Published: Tuesday, Feb. 11 2014 12:00 a.m. MST
Some have spoken of bribes. I don't know whether it classes as bribery, but
it is the giving of gifts in the hopes of receiving votes. It seems to happen
more before convention than after, for the candidate often doesn't have
enough money to buy something for all the voters, but does have enough to buy
something when the number of electors is reduced to just the delegates.
Breakfast is served in the name of meeting the candidate. Is that akin to a
bribe? If the candidate didn't think it would do some good, he or she
wouldn't be buying those breakfasts. And, the delegate does have a tendency
to consider the breakfast a nice gesture and to accept the goodwill as reason to
vote for the candidate. It's hardly an outright bribe, but it is the
influence of money.
Witness Chris Stewart sending books to the delegates. Witness the chances of a
restaurant meal for delegates in the caucus-convention system versus a
restaurant meal for voters once the race is past convention.Candidates
might offer donuts and hot chocolate while campaigning after convention, but
there are not too many sit-down meals after convention. It could be argued that
rather than reducing the influence of money, the caucus-convention system
actually is the right-sized playground for it, at least the right-sized
playground for gift-giving.
@RedShirt 12:56 p.m. Feb. 11, 2014You realize, don't you (since
I've said it often enough) that I'm a mainstream Republican and have
been a Republican since 1969 when I turned 21 years of age and became eligible
to vote. why do you think I would have any interest in what is going on in a
caucus or primary for the Democrat party? As to why I stick with the
Republicans when they have been hijacked to the far right fringes and only the
far right fringe-dwellers have any say in what happens -- I am echoing the
thoughts of Sen. Carl Schurz (R-Missouri, 1869-75), who said: "My country,
right or wrong. When right, keep it right; when wrong, put it right." My
party is going WAY wrong, and I am trying to put it right.
To "Furry1993" unfortunately you are wrong. The Republican party has
been hijacked by Progressives, just like the Democrat party. The only
difference between them is how fast they are marching towards socialism. The
Tea Party and other similar groups are trying to get the Republican Party to
return to its conservative roots.You may want to caucus for the
Democrats because they could be more aligned with your values. The point I was
making is that if you don't feel that your voice is being heard by the
Republican party, maybe there is another political party that does match your
values. Just because you were a Republican in 1969 does not mean you have to
remain a Republican today.To quote Ronald Reagan (and others) "I
didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me". If the party is
no longer what you believe in, what is holding you there?
@RedShirtWhat's holding me in the Republican Party? The
desire to recover it from the far right fringes and return it to what it should
be (and what it was prior to the early 1990s when it was hijacked far right).
When the policies of people like Barry Goldwater (Mr. Conservative, who defined
conservatism in the 1960s) and Ronald Reagan would cause people to call them
RINOs and when they couldn't win a place on a general ballot because
they're not far right wing enough, you KNOW that there is something
drastically wrong with the Republican Party. As Sen. Carl Schurz (R-Missouri,
1869-75), said (as I quoted above): "My country, right or wrong. When right,
keep it right; when wrong, put it right." My party is going WAY wrong, and I
am trying to put it right.
To "Furry1993" you do realize that people like Ronald Reagan would be
called "far right extremists" by today's Republicans. Even JFK
would be called a "far right extremist" by today's standards.So, which is it. Do you want to return to Reagan values of small
government and tax rates that encourage growth and hiring? Or do you want to go
with the mainstream GOP and just be a slow moving Progressive?If
Bush and McCain are examples of the party mainstream, take a close look at their
policies. They are exactly the same in nature as the extreme left in the
Democrat party. The only difference is magnitude.So the question
becomes are you going with the mainstream Progressives in the GOP or are you
going with the Tea Party and that group that wants to return to the Reagan idea
of limited government.
I have attended caucus meetings. It didn't represent the majority
neighborhood. And to Mike Richards comments ....who are these "party
elites"? The party I once called my own isso fractured. The party elites
are now the people or groups (such as the Eagle Forum) who marshal the most
troops to the caucus meetings. It does not represent the peoples views.
I have personally seen candidates meet with delegates at lunches that the
candidates paid for.But since politicians often get their meals paid for by
lobbyists some may not see this as a problem. Another issue I have with the
caucus system is that it sometimes is not possible for everyone to attend the
caucus. Some people have to work in the evening, some people are away serving
their country in the military(they can vote in primaries and general elections
by absentee ballot), some people are away serving their Church on Missions, and
some may either be sick themselves or have sick children. In addition there is
a group of people who may attend but cannot legally participate, these people
are Federal Employees(such as those who work at Hill AFB) and Active Duty
Military personnel who are registered to vote in Utah.
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