Debt ceiling raised again. Tea Party diminished substantially. Again.
Sandy, wonder why you're not welcome in the GOP? Beliefs and statements
like these "... educated, informed, hard working Americans who care about
the constitution and bill of rights." ...polite ... AmeriKa. ... Socialism
... another Tea Party in the late 1700's ... "Utah is a
bubble in the real world of politics. Utah's GOP is a bubble within a
bubble. Utah's T Party is a bubble within a bubble within a bubble.
Insignificant and fragile. Not needed or heeded in the real world.
Very well said Sandy. I agree 100%. The Tea Party is the Boogie Man for liberals
and for RINO's. The reason? The Tea Party is made of educated, informed,
hard working Americans who care about the constitution and bill of rights. Tea
Party members are polite but uncompromising especially with those would turn
America into AmeriKa. Socialism has no place in America and The Tea Party is the
ONLY organized group of people who will stand against Socialism and for our
constitutional government. Because the Tea Party is uncompromising they are
hated. If you recall history there was another Tea Party in the late 1700's
that was also hated by the establishment...both the establishment in England and
here in America.
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTA 3rdparty (no matter how good)
could never compete...======Yes, if the ideas were good
enough.The problem is, you are a super minority, and insist on making
other believe as you do.Tell you what, Come up with a BETTER
idea, and people will listen.When your group insist that the Earth
is only 6,000 years old, Global Warming isn't happening, Science is lie, the sick, the poor, and the neeedy deserve their
sorrows, "legitimate" rape spontaneously abort themselves, Corporations are looking out for their employees livelihoods, -- YOU
will loose each and evey time.
MaverickRe: "If the tea party is really as great as Sandy thinks
it is, why don't they form their own party and swim while letting the GOP
continue to sink"?TeaParty alone can't win anything. I
think Conservative values (less spending, less consumption, less government
force, less taxes, etc) are a better direction. I realize many Americans want
that but won't vote for it (Because THEIR government program will get cut).
And they could never vote for that (even if they wanted less government
spending).It's a necessary evil that Conservatives connect and
vote with Republicans. We almost never agree with Democrats.A
3rdparty (no matter how good) could never compete with the organization,
funding, and plain unadulterated brain-washing that's part of the current
Democrat-Republican establishment.We are not stupid. We know that
going out on our own (as you suggest) only insures Democrats win. I tried it several times and only helped the Democrat win. I won't do
that again (Even if I disagree with the Republican on some things). I will
instead try to influence the party from inside. There are still many
Conservatives in the Republican party.
Mr. J.Your comments are the most valid and correct of this blog!Historic interpretation supports your comment. Thank you for actually
putting something on here that's real and not opinion.Here's an interesting opinion: "If Reagan were around today, he
would not stand a chance because of the extreme right in his own party"
Isn't that a shame!
Roland KayserRE: "Republicans only like "small
government" when Democrats are in power"....You are making
the classic mistake of equating "Republicans" and
"Conservatives".You are right. Republicans like big
government (especially when a GOP guy is President). But you are wrong if you
think Conservatives like big government (regardless of who is President).I am a "Conservative" (not a Republican).-I (and
other Conservatives) didn't like the expansion of government spending and
government regulation during the Bush Administration any more than we like it
during the Obama Administration. Conservatives fought against it then too, but
didn't win.-I (and other Conservatives) didn't like the
Patriot Act when Bush proposed it (on Constitutional grounds), and I didn't
like it when Obama expanded it. Remember "radical" conservative groups
opposing it then? But we didn't win (too many Republicans are not
"Conservatives").-I (and other Conservatives) didn't
like the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill" Bush proposed.
Conservative groups from within his own party are what finally shutdown
Bush's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill (not Democrats).Conservatives are somewhat consistent (not ruled by the GOP). Democrats and
Republicans are not.
The GOP...If they can't keep thier Nosey Business OUT of whom is Marrying
whom, they're probing women's Prvt Parts........small gov't,
The tea party tantrum lead by our Senator was the end of the tea party outside
of blogs and unreasonable letters.
Right on, Sandy!
Include the tea party, as if the tea party would play well with the others?Face it, the tea party was given a chance. What did they do with their
chance? Get rid of several GOP members, obstruct everything, and shut down the
government. If the tea party feels it's being excluded now by
the GOP, it has only itself to blame.
Let'em go...Let'em go....Bye bye.
Sandy, everyone I know is still free and still brave.
Sandy: The choice is a hard one, no question. On the one hand, if the Teas and
the Pubs can work together they can dominate the U.S. House of Representatives
and perhaps even the Senate. On the other hand the Boehner led majority, know
that if they continue down that road the Presidency will be the permanent
possession of the Democrats. The principles of the Tea party while a big seller
in Utah and a few other States, they are a non-starter for the nation at large.
Hence devil is once again in the details. Stay the dominant party in the
Congress or change direction and become once again a political force in national
Based on what T-partiers say, they don't want to be Republicans anymore. It
sounds to me like they want a totally unregulated, "every man for
himself," Somalia-style society which would be a nightmare for all of us. I
respect mainstream Republicans who propose conservative improvements to our
national house without threatening to burn it down.
Ah, an amusing letter. "The good old days weren't always good, tomorrow
ain't as bad as it seems" (Billy Joel). This a great example of how
perception is not reality. If shutting down the government is your objective
then your teaps are doing a bang up job, hurting all but the select.
I for the life of me can not figure out this utopia the tea party keeps on
Hearing " There's nothing I'd like more than to change our
country and transform it back into the land of the free and home of the
brave", doesn't really know much about our history. I would ask, When
was America more free than now? Certainly we have more laws and regulations,
but I am a believer of the quote "the law shall make you free".The truth is that the freedom of all people comes from taking freedom from
business minded people. So, if you are a businessman, your freedom has been
diminished. But if you are one of the vast majority of people in America your
freedom has been advanced. However we still have a long way to go
in the civilization of human beings before we can be labeled as the home of the
re: embarrassed Utahn!"The Bush administration did more harm to
our nation than any in history. And Sandy Thackery wrote many many letters in
support of Bush: The worst president in our country's history."I don't know about that. LBJ (also from Texas (ironically?)) could
be thought of the worst.
If the tea party is really as great as Sandy thinks it is, why don't they
form their own party and swim while letting the GOP continue to sink?
Ask the people around Zion's Park how the Tea Party and Lee helped them out
just recently. I don't think we can afford more of their antics.
Its obvious that the gop needs to splinter. The Reagan wing has been
marginalized; 1st by the the theocratic right and now by the tea party.
I have some news for Sandy. If the Republicans continue to cater to the Tea
Party extremists they will lose the next elections. They have to be more
moderate to pick up that huge segment of independents. And who will the Tea
Party vote for? Are they going to vote for a liberal Democrat just because the
Republican candidate is too moderate? I do not think so. They will vote for the
"lesser of two evils."
The problem with the TEA party is that when you shrink the size of government
you reduce the industries from which politicians can get campaign contributions
to push policies in favor of one side or the other. Most long term Republicans
are in the political favor business - just to a lesser extent than most
Democrats. If government no longer has its hand in everything, who is going to
contribute to their campaigns. The reason we should support the TEA party
politicians is that they are championing causes which work against their
political interests (but in the interests of the people as a whole). Why else
would they be so demonized for the radical view that government should not spend
more than it takes in. You can answer almost any question in Washington by
simply following the money.
In order to be relevant again the GOP must step away from so-called 'social
issues'; gay marriage, abortion, birth control etc. The country has moved
past them. The TeaParty just can't and the GOP follows the Reagan law,
'Speak no ill of another Republican'.The GOP has a
legitimate role in US government concerning fiscal policy. But they have to
find someone more connected with reality. Romney may have been the one but he
pandered to the TeaParty and lost. Christy would've also been a good
candidate but he's also just about ruined it.Jindal said the
GOP has to "stop being the stupid party". May be they should nominate
It's all Obama's fault. Riiiiight.
You are so right, Sandy. Without these principles expounded by Tea Party
affiliates the GOP seems to be floundering and might as well be a part of the
I was just reading in article in Governing Magazine that the state of Texas is
the last "big" reliable red state, but that is threatened with its
shrinking white population and growing Hispanics who are sensitive to
immigration and interested in helping immigrants get public education to reach
the American Dream. Rick Perry on the campaign trail got hammered by
conservatives when he said he supported illegal immigrant children to get a free
public education.It seems that Texas' independent mindedness
works both ways -- they may hate federal government intrusions, but they also
hate outside conservatives telling it what to do regarding immigration as well.
While the GOP may value "freedom," for many immigrants and
non-whites, that freedom largely means freedom for whites and oppression for
everyone else. The GOP needs to look at their values and figure out
how to make these values work for non-whites, which is the fastest growing
segment of America's population.
And I join millions in gratitude for a great president who has made measurable
progress at regaining our world-leader status. The Bush
administration did more harm to our nation than any in history. And Sandy
Thackery wrote many many letters in support of Bush: The worst president in our
country's history.It absolutely tickles me to know that the
next President will also cause much grief for Tea Partiers and Republicans!!!Go Hillary!!!!
"There's nothing I'd like more than to change our country and
transform it back into the land of the free and the home of the brave. "As long as we can tell you what you can and can't do with your
body, where you buy your liquor, who you can marry, etc. etc., and we have an
all volunteer military.
If only we could get back to the good ole days of yesteryear (2000-2006) when
the beloved GOP controlled the all 3 branches. The sun would shine, the flowers
bloom, and the universe could again be in balance.Please people.
Just pull the "R" lever. Don't we all want to live in Sandy's
Utopia?(disclaimer, No where did I advocate voting Democrat as a
Republicans only like "small government" when Democrats are in power.
The GOP loves big government as long as they are the ones running it. The only
president in the last sixty years to actually shrink government was Bill
Clinton. Under Bush Jr. the government grew at the fastest rate since Lyndon
Johnson. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr. all liked big government just fine.