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Published: Thursday, Feb. 13 2014 12:50 p.m. MST

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just-a-fan
Bountiful, UT

I am not a fan of divisionals for one reason: the elimination of region tournaments. The region tournaments have some of the best matchups of the season. Rivalries are already within the regions and it is so much fun watching these athletes go after it.Would there be a way of having a region tournament and divisionals?

I am not completely sure that this system will bring the best wrestling to the state tournament. Besides, is it wrong for a team that has been dominant all year to be somewhat penalized by not having a region tournament where they might qualify more wrestlers. For many years the region system worked and while there are times when the two best wrestlers in a weight class end up on the same side of the bracket, the divisionals do not eliminate this problem.

I think there are some teams and coaches who want to change the system as a way to help their own agenda. Certain teams like PG were dominant with regions and remain dominant. I see some coaches are saying, "If we can't win under the current system, let's change the rules.

HeberFYFA
HEBER CITY, UT

You can still have region tournaments if your region wants to. That is left up to the region. Have the region tournament the week before the divisionals,just like two of the 3A regions.
Divisionals are the way to go.

happyfan
Taylorsville, UT

The UHSAA has long maintained that regions have been the basis for qualifying for almost all sports. Wrestling has had divisionals as outlined in the article. If the argument is for equity and getting the best wrestlers to state and separated, that should also be applied to all sports. What about the football teams in Region 6 (Clearfield, Cyprus) how difficult is it to turn around those programs in tough regions? If the best two wrestlers need to be separated what about the best two football, basketball and all the other teams? I would argue that 75 kids on two football teams should be separated just as much or more than two wrestlers that can still take third if they lose. What about the tennis players, divisional? If the UHSAA believes wrestling should use divisionals, then the qualifying process for all sports needs to be put on the table and evaluated because athletes in all sports should be treated fairly.

eagle
Provo, UT

Here's another concept just-a-fan, decide the actual region champion by dual meet competitions. It seems to really work in 5A and makes every dual meet that more exciting. But as HeberFYFA said above, regions can still hold their tournaments, as they do in 3A now.

eagle
Provo, UT

The main concern or difference between say football and wrestling is that in football you are dealing with one team or one entity. In wrestling you have 14 different weights and each team potentially having the ability to bring two wrestlers in each weight. All of these components configure the team sport. So it is important as the article states that the brackets are right and the best wrestlers are at the tournament. Plus wrestling is an individual sport and the best wrestlers should be at the state tournament. I think this is why the vast, vast majority of coaches support this concept.

eagle
Provo, UT

Also, divisonals were actually used in tennis but for some reason the UHSAA or administrators went away from them. But this seems to be the choice of the coaches in tennis not wrestling. But for any individual sport, they would work (swimming, tennis for sure). For sports like golf and track, the UHSAA have set standards for qualifying for state where one doesn't or shouldn't have to be a prisoner to being in a tough region. In any individual sport, where team scores are kept, need to have the best individuals there.

The only reason the 4A team race is that close is that Mountain Crest brought 19 wrestlers to state vs. 13 for Maple Mountain. A divisional would likely even this out as it would for the teams in the middle and lower part of the standings.

Also many years ago in baseball and basketball all the teams qualified for the playoffs. The wrestling coaches have talked about letting all wrestlers across the state come to an individual tournament and then have the team champion determined by a dual meet competition. That way strength of regions is not a factor in qualifying individuals.

Rural sport fan
DUCHESNE, UT

Sure wish they would use divisional a in small school track. Every year the schools in my region leave kids home that could have placed in state, because we only get three places qualified into state out of region , while some regions get 4 or 5. But we have 12 kids in an event, they have 4.

The inequities are obvious, the divisional works in wrestling...come on UHSAA, make it happen!

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