LDS Liberal:I am probably on the opposite of the political spectrum
as you are, nevertheless, I do agree with many of the things that you posted
here.We are to be good stewards of the earth and whenever possible
help the poor.However the government cannot force us to do these
things. These desires must come out of the heart and after teaching your
posterity and those around you the things that you know to be true.Honestly though, about the political parties, I think they are two sides of
the same coin and both are leading us into ruin. Salvation will not be found in
any political party, but in obeying the will of God as shown through His
scriptures and prophets.
All the analyses in the world, of demographics, percentages, etc., won't
answer the title's question. Because at heart, faith is a matter of
*individuals*, not of "segments of the population."Each
individual has his/her own experience of God or no-God. Group sing-alongs of
whatever persuasion will never account for real faith, or the lack of it. That
can only reside in an individual, and it's an ongoing journey for each of
us. It's only when we join one of those group sing-alongs and *never*
sound a discordant note that our journey is aborted. (And this, too, says
something about our faith.)Perhaps that's why, while religious
people and atheists (all so often mediagenic) duke it out with each other, more
and more people are softly calling themselves "spiritual but not
religious."Spirit is everywhere--how could it be otherwise? But
I highly recommend putting all these studies aside and discovering where your
own spirit would lead you. If you'd allow it to.
@ LDS Liberal: "I acknowledge Science as Truth"Science is not Truth. Science is a METHOD, intended to arrive at Truth. The
process is fraught with and confounded by assumptions, unknowns, and biases both
intellectual and political. It is estimated that more than two-thirds of
published research studies are not reproducible. This is a big conversation
among scientists and statisticians right now, in the highest caliber of
scientific journals.So please, don't be too accepting of
scientific research publications as Truth. They are groping for Truth.I love being a scientist. (It's my day job.) At the same time, I keenly
understand that science has limitations and should be kept in its proper
perspective.Of course, I regard all the research articles I have
published as Truth. ;) lol
To: BeSmartI disagree. I think that 30% sounds about right. Maybe
30% are not atheists but I believe about 30% are non-religious. If you count up
all the agnostics, atheists, non-believers, and non-religious then I think the
number is close to 30%.Remember the LDS church claims to have 14
million people but only 3-4 million of those people have been to church in the
last year or two. The other 10-11 million are counted on the roll but should
"Did we first give up on God and so become calm and rich? Or did we become
calm and rich, and so give up on God?"Interesting: Would I have
been more inclined to clutch the Church if life had been economically and
physically tougher? I don't know. I think it would depend on whether the
economic or physical deprivation would have affected the way my brain works. I
had a hard time believing religion from an early age. It all seemed so
transparently...HUMAN. I would have been able to come up with a much more
consistent, powerful, and mature god if someone had asked me.I've actually experienced far more amazement and wonder learning about
nature and the cosmos than I ever did in a religious context. What is behind it
all, if anything? I don't know and I'm not sure it's even
relevant to me. I get to experience it, it's filled with wonders, and I -
the particles that make up this body of mine - will be apart of it whether
I'm alive or dead. I think that's pretty darn cool.
This title is way way off.30 percent of people don't consider
themselves religious.studies have shown that atheist make up .7 to 2
percent of the population.This title really needs to be fixed wow.
When families and their children are excluded in a neighborhood, but constantly
encouraged to attend the prominent Utah church, what does that say?We will
be your friend, and let your children associate with our children, if you attend
I go to Church, only to bristle and be offened each and every week.I
am a Mormon, and a Disciple of Jesus Christ -- as such, I see
serving the poor, the sick and the needy -- as key to our own Salvation, I
seek to tend and take care of this Earth, I acknowledge Science as Truth,
I invite ALL to come to Church, especially the sinner.but there are those who will always place Republican vs. Democrat over God,
Country, and Faith.Personally loosing Faith? hardly.Finding
Answers and Peace at Church? That's where it fails us.
Maybe it is caused by the extreme ways that religious fanatics make them feel.
There is so much condemnation done by people in religion!
@Scott H – “I suppose excellence is in the eye of the
beholder.”Keep in mind the article was a book review and not
an essay (i.e., so it was not going to follow the standard
thesis-body-conclusion format).Aside from that what was it about the
content you didn’t like?
I suppose excellence is in the eye of the beholder. Mr. Gopnik's article
includes some interesting items, but I'm afraid I found it horridly
tedious. Does he ever really make a point that renders the article worth
My one complaint with the otherwise excellent (linked) New Yorker article is the
author’s failure to recognize the political motivations for the rise of
“New Atheism” – namely, the rise and disproportionate
political influence of the Religious Right in this country, and of course 9-11
(which woke us all up to the sobering reality that Islam is more than just a
“religion of peace”). That said, the author makes a
number of poignant observation, my two favorite are first this quote:“The plausible opposite of “permanent scientific
explanation” is “singular poetic description,” not
“miraculous magical intercession.”And 2nd, that our
differences (both religious & political) are largely ones of temperament.
A good read… thanks DN.
I don't believe we have lost our faith in God, I think we have lost our
hope for the country. I think more people don't go to church, and
therefore the children never get exposed to religion. If people don't have
choices, they will pick the easiest.