built on fundamental
principles, including the definition of marriage. As is quite obvious, there
are all kinds of activities that people legally engage in in our society, some
that are quite obviously problematic and unhealthy, such as smoking, alcohol
consumption, drug use, abortion, and sexual immorality, to name a few. Gay
marriage is just another one of those choices that many view as stifling to
humanities crawl forward, but nevertheless is a choice that some will continue
to justify as healthy and unselfish, an ironic anomaly of epic misjudgement.
The "Freedom to Marry" Petition and the "Marriage Equality"
argument is a front for what the LGBT community really want. Their real agenda
is that they don't want marriage period!! If you don't believe me on
this look up Masha Gessen a same-sex activist on the Internet. Many people
support "Marriage Equality" and they know they can convince the public
on that issue. However, it is a lot harder to convince people that we should not
have any form of marriage. Marriage should be between a man and a women. Any
other form makes traditional marriage irrelevant and the first marriage of Adam
and Eve that was ordained by God irrelevant as well.
@LovelyDeseret"All I ever hear is that it is best for a small
percentage of adults. "Well yeah, it's best for gay or
lesbian people, just like opposite-sex marriage is best for straight people.
That should be pretty straight(pun intended)forward. Allowing both is
what's best for society and children. So you mischaracterize
our argument, you suggest we need to prove that everyone being in a same-sex
marriage is best for society when that's not our position at all, we
support both same and mixed-sex marriages.@Funzi"why they
do not find persuade us is because their argument is only valid for
themselves."I found it a pretty easy argument to make above.
I'm perplexed by your phrasing though since it suggests that all gay
marriage advocates are gay. Last I checked 2-5% of the population was gay, while
50% in the nation support same-sex marriage. There's a lot of straight
allies, myself included.
Just because Mayor Becker and others are supporting the redefinition of marriage
does not mean that what they do is right. Marriage is between one man and one
woman. The family unit, with a father (man) and a mother (woman) who are
married to each other legally, is the central and most significant unit in
society. I find it very unfortunate that so much support is given to something
that devalues, demoralizes, and destroys the traditional family unit.
Would a story like this from the Deseret news surprise anyone? This is the
typical daily dose that the LDS Church owned paper gives us......go figure. Does
anyone need a story like this to really know how Ralph Becker feels about
gay marriage, I think we already know the awnser to that one.
Freedom to marry, but for whom? Homosexual/heterosexual couples? How about
father and son son/mother-daughter, siblings marrying each other? Just as long
as they are consenting adults, does not the fourteenth amendment-due process
apply to them as well? And why just confine it to just two? Why not all
polygamy/polyandry, or just about any combination or grouping the mind can
conjure up? Of course, the children- what about their right to be
reared by the two individuals responsible for bringing them into the world?
What about THEIR RIGHTS? As long as people love each other- well, the children
come in a distant second. Little more than a post script, an after thought. If
somehow they manage to survive the abortion phase of their existence, then we
abuse them, and treat them as castaway non entities, to be endured by consenting
adults that may or may not have any biological connection or parenting pro
civilities. After all, marriage is now about LOVE, with little room left for
Nice job Mayor Becker! I hope the DN keeps a record of all the comments being
posted. I particularly enjoy JSB of Sugar City not wanting to legitimize
"promiscuous behavior" by allowing marriage. That makes one irredeemable
I would presume and maybe that really where good church going folks want to keep
Unfortunately I don't live in Salt Lake City. If I did, I would be sure to
vote for whomever runs against Mayor Becker. His support of a lifestyle that
puts children to a disadvantage and where there is a high incidence of sexually
transmitted diseases (HIV/Aides) is certainly not the kind of leadership that is
best for Salt Lake City.
Darmando, as unfortunate as those kids plight is, they made a decision to leave.
The fact that some parents set expectations for their kids, and then the kids
choose not to live up to those expectation or follow parental rules, is why they
leave. And that happens to non-homosexual kids also. It could be drugs or bad
grades, promiscuity or any number of other things that cause them to leave.
Your arguement is flawed at best. Kids leave home because they don't want
to live there.I know a kid who decided he was homosexual and then
kind of went off the deep end and threatened to kill his grandmother. He caused
a lot of turmoil in that family. He was forced to leave but everyone lionized
him because the poor little homosexual kid was so persecuted by his grandparents
expecting him to live up to the rules of the household. He has chosen by his
behavior to have no contact with his family at all. It is a sad situation for
that whole family. They are suffering because of his choices.
I totally agree with you JSB!Cavetroll; your comment is the lowest
of lows. Do you really want to compare the number of straight families to that
of gay couples ANYWHERE in the world? Do you realize that there would be no
world at all wasn't for straight couples? How do you think that societies
can go on? Because there are committed men and women who have children, nature
says that, not "a small percentage of adults".
@morganh"Their real agenda is that they don't want marriage
period!! "That doesn't make any sense... at all. "If you don't believe me on this look up Masha Gessen a same-sex
activist on the Internet. "Oh well, I mean if one person on the
Internet says something, that must apply to everyone in that movement... @Sundriver"What about THEIR RIGHTS? "Should've thought about that before single people (including of course
single gay people) could adopt in Utah thus making it look like hypocrisy to
suddenly cry about the rights' of children when you're trying to
prevent a decent number from having a two parent household. "After all, marriage is now about LOVE, with little room left for rearing
children."Marriage IS about love. We have a word for rearing
children, it's called parenting.
The effects of children with no parents are much worse than the perceived threat
to marriage by some. These people need to remember the children they are talking
about are mostly already in these families . But they deserve to have their
parents have equal rights to other parents. And the children that are adopted by
these people are much better off than not having parents. Thanks Mayor Becker
for having the foresight to help this minority.
I totally agree with you JSB!
@JSB: The article had nothing to do with promiscuity. It's about
Becker's support for gay marriage.
A declaration! Wow. So I guess he is against the will of the voters and our
laws? I'm shocked. Is anyone else? LOL
The ability of two consenting adults to choose to marry each other is the
essence of freedom equality under our beloved U.S. Constitution.The
anti-marriage crowd can't lay out a decent argument as to why gay marriage
shouldn't be permitted. Because such an argument doesn't exist. The fight against fairness and justice by the anti-marriage crowd is
based on fear and hate. Fortunately, if you look throughout U.S. history,
generally equality wins out with time. It will in the case of gay marriage too
and it will be awesome.
Leaders from the anti-SSM side need to start reassuring their followers that the
sky is not going to fall in the wake of the inevitable. As someone noted above,
the dominos are falling very quickly now. The leaders need to start leading and
reassuring their people.
I fail to understand the argument that same-sex marriage will damage children. I
have never known a single heterosexual couple that fit into the stereotypes that
the LDS church deems as being "masculine" or "feminine" and
therefore create an environment that is ideal for kids. People do not fit into
boxes and each couple complements one another in diverse ways that very often do
not fall in line with the "inherent" qualities of men & women
respectively. I don't see any reason for a same-sex couple to not be able
to provide all the needed qualities to successfully raise a child. Good for this
mayor for recognizing that we don't live in a theocracy and that it is good
for church and state to be separate.
does the petition include siblings, polygamysts,and polyandrists? How about ANY
combination of any number of consenting adults? If not, it is not
trully an "equality" petition.
@G-Day-M8: Whose God are you referring to? Challenging bigotry, discrimination,
hate and evil, no matter whose god it is in the name of isn't mockery,
it's justice and the right thing to do. Anyone or organization promoting
these things needs to be called out and be made to see the error of their ways.
Thank you Mayor Becker! You have just made it easier for your opposing candidate
to take your job and send you packing. Voters are the voice you seem to be
ignoring. They will let you know their thoughts loud and clear on Election Day.
@DanOThe benefits are not the same, as several studies have shown.
The most ideal setting for children to succeed is to be raised in a home with a
mother and a father who are married to each other. You can bang the
"it's all the same" drum as loud and as long as you want, but it
will never be so. Society and these children raised by homosexual couples will
vindicate those who work against the recognition of gay marriage. The prophets,
as history has shown time and time again, will be vindicated.
This guy knows what the word equality means, great news for all of us gay
@ BOB God is always God.. even if you don't believe in Him. Remember -
Jesus chased the sinning money changers out of the temple. He doesn't
"tolerate" sin in any form. He paid for those sins and as we repent we
will be forgiven, but to keep sinning and think that there are no consequences
for doing so is folly. He has clearly stated that we are to keep ourselves
morally clean. His love is always there... but not his forgiveness. He said
"I will forgive whom I will forgive" It doesn't matter if you
believe in Him or even believe Him. He is unchangeable. To believe and obey
God isn't bigotry nor hate and especially NOT evil. You may Challenge all
you like but He will be the final word on this matter. We have been warned over
and over again. God Help us all!
Boring Guy: I disagree with your proposition that those who believe in marriage
are full of hate and fear. On the other hand, I believe that the biggest fear
about marriage as traditional defined, comes from the fear of being married to
someone of the opposite gender, a gender that presents the greatest diversity on
God's green earth, as well as bearing the responsibility of what that union
brings. Fear of those two unchangeable realities(a wife and children)is the
reason that gay marriage even exists in our culture. It is also the very reason
why gay marriage is not about equality; it is, in the end, about banishing God.
After all, God didn't make this world for Him to become more like us, but
rather that we would become more like Him. If god isn't going to change,
that leaves only one option for the gay crowd, to get rid of Him.
Only 350 Mayors out of over 30,000 Mayors nationwide signed this. That is about
1 or 2%. That is about the percentage of gays in America. Why the 98% signifies
the percentage of people that would like to be in a healthy productive family.
@funziYes, I realize that there would not be much of anything
without straight couples. However, gay couples should enjoy the same
relationships as straight couples. What difference does it make if two people
want to be involved in a commtted loving reltionship? All they are asking is the
same protections as straight couples. LovelyDesret"Why the
98% signifies the percentage of people that would like to be in a healthy
productive family."So families with LGBT relationships
cna't be healthy and productive?
@ Karen R.You offer very practical and wise advice to LDS/Utah
leadership (and other "Traditional Marriage" advocates). At this point,
the ethical thing to do would be for influential leaders to reassure. Remember
what Governor Herbert suggested a few weeks ago, that Utah could be a civic
model of how to navigate responsibly through this issue. The
Virginia Marriage Equality decision is a VERY big deal! -- (a state that
belonged to the Old Confederacy , no less)!With this latest crop of
decisions, it looks like the justices are being informed by each other and
building on one another's work (for example: this justice -- Arenda
Wright-Allen, quotes Shelby). Her's is a bold opinion, a pleasure to read.
Seems like the ink is hardly dry on Schaerr & Company's Utah brief and
already events appear to be over-taking it. This justice does a beautiful job of
dismissing Baker v. Nelson, (which can now be used by the Kitchen attorneys in
the Bee Hive Sate).It's exhilarating to watch history being
Seeing these elected officials push for homosexual marriage is a little
disconcerting given the fact that the only other time homosexual marriage was
codified into law was during the days of Noah, right before the flood (see
Talmudic Jewish Bioethics Volume 9). Homosexuality was practiced in Sodom and
Gomorrah, ancient Babylon, ancient Rome, to name only a few, but the practice
was never given legal sanction through laws governing marriage contracts. So
here we go for the second time in the history of the world with elected
officials pushing for a similar legal sanction for the practice. The results in
the days of Noah were nothing short of disastrous. Why are we trying this again?
It is so disturbing to read people's comments when they take it upon
themselves to comment about our sexual activities! How pompous and arrogant and
how sad that members of God's church would treat us that way! Lets see,
they call us promiscuous and immoral and one even said we mock God! We hear it
all! They talked about me in church. They said I went with other men when I was
married. They said horrible things. I hadn't even came out to myself! None
of it was true! I didn't think I could feel that much pain! It is so
disgusting that these people would demean others in this way! I will stand up
for myself! I am a child of God! I have a deep belief in God! It is ok for me to
be gay and I know that God approves of my 15 year relationship with my same sex
partner! I respect the people around me and their beliefs and you know what, I
don't think it is too much to ask others to do the same! Have some respect
for our beliefs, please!
@JSB bizarrely argues that gay couples should be denied marriage because
promiscuous societies are sick. It is hard to believe that in 2014,
here in the age of information, people still equate “gay” with
“promiscuous.”Modern times may seem sexually promiscuous
compared to some chaste ideal of yesteryear, though these facts about
heterosexuals have always been true: Heterosexuals engage in pre- or
extra-marital sex, divorce, create children outside marriage, practice deviant
sex acts, attend sex parties, have multiple sex partners, create and consume
pornography and exchange money for sex. They rape and sexually abuse each other.
And they marry.Targeting gay couples seeking to marry is absurd.“The Gays” are promiscuous the same way Mexicans are lazy,
Jews are cheap, and Blacks are criminals: which is only in the eyes of the
ignorant and prejudiced.
1. Human rights aren't decided by a majority vote.2. The marriage
issue here is about civil marriage and has nothing to do with recognition of
such marriages by churches or whether said churches will decide to perform them.
3. Our laws are not based on what any particular religion declares to be
the will of God. This isn't a theocracy.4. We're all just as
married now as we were before gay marriage was allowed. 5. The "gay
lifestyle" is pretty much the same as the "lifestyle" the rest of us
enjoy. Work, keep the house and yard kept up, get the kids fed and off to
school, etc., etc.. Although this may surprise a few people, it's not about
orgies, drag queens and recruiting straight people to become gay. 6.
People don't choose to be gay any more than the rest of us chose to be
straight. Ask yourself, when did I ponder the two options and, after debating
it, decide to be straight? It just doesn't work that way. After all, no
rational person would opt for being gay in countries where it results in prison
or death, now would they?
@ Aephelps14 You really have never met a typical traditional family with a
man-father, woman- mother and kids? You must not get out much. You mention the
LDS description of masculine and feminine. What would that be? I've never
seen or heard that description in my more than 50 yrs as a member.
If your argument against marriage equality uses the word "God" it is
invalid in the United States of America. Read your first amendment.
It is often the case in comments concerning articles like this one, that the
best option for raising a child is in a two parent family with a father and
mother. I always believed that how parent(s) nurture and care for
their children was the most important criterion for good outcomes. My three
brothers, and a cousin, and I were raised in a household with only one parent,
my mother. My father died when we were all quite young. Guess what? We all
turned out really well, all college graduates with very successful careers and
wonderful families, all thanks to my mother, who did it alone.The
U.S. Census figures for 2011 showed that there were 13.7 million single parents
raising 22 million children, 26% of whom were under the age of 21. The reality is that there are many forms of parenting, not always conforming
to the norm of one father, one mother. I don’t understand why people
would dismiss same-sex parenting, when it really is all about the care and
nurturing that parents can provide.
apparently the mayor does not represent his constituents, the majority of who
are against gay marriage.
@SalleyOMalley: I guess you haven't taken the time to get to know very many
gay people in your life, but they clearly understand that they have the right
to marry someone of the opposite sex. They are actually seeking the ability to
marry the ones they love. And since heterosexuals will also have the right to
marry people of the same sex once gay marriage is allowed in every state, please
explain how that would give gays any special rights.
@ DowntimeYou wrote: " Society and these children raised by homosexual
couples will vindicate those who work against the recognition of gay
marriage". Wow!!! How I can define this statement,.. fear mongering perhaps
and others less polite. However, I wanted to comment on the lack of love implied
here. You want to be right regardless the consequences... Fortunately, you are
wrong. The vindication that true Christian will receive is that God love all his
children regardless of their sexual orientation. Marriage is a sacred
institution and LGBT want to take part of it. To all opposed to
SSM:Please go to the Washington Post and read the the Virginia
decision about declaring the ban on SSM unconstitutional. Judge Arenda
Wright-Allen did a wonderful job in writing and addressing all the concerns
presented on this newspaper for the last few years regarding SSM.If
you want to keep on speculating without any reasonable argument, feel free. If
you want the opinion of a knowledgeable person. Please read this decision, you
may still disagree but you will better informed.
@mrjj69 and everyone else saying he's not listening to his constituents...
are you sure? I mean, he's the mayor of Salt Lake City, probably one of the
most liberal parts in the second most liberal county (behind whatever Park
City's county is called) in the state. Yes the majority in Utah oppose
same-sex marriage but Salt Lake City has got to be pushing around 50-50 if not
around 55-45 for it.
I would like to know how many of these democratic Mayors are being promised
higher office if they capitulate? That seems to be the only way the democrats
can get things done.
Promiscuous sex is intimate sex outside of heterosexual marriage which would
include intimate homosexual relations and heterosexual relations between people
who are not married to each other. If we really had a chaste society, divorce
and it's horrible effects on children and society would be significantly
reduced, venereal disease would be totally eliminated, pornography and sex
crimes would be eliminated. Sounds like a pretty good society. But if Gay
marriage is legalized, then it won't be long before polygamous and
polyamorous "families" will be legalized (these"families" are
anxiously looking forward to it). And what's to prevent legalization of
three or more gay people from getting "married?" The long term effects
socially chaotic effects of gay marriage and what will follow will be disastrous
for our society. Given the serious problems we presently have in our society,
whatever our sexual inclinations are, isn't it time for us to start living
in a mature and responsible way and to discourage selfish, irresponsible sexual
behavior. "Live a chaste life." Is that too much to ask and expect of
our fellow citizens?
This cat has gotten its' head and shoulders out of the bag. The rest will
Becker's playing to his base. SLC per capita is more gay than most cities
in America. The irony of that is that it's because the LDS are so tolerant
of others. Gay people have found a safe haven in the midst of the welcoming and
docile population who let them go about their daily lives in peace where other
cities would not. But the problem now is that the same gay
population that found a safe haven within the LDS communities is trying to step
on the religious beliefs of the local people. Their gay pride parades and
constant public protests, as well as their continual anti-religious agenda is
putting off the locals who were so welcoming in the first place.
@sj: "@ BOB God is always God.. even if you don't believe in Him.
Remember - Jesus chased the sinning money changers out of the temple. " Ah, I see, YOUR god is a so called "Christian" god, correct?
There are many other religions that do not share YOUR view of this
"god". I guess those people don't count, eh SJ? YOUR "god"
appears exclusionary and many find that distasteful to say the least, I'll
have no part of that. But I will still defend YOUR right to practice YOUR faith
under YOUR own vine and tree. Leave equal rights under the constitution to the
The dismantling of marriage to be a catch all misses its purpose. It is a
higher calling to raise children with all the inherit qualities provided by a
woman and a man. To contrive it into the image of two men or two women will be
a disservice to children, ultimately society, and then mankind. Why you ask?
The path or the end state of same-sex marriage is not known by anyone. The
religious people have an idea from the Book of Revelations, story of Noah, and
the story of Lot. But what does the secularist bring to the table to describe
the end of this road? Really? Such a colossal change of societal structure and
no one can describe the outcome. If the world had started with same-sex
marriage none of us would be here.