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Leno, others misunderstood BYU-Idaho anti-porn video, president says

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  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    Feb. 17, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    "If you are a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you have to expect that from time to time you will be the recipient of scorn and ridicule, because you believe things and know things are true that are not fashionable and that other people will poke fun at and even ridicule or heap scorn on you. When it happens, say, well, that’s okay. That’s what we believe, we know it is true, and we stay the course."

    Hard to swallow, but definitely, painfully true.

  • Elliott Bay Seattle, WA
    Feb. 13, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    'The laughter of the world is merely loneliness pathetically trying to reassure itself.'- Neal A. Maxwell —

    Like so many other counterfeits, pornography only serves to isolate us from the ideal.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    re: jeanie

    "Mormons are not trying to be like the rest of America."

    Then, why all the hoopla when... Marie Osmond has issues, Mitt ran for President, Detmer won the Heisman, or Glenn Beck says, or Amy Adams, Paul Walker were members????

  • grip Meridian, ID
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    People tend to be down on what they are not up on. I listened to Leno one time and felt he was not up on much.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Feb. 10, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    (continued)

    @ cjb - Bountiful, UT - "I am puzzled as to why non violent porn is spiritually harmful and why intimacy in marriage is not. ..... If anyone has a (logical) explanation please feel free to share it with someone who is trying to understand."

    Answer #3: (A spiritual answer, not just pure logic, but it helped me immensely. This is the Lord speaking...)

    3 Nephi 28:34-35....

    "And wo be unto him that will not hearken unto the words of Jesus, and ALSO to them whom he hath chosen and sent among them; for whoso receiveth not the words of Jesus AND the words of those whom he hath sent receiveth not him; and therefore he will NOT receive them at the last day;

    And it would be better for them if they had not been born. For do ye suppose that ye can get rid of the justice of an offended God, who hath been trampled under feet of men, that thereby salvation might come?"

    Yes, we should try to understand things, but if we don't and the Lord has spoken, the time to still obey is now. Yes, with some things it is hard, but obey we must.

    Good luck!

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Feb. 10, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    @ cjb - Bountiful, UT - "I am puzzled as to why non violent porn is spiritually harmful and why intimacy in marriage is not. ..... If anyone has a (logical) explanation please feel free to share it with someone who is trying to understand."

    cjb - I appreciate your honesty. I asked the same question myself years ago.

    I'll give you 3 answers:

    1 - Non-violent porn often leads to other more aggressive kinds of pornography. To those who have ever seen pornography, if they look at it for long, almost anyone would be forced to admit that there becomes a pull to see 'more', both in quantity and in explicitness. If non-violent porn leads to violent porn, what "good" did it do or bring?

    2 - Like alcohol, perhaps there are those who in fact can see/consume things and not become addicted. But most cannot. I believe that pornography, like alcohol, should be avoided by those who (perhaps) 'can' view/consume it and not be hurt in order to set a good exmaple for those who cannot. Those who can't handle it would see those that can and then try it themselves and be destroyed.

    See my next post for #3...

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    Feb. 10, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    Article quote: "If you are a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, you have to expect that from time to time you will be the recipient of scorn and ridicule, because you believe things and know things are true that are not fashionable and that other people will poke fun at and even ridicule or heap scorn on you. When it happens, say, well, that’s okay. That’s what we believe, we know it is true, and we stay the course.” - BYU-Idaho President Kim Clark"

    Stay the course.

    Amen to that!

  • my3cents Nashville, TN
    Feb. 10, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    I went to that school 40 years ago when it had a different name. There was a culture then of snitching on friends and roommates. Both the school and church leaders seemed to encourage it. This, it seems to me, is a bigger issue, and the genesis of this whole story.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    Feb. 10, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    I didn't expect Deseret News to pick up on this as well. In any case, it will all pass like everything else.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:14 p.m.

    No humor in religion.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:13 p.m.

    CJB,
    the difference is intimacy in marriage is about love, growth, caring about your spouse. Viewing pornography is selfishness. It is done to merely satisfy someone's sexual desires. JustYouTube Ted Bundy's last interview before he was executed for violently raping and murdering innocent women. it gives a great understanding on how destructive pornography is.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    Sounds like a lot of people here are trying to minimize the impact of pornography on an individual. Some are even claiming it's not an addiction. Just for the record, Wikipedia defines addiction as the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences. The adverse consequences of pornography are well-documented, including a recent study which showed that viewing pornography basically shuts down the portion of the brain that views women as humans or shows love or compassion toward them. They view the woman as merely an object.

    Now, you can argue all you want, but, in my mind, an activity causes one to view another human as less-than-human, or an object, clearly is an adverse consequence, and that is just one of the documented short-term and long-term effects of pornography. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in the throes of denial. Time to be honest with yourself.

  • Wacoan Waco, TX
    Feb. 9, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    I hope that I add light rather than heat to the discussion. Many have noted that masturbation usually accompanies viewing pornography. I agree but not all masturbation occurs while viewing pornography. One is more intense and this is the reason for concern of Church leaders.
    Spikey correctly notes that there is no definition of pornography. In economics, there is no agreed upon term for an economy dominated by market transactions, market system, capitalism, Smithian system, emergent order are all used. Despite the disagreement in terminology and salient characteristics, paraphrasing Justice Stewart, economists know it when the see it.
    He also suggests that pornography use becomes a compulsion and not an addiction. Other than reading the book I will cite, I have no knowledge on addiction. Donald Hilton, MD (neurosurgeon) wrote, “He Restoreth My Soul”. The abstract reads,
    “…Donald L Hilton Jr. MD explores the destructive power of pornography addiction… but with the scrutiny of modern science. Current research tells us that there is little difference in physical or chemical changes in the pleasure and control centers of the brain regardless of whether the addiction is "from a chemical or an experience," as stated in journal Science.

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    This is fair game for the media. No reason to try and make excuses for the video. There is certainly much humor to be derived from it when you look at it without your LDS eyes. No big deal. Move on. That's just being a part of a large planet that does not share your same beliefs and traditions.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    I think the fact that so many (if not most) viewers of this video are missing the point might mean that the point wasn't put across very well.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    Not meaning to offend anyone's beliefs, but to frame this as anything other than incredibly embarrassing is silly. I have good LDS friends with great senses of humor about these things and they were shaking their heads over this one. As a person who served in the armed forces, I was offended by the notion of a tattle tale being likened to a leader on the battlefield.

  • glendenbg Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    @jeanie - "Was the intent of your comment to explain intolerant, condescending behavior on the part of Jay Leno and others - or to justify it?"

    I watched Jay Leno's monologues online. When he talked about the BYU vidoe, he wasn't condescending or intolerant. He delivered a couple standard-fare Tonight Show one-liners and moved on.

    Your response is a good example of the cultural divide I'm talking about. I've seen two types of comments online - most mock the over-the-top imagery of the video. Some commentary has criticized the video's apparent condemnation of masturbation, offering a contrasting view that masturbation is normal, natural and morally neutral. Neither approach is intolerant of Mormonism.

    Consider your own comment in which you asked if people were threatened by the video's message. You seem to speaking from within Mormon culture without trying to understand why someone not within that culture would find the video funny. It's not about changing or questioning Mormon values. It's about understanding that we live in a pluralistic society in which no one is immune to or exempt from interacting with other people and value systems.

  • Joemamma W Jordan, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    Alinsky rule #5
    * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    I saw a TED talk on this. Basically, men are programmed to like shapes, they like the image. It creates an dopamine high in the brain so someone who is enjoying pornography is enjoying it because of the brain chemistry, so it is a chemical addiction. So is gambling. It affects the brain chemistry.

    A question to ask would be, if it wasn't for the brain chemistry, what is the point in looking at pornography and enjoying it? Where is the enjoyment? From the brain chemistry.

    Men who view pornography are affected. It acts to reduce attention spans. But it also makes men view women as sex objects. A friend of mine subscribed to Penthouse and he recognized it was affecting how he viewed women so he cancelled the subscription. He thought it took him about nine months to clear it out of his brain and to get back to having attitudes of women that are more normal, i.e. less degrading.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:27 a.m.

    Jay Leno has become consistently crass and raunchy.
    He hasn't been funny for 15 years.
    Just look at his so called friends bidding him farewell.
    Kim Kardashian and Bill Maher?
    Really?
    Nuff said.
    Good riddance Jay!

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    @Alfred
    "So, when a man marries he anticipates almost non-stop sex"

    That's a rather sexist generalization to make about men.

    "And women... because they don't understand the unrelenting male sexual drives."

    No, absolutely not. If a man or woman really cares about that so much then maybe there should be some communication going on before the marriage.

  • Mimifran Gymea, NSW
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:05 p.m.

    Has anybody mentioned that no man is an island and that our behaviours actually do affect those around us? Yes, my ex was into porn, in fact his father introduced him and his siblings in their youth. Whilst his oldest brother served time as a serial rapist, he and his father took it further and were pedophiles. That affected me and my children, my ex, my in laws and their families, nieces, at least 64 women and their families, the church wards they attended and who knows how many who never came forward. Don't you dare tell me pornography doesn't affect other people! Don't you dare try and tell me it is a personal choice. Don't you dare say that it is not addictive. Three Temple marriages were destroyed. My daughters and nieces had to have years of counselling. Don't anybody dare say to me that porn is harmless. You have no idea. You really don't! Be careful how you run you mouth off over topics you only speculate on. You truly have no idea!

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    Agree with Orem Parent! We never watched Leno because of his leniency to the coarse and crude. Enjoyed his street interviews sometimes. I watched his last show, and enjoyed Billy Crystal's creativity. He should have had a talk show. Leno looked dazed. I didn't mind his interviews at times, but his monologues were always suspect. So people fawn over him and praise him and send him off with great acclaim. More idolatry and misplaced adoration - which we do too much with way too many "stars".

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    Why do some seem so anxious to defend pornography? What redeeming value does it represent? There must be some rational balance to be struck between freedom of expression and personal protection from harmful things. In spite of the derisive sarcasm, there are some who seem to appreciate the implications...

    “I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography.“ (Ted Bundy)

    Not everyone who encounters pornography turns out to be a serial murderer or a sexual predator. But how many should it take to indicate what is at risk?

  • G L W8 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    Can we use a little wisdom here? We did society in general and individuals specifically a disfavor when we brought sex out of the bedroom and sexual discussions out of the locker room into the open public. So now, we are faced with a constant barrage of topics like this--pro and con, healthy and unhealthy, ad infinitum. The only thing we can do as individuals is keep ourselves circumspect and chaste as we understand it, and try to concentrate on more meaningful aspects of life than sexual aberrations in any form. We used to regard sex as a sacred practice between a married man and woman.
    Under the conditions that exist, we can support others (as LDS leaders & many other clergy do) who are trying to deal with the issues or show some tolerance to others who believe differently than we on "gay" and other sex-related issues--and try to avoid forcing our views on anyone in any offensive manner. Other than that, we need to avoid being judgmental, mocking, or worst of all--contributory to the problems.

  • Neanderthal Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    @waikiki_dave:
    "The Church believes the male sex drive should be totally for the purpose of creating children with a woman who can bare children."

    Not necessarily so. The sex drive is to not only procreate, but to keep husband/wife together, hopefully for life.

    "Example, a young heterosexual man that masturbates to pictures of scantily clad women in a Vogue magazine . . . in the eyes of the Church, the Vogue magazine would be a pornographic media for that person."

    Are you saying fliers that come in the DNews showing females advertising bras and panties is pornography? Good heavens!

    "The porn industry provides a service, that to some, in all its forms, is intrinsically evil."

    There's nothing more beautiful than a well appointed nude female... and they know it.

    @A Commentator:
    "If I don't give into it, I'll lay in my bed shaking and sweating for hours, unable to sleep until I give in. If you don't think it is really an addiction, then you are lucky that you haven't gone through it."

    If you're condition is what's considered signs of addition, I'd say about 99% of males are not addicted.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    And the day will come when people will say evil is good and good is evil. Today we are witnessing the liberal media's attack on value by condemning and ridiculing Christian teachings. The Second Coming couldn't come soon enough. I'm all for it.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:41 p.m.

    @nellie83:
    "To rationalize his addiction my ex would say pornography is natural, every man does it, and they are lying if they say they don't."

    The fact is, males are endowed with way more sex drive than females). They have to be, in order to assure the perpetuation of their specie. So, when a man marries he anticipates almost non-stop sex. If that doesn't occur, for whatever reason, he is inclined to turn to... porn.

    So, who's at fault here? Men... when they can't control their sexual desires and move to porn. And women... because they don't understand the unrelenting male sexual drives.

    "He would say it's just a hobby, not an addiction."

    Did you ever say something like... 'follow me to the boudoir and we'll have fun together.'

    "Viewing pornography before you're married gives an unrealistic view of sex and during marriage threatens the institution of marriage."

    You shoulda gone over this while dating to head off the situation.

    "Your desires should be to your spouse, not to a fantasy person in the porn world."

    The female has alot to do with where the male's desires are headed.

  • Ultramom Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    The powerful inclination to reproduce sexually is deeply embedded in our DNA. We become immensely preoccupied with thoughts of sex because our perpetual existence is tied to it. We think about it so much we have immortalized it in our art, literature, and songs.

    As a Mormon youth, I felt ashamed for having sexual thoughts, as the church drills into the youth that sexual urges are EVIL. I tortured myself with guilt. Looking back, I was a pretty awesome young woman. It bothers me that I felt such pressure from my church leaders to be "perfect" and "asexual."

    I respect the morals and values which the church teaches, but it does a disservice to shame our youth, making them feel guilty for having sexual thoughts. IT'S NORMAL. Instead of beating them over the head why not say "Son, sounds like you're just like every other young man on the planet." Teach the youth that sexual urges are NORMAL and - for the love of Pete - stop making them feel like they are hellbound every time they have a sexual thought. This screws people up, setting the stage for sexual intimacy problems down the road because they associate SEX=BAD.

  • GeoMan SALEM, OR
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    cjb,
    The distinction is very important, even for a secular humanist. In one case their is a mutual relationship between two adults. In the other case one person is objectifying another human being for completely selfish gratification.
    Beyond that secular humanist issue is the fact that God has declared that sexual intimacy is sacred and is to be reserved for between an man and a woman inside the covenant of marriage. It is to build an eternal bond of love (not to be confused with lust) between the man and woman and, in most cases, also brings children into the world.
    If one party in a marriage uses sexual intimacy for selfish, personal gratification, that too is a violation of God's Law of Chastity.
    There is your answer. There are many conference talks, magazine articles, and sections of books available at the Church's website that elaborate on all this.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    Glenden -

    "It's also an example of the gap between the cultural worldview of the Mormon faithful in the Intermountain West and much of the rest of America."

    Mormons are not trying to be like the rest of America. We're not trying to speak the same language as the rest of America. We are trying to live our religion as we understand it, not as the rest of the world understands it. The video was made for members, not the whole world.

    Was the intent of your comment to explain intolerant, condescending behavior on the part of Jay Leno and others - or to justify it?

  • BYR West Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    "But the Daily Beast, the Huffington Post and others picked up " That explains a lot of the confusion.

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    Mormons promise to live a chaste life as they believe it is defined by God. Porn is a huge problem for people who have made this promise to God concerning their behavior. For BYU-Idaho to have made a video to reflect these issues is appropriate. Those who find it creepy ....well, it likely wasn't made for you - so chill.

    For the video to be mocked by outsiders, sadly, is not surprising. There are always those waiting to pull down anyone trying hard to live what they believe to be right. I've never understood this base human instinct. If you don't agree with it, fine, no problem there, but why the mocking? Is there something about it that threatens you?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    @Million

    "I read a comment the other day that 100% of men have masturbated. Obviously that is not true but the figure is probably in the 90% range. I guess heaven will only be able to choose from 10% or less of the males to be able to get in."

    If heaven is only for people who don't ever sin, it's going to be a lonely place.

  • Universal Truth Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    I'm going to flatly disagree with Spikey, not in the hopes of getting him (I'm guessing) to agree with me, but to offer another view to others who might be fooled by that interpretation. Pornography can very certainly be an addiction. That it doesn't usually require hospitalization--but does sometimes require some sort of institutionalized therapy--to deal with the withdrawal symptoms doesn't change that fact. My "drug" for years when things weren't going well for me was pornography. When my wife was away on vacation, I could spend virtually the entire day looking at it to deal with loneliness and other stress, losing all sense of rational thought. When it was worse, it also quite certainly affected for the worse my behavior toward loved ones. Although I have been away from it for quite some time, I have had to learn to change my behaviors to keep from relapsing at stressful times. I don't see myself ever going back to it at this point, but it is still always something of which I have to be wary. I am quite comfortable that these characteristics very much qualify for the definition of an addiction.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Million, you suggest that only 90 percent of men admit to having masturbated.

    All that proves is that 10 percent of men are blatant liars.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    So, in other words . . . Masturbation is not inconsistent with LDS Church doctrine, but pornography is?

    Images of graphic sex are not acceptable, except for mental images.

    OK, I think I get it.

  • Downtownchrisbrown ,
    Feb. 8, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Some of the people here do not understand addiction. There are two types: physical dependencies, and psychological dependencies. I would recommend reading the Addiction Recovery Program Guide(arp.lds.org/ addiction-recovery-program-guide? lang=eng) for more information. It is possible and not uncommon for there to be addiction to pornography without masturbation. Sometimes addictions start as physical dependencies and then become psychological dependencies and sometimes it works the other way.

  • John Reading LITTLETON, CO
    Feb. 8, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Pornography by itself is addictive. Although abuse of pornography is frequently linked to masturbation, the two are separable. If you truly doubt it, find a pornography recovery counsellor and talk with them. All of the posturing about "Mormon's prudishness" will not change the fact that all violations of the law of chastity - including viewing pornography - are dangerous to individuals and to society, and there is good reason to warn against such violations.

  • PAtoUT Midvale, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    As someone whose marriage was ruined by pornography addiction (yes, addiction, with egregious withdrawal) and advanced masturbation (comes with the territory), I feel I should comment. While the YouTube was meant to make one think twice about acquiring the habit of viewing pornography, sadly, you can't stop it once the brain is chemically damaged just by wanting to, or by helpful roommates or earnest bishops. Most LDS, and others of the world, don't understand the addiction unless they have it, or are married to an addict. Just like alcoholism, you are always addicted. As with any drug, you need more and more lurid views to satiate the addiction. Real life intimacy ceases to exist. It doesn't excite enough. Spouses of addicts are damaged. They believe themselves not good enough because their husbands forsake and blame them. Some men lose their jobs because all they can think of is "using" porn to get high. They lash out at their spouses and children. They're angry, depressed and miserable. Every bishop, priesthood holder, future missionary--every adult--should be instructed about pornography--and masturbation. You don't have one without the other.

  • HeresAThought Queen Creek, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    @glendenbg: I wasn't offended by your comment. In fact, it drew into my mind the words of Lehi to his sons Laman and Lemuel, a parallel we can draw between the gospel and the world:

    1 Nephi 17:45
    Ye are swift to do iniquity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, and he spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he has spoken unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which did cause the earth to shake as if it were to divide asunder.

  • waikiki_dave Honolulu, HI
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    The Church discourages the practice of any form of masterbation. Given that, any form of media that a male would view to provide sexual arousal and result in the practice of masterbation would, by their definition, be pornography. Example, a young hetrosexual man that masterbates to pictures of scantily clad women in a Vogue magazine . . . in the eyes of the Church, the Vogue magazine would be a pornagraphic media for that person. The porn industry provides a service, that to some, in all its forms, is intrinsically evil. Other people would view pornagraphy as a tool that provides sexual outlet. I think a good rule here is everything in moderation. Pornography is less an evil than an addictive personality.

  • A Commentator Springville, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    @Spikey

    I consider myself to be addicted to sexually explicit materials I don't masturbate while reading/viewing such material (in fact, I've only tried to masturbate twice in my entire life). But my addiction has involved increasing tolerance (the first things I read/viewed 15 years ago are tame compared to what I now have to read/view to get the same high). My addiction does involve shakes and sweats. If I don't give into it, I'll lay in my bed shaking and sweating for hours, unable to sleep until I give in. If you don't think it is really an addiction, then you are lucky that you haven't gone through it.

  • waikiki_dave Honolulu, HI
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    It is common knowledge that the Church discourages the practice of masterbation; further more prospective missionaries who regularly masterbate are prohibited from serving missions. It is a mandatory question that is asked of prospective missionaries by their Church leader during the interview process. That is why the Church encourages young men to marry at an early age; typically soon after they return home from their missions. The Church believes the male sex drive should be totally for the purpose of creating children with a woman who can bare children. That is the purpose of life, the purpose of marriage and the end all for salvation in mortality. Single men, gay men that do not or who cannot fit into this lifestyle are considered second class citizens in the mormon community. That is a fact and common place knowledge for anybody raised in the Church.

  • maximum Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    Spikey:
    I think you're confusing chemical addiction with behavioral addiction. For example: Gambling is addictive and comes with an increasing tolerance and needing more to satisfy -- same with pornography, shopping, working, etc. Physical withdrawal symptoms are mostly associated with chemical dependencies.

    Compulsive behavior is performing an act persistently and repetitively without it leading to an actual reward or pleasure. Behavioral addictions (like gambling, workaholic and viewing pornography) provide some sort of reward or pleasure to the individual.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    cjb,

    Your claim is that sex between a husband and wife is more harmful than porn. That is a very broken mentality. I'm not saying you're bad, just that the mentality is off, or dysfunctional. It's like saying that "eating food" is worse than "looking at pictures of food".

    3 kids ask how electricity works...

    Kid #1 asks in order to use the knowledge to bully other kids
    Kid #2 asks in order to use the knowledge to better his life and other people's lives.
    Kid #3 asks, but his only intention is to shock himself for the sensation, like an electric hand-shaking buzzer. He doesn't care about safe practices or enriching anyone's life. His priority is physical stimulation.

    If you truly want to know, you can kneel down and ask the right person. But we're only promised answers not only when we ask, but when we have humility and want to know for the right reason. It's one thing to want to "know" the truth. It's another thing to want to "live" by it. If you have no intention to make changes to your behavior, then asking is arbitrary at best.

  • nellie83 Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    As someone who was divorced mostly because of the pornography addiction of her ex, I can see how the video would be misconstrued as a war on masturbation. To rationalize his addiction my ex would say pornography is natural, every man does it, and they are lying if they say they don't. (believe me masturbation was associated with it every time)He would say it's just a hobby, not an addiction. Well, he was trying to bring this "hobby" into our bedroom when I was uncomfortable with it and manipulation that I didn't care about him or care about satisfying him was his general speech. It got bad to the point of him demanding certain things or I should allow him to get a mistress.
    Viewing pornography before you're married gives an unrealistic view of sex and during marriage threatens the institution of marriage. Your desires should be to your spouse, not to a fantasy person in the porn world. Spiritually detrimental is porn and the masturbation that accompanies it. Physically detrimental to your relationship.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    If someone has a stereotype and something comes by that fits their stereotype they will run with it. People need to be learn to question their stereotypes.

  • Mr. Bean Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    @southmtnman: "I don't think pornography is addictive without the masturbation, is it? This seems disingenuous of Brother Clark."

    The issue was about pornography, nothing more. Perhaps Clark planned to cover the masturbation issue in another address.

    @Million: "I guess heaven will only be able to choose from 10% or less of the males to be able to get in."

    Would you please cite a reference? And what about women? Heaven without women would be like hell.

    @Spikey: "For those afore mentioned reasons, sexually explicit materials are very hard to regulate."

    Well, I for one, know it when I see it.

    As for regulation... many have tried but failed due to the provisions of free speech in the US Constitution's 1st Amendment.

  • modernInvestor SLC, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    I respectfully disagree with many comments regarding this article.

    The message itself is a tad creepy. Tthe extreme comparison between war and pornography are shocking. It comes off as being very extremist.

    I'm with Leno on this one.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    I love stories like this. I watched the video and laughed. And I laughed at Leno's jokes about it as well. The video reminded me of the Star Wars kid video that went viral several years back. Lesson learned: some Mormons (just like the Star Wars kid) are so intensely serious about themselves that they become goofy in their thinking and behavior. And this is a product of that goofiness.

    What adds to the hilarity of this story is the back-peddling and re-explanations. Get past your wounded pride. Let the Church handle the production of message videos.

  • Miss Piggie Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    @cjb:
    "I am puzzled as to why non violent porn is spiritually harmful..."

    It stems from a verse in the Bible that says something about a man ogling women and that such act is the commission of adultery. Interestingly, it says nothing about a woman's similar conduct.

    "...and why intimacy in marriage is not."

    How can a couple have a family without intimacy in marriage? On second thought, they could adopt.

    "The marriage act is more realistic and intense yet it is deemed as harmless."

    The danger is that it could result in a heart attack for the less fit.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    What is the LDS church's stance on masturbation, anyway? I honestly don't know.

    When I was a youngster, we were taught that it was wrong, and an LDS Apostle counseled young men to tie their hand to the bed post to eliminate the temptation, but as with a lot of things, understandings evolve through time, and I think it's probably a good thing to understand what the current policy or teachings are.

    Because it is a missionary church that seeks converts, there is a natural interest to learn and get clarification on exactly what LDS doctrine is, or is not. The Church has offered greater clarity recently on other issues, this issue may be a good one to get an authoritative position on, as well.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    The main problem with porn from a secular view is the fact that, like any addiction, it will take up a lot of your time that should be spent on other, more valuable pursuits and you will eventually incorrectly place your addiction's priority over other important things in your life (like family, friends, work). All of this will lead to an unhappy life and this is without any discussion of the spiritual/religious effects.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    The whole premise and the way it was presented is kind of funny.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    cjb, not sure if you are serious or not.

    Intimacy in marriage is focused on a relationship with a loving spouse not some picture you are seeing on your computer. You don't see a difference in those two? Once you get addicted to looking at the pictures on your computer, it will be very difficult to have a normal relationship with a real spouse later on. It certainly won't help.

  • JTP Payson, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    cjb

    How about one being outside of the marriage covenant and the other inside the marriage covenant.

  • glendenbg Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    I don't offer this comment to offend and I hope it doesn't offend anyone.

    This video went viral because it reflects and plays into the cultural stereotypes about Mormons and Mormonism. Everything in it - it's painfully earnest tone,the prudish concern about sexuality and Clark's staid and somber voice-overs - reflects the popular culture perception of Mormons and Mormonism. Even the proposed solution to the problem - tell your bishop - plays into the stereotype of Mormons as unfailingly obedient to church authorities.

    It's also an example of the gap between the cultural worldview of the Mormon faithful in the Intermountain West and much of the rest of America. The video's visual conceit of the "great war" is painfully and almost naively earnest. As with alcohol consumption, it frames the issue as a moral struggle. Most Americans regard addiction as a medical/mental health issue. Not to put too fine a point on it, it's as if this video (and the Mormonism is represents) are speaking a different language than the rest of America.

    That's why it went viral and that's why it was mocked.

  • Spikey Layton, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    First, I want to say this: Usually when men (and women) look at sexually explicit materials, they are doing so along with masturbation. Not always, of course, but that is generally part of it. Why look at the pictures if there is no stimulation going on, to put it honestly.

    Second, and most importantly, you cannot actually be "addicted" to sexually explicit materials. Addictions come with an increasing tolerance, causing more and more and more to be needed to satisfy, along with physical withdrawal symptoms, ie: the sweats, the shakes, needing hospitalization and/or medications. Compulsive behaviors CAN be associated with sexually explicit materials but 'addiction' is a myth happily promulgated by the media.

    As a side point, "Pornography" itself is not a scientific term (in other words, nobody can agree on WHAT, exactly, pornography is. Some think nude paintings are pornographic, while others just think it means "dirty magazines and videos, etc). For those afore mentioned reasons, sexually explicit materials are very hard to regulate.

  • Ultramom Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    If an individual wants to make an educational video about anything these days, especially religious in nature, then please be prepared for scrutiny and critical examination from all sides. That being said, if it becomes the butt of jokes, well that happens too. But if you truly believe in your work, the content, and your efforts, then it does not need to be defended or explained.

  • Million Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    I read a comment the other day that 100% of men have masturbated. Obviously that is not true but the figure is probably in the 90% range. I guess heaven will only be able to choose from 10% or less of the males to be able to get in.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 6:34 a.m.

    Our beliefs and our faith are always twisted and misrepresented by others and always have been. Anti-Mormon sites do it deliberately and there will be more to come. We just have to keep out faith and endure to the end.

  • Bill McGee Alpine, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 6:06 a.m.

    Saying the video is about the spiritual war one wages against pornography addiction, but it's not masturbation is like saying the self-discipline required for dieting isn't about eating food. You don't have to misunderstand the message to find it a bit creepy. Especially when you toss a roommate into the mix.

  • kolob1 sandy, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 6:01 a.m.

    When the number of words needed to explain something exceeds the number of words in the thing being explained then you know that the thing being explained was wrong in the first place.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    Feb. 8, 2014 5:32 a.m.

    I still miss Johnny Carson.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:55 a.m.

    “Neither my talk nor the video has anything to do with masturbation," Clark said. "There’s nothing in the video or in my talk about that. We were really focused on addictions, pornography, things that are really damaging spiritually to people.”

    I don't think pornography is addictive without the masturbation, is it? This seems disingenuous of Brother Clark.

  • boneheaded, but not a smidgen SLC, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 4:33 a.m.

    you can't expect liberals and comedians to examine something before they comment on it. They will always be disconnected because they don't understand that you need to understand something, in this case watch something, before reaching a conclusion..

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 12:02 a.m.

    Typical media treatment of this issue. A message about trying to help your friends who have a problem with porn doesn't make splashy headlines. Watch the video yourself. It is well done, and contains nothing even remotely like what the journalists have reported. It dramatizes a devotional talk from the president of Ricks College. There is nothing insensitive or offensive about it.

    We should not feel ashamed about seeking help for our friends. Anyone not conflicted in that circumstance has a difficult enough time doing the right thing. I pray to God for help in making such awful decisions, because to anyone with half a brain, it is not an easy thing to face. But just because it is tough does not excuse us from taking responsible action.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    I am puzzled as to why non violent porn is spiritually harmful and why intimacy in marriage is not. The marriage act is more realistic and intense yet it is deemed as harmless.

    If anyone has a (logical) explanation please feel free to share it with someone who is trying to understand.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    Won't miss Leno one bit. The guy was semi funny 20 years ago but just got trashy the last 10 years trying for the cheap laugh. No wonder he is gone.

  • get her done Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    With the internet, no one is exempt from being stupid. You can not fix stupid, and that video shows that.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    Are we going to pretend it's not connected? It's what everyone associates with pornography and it's banned in the law of chastity too.