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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 11 2014 8:50 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

As sad as this is, this is the right decision. Laws need to be upheld and if not, there are still consequences, even if tragedy occurred during crime.

Feel horrible for him. And hopefully this is the last time someone goes BASE jumping there.

cscopper
AMERICAN FORK, UT

I love how the decency of mankind has been completely brainwashed out of the majority of the "peace" officers in the country.

I hope they feel proud when they go home. What greater good did it serve issuing this man a ticket?

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

I knew Amber personally. This hits home for me. The loss her husband has is more than enough. This is just rubbing salt in the wound. I would just tell them to buzz off.

DanB
Portland, OR

They were "experienced" base jumpers. They had to have known what they were doing was against the law.

Unfortunately this husband will pay far more than any fine that can be levied against him and will be sentenced to a lifetime (not six months) of remembering his wife's brutal death.

Let's hope the base jumping community learns something from this otherwise her death was in vain.

Tyler McArthur
South Jordan, UT

Wow... way to add insult to injury. As if losing his wife wasn't enough, some judge felt like it was necessary to rub it in a little bit more. The consequences were already realized, why pile on the additional citation? How inhumane.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I hope they feel proud when they go home. What greater good did it serve issuing this man a ticket?"

I also hope people enforcing the law take pride in what they do.

But, if one even has to ask the question, what greater good is served by enforcing the law without fear or favor, there's really not much hope anyone will ever be able to explain it to him.

Sad.

billster36
Nies, MI

Look, here is a man who has suffered a great loss, his beloved wife has died and he was unable to save her. What shall we do? Shall we grieve with him? Or shall we add to his loss, shall we add insult to his grievous injury, and rub salt into a festering wound? I am saddened to see what we, through our law enforcement representatives, have chosen to do. And my friends, do not forget that WE, THE PEOPLE have chosen to allow these law officers to represent us. It is not some amorphous "thsm" that has done this disgraceful thing. It is we. THEY are simply OUR representatives.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

I think they need to enforce this to let others know they can't do this. However, I think the judge will be very lenient and probably let him off easy. He's already paid a very high price for his irresponsible behavior.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Hmmm. Drunk driver crashes and kills someone. Some brainwashed officer decides to ticket him and rub it in a little more. Hasn't he already "paid the price"? Maybe he should just tell them to buzz off...

(Still looking for a sarcasm font)

Amen, procuradorfiscal...

Lolly
Lehi, UT

Although both comments to give or not to give a citation are correct in principal, memories of the father in Utah County whose 2 year son slipped out of his truck while he looked for a place to hunt and died comes to mind. Grief filled the father's mind and heart but no one paid attention to what he was going through. The judge sentenced him to jail "which was the thing to do" and he went back to the place of his son's death and took his own life.

Clayton has paid the ultimate price already with the death of his wife of only two weeks. Adding to it another penalty may or may not make sense but I am glad I don't have to make the decision. Charging seems to be the thing to do, but hopefully someone is paying attention to the mental condition of Clayton. Hopefully there will be no unintended consequences this time.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

Trajic accident. I'm sorry for this young man's loss and that of her family.

The unfortunate death of his spouse just pours vinegar into his wound of receiving a citation for illegal activity in a national park.

TiCon2
Cedar City, UT

Most of these federal citations are nearly toothless, so I wouldn't worry too much about the guy having to pay the fine. From experience handling citations in national parks, it's likely to be about $500 or so.

Thankfully we have officers who at least try to look at situations as Lady Justice would - blindfolded for objectivity.

defibman
Syracuse, UT

My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one under any circumstances, however they knew the law and did not stop to think about what could happen or why the law is the way it is. There is a reason why we have laws. I for one think that they should slap a heavy fine on him due to the fact that a law was broken and the result caused a death of a person. If that other person was a friend, would you think that it would change things? A death is a death is a death. We have laws and this law is a good one as was proven.

To those who disagree with that, would it be okay to drink and drive and kill your child or spouse and not do anything? Come on people get a clue as to why we have laws!

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If both husband and wife had OBEYED the law, both would be alive today.

If we allow violations of the law, any law, to go unpunished then the law is effectively worthless and toothless and such actions breed contempt for all laws.

However, in the larger picture, we are becoming a nation where obedience to the law is no longer the expected norm, and disobedience is accepted. (Immigration and Obamacare changes leap to mind.)

Enforce the laws, all of them, even on grieving husbands, and perhaps that will deter others from doing illegal things that have bad consequences. Or, accept anarchy and the bad consequences from lawlessness.

Twardy
Folsom, CA

There is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. All peace officers learn that during the academy. If you think he should be cited for this, do you also believe that every motorist who is pulled over should get a ticket? Pretty sure you would like a warning now and then.
This is not about "enforcing the laws without prejudice" it's about the spirit of the law and humanity. Absolutely horrible choice to give him a citation.

Marty McFly
Hilldale, CA

The notion that issuing a citation (after the fact) will deter future aspiring BASE jumpers is laughable.

I'm pretty sure that if the risk of death doesn't deter jumpers, then the risk of receiving a citation won't do much either.

Condolences to the family. What a tragedy.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

Citing the husband was correct IMO. He also base jumped. To ignore the act is to condone and send message that the park or authorities tacitily approve of BASE jumping or will not enforce the law, thereby allowing other extreme sports junkies to believe they can BASE jump with impunity.

The death of the lady is tragic, sad and mournful. Had she been injured, would she have been charged for the cost of rescue and extrication from the site, or would the park eat the cost? What about others who disrupt, even endanger their lives to rescue/recover people who put themselves in harm's way for recreation?

Had she been injured would she have sued the park for having an attractive nusance?

Most days we are the pigeons to life's statues, some days we are the statue. Just sayin'.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I'm personally conflicted on this. On the one hand these two were fools for jumping off of a cliff, it is simply a stupid "sport" and no one with any sort of common sense would engage in it. There is also the fact that it impacts, and even endangers, other people.

But on the otherhand I am tired of this mentality that we need to charge and prosecute everyone over every single thing they do. There is no leeway for actual justice anymore, it is all about getting everyone a permanent record for whatever their trangression might be.

When I was a kid if a kid did something that was against the rules, the cops would usually just take you home and let your dad take care of you. Of course it was understood then that your dad actually would take care of you and my dad certainly did. But now days they've got to get you on record and prosecuted, make sure it follows you around for the rest of your life regardless of how minor the infraction may be.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

So you break the law and it causes death and tragedy....so what?

The law suddenly does not apply any more?

Whether it deters future jumpers or not is irrelevant. The law is the law. You can't selectively pick and choose just because someone may be grieving.

Hypothetical I rob a bank with my brother. He gets killed in the ensuing car chase/gun battle. I should not get a fine? I should not have to go to jail? I should not be held accountable?

You people really need to get a grip. If you don't agree with the law get it changed.

Selective enforcement based on emotional events is just plain adolescent thinking.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

I believe it is correct to issue the citation. Law enforcement should not pick and choose based upon circumstances whether or not to enforce the law.

It will now be up to the Judicial system to decide how "justice" is met in this violation of law. I believe that is where circumstances need to be taken into account.

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