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Published: Friday, Feb. 7 2014 6:35 p.m. MST

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Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

@cjb:
"I am puzzled as to why non violent porn is spiritually harmful..."

It stems from a verse in the Bible that says something about a man ogling women and that such act is the commission of adultery. Interestingly, it says nothing about a woman's similar conduct.

"...and why intimacy in marriage is not."

How can a couple have a family without intimacy in marriage? On second thought, they could adopt.

"The marriage act is more realistic and intense yet it is deemed as harmless."

The danger is that it could result in a heart attack for the less fit.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

I love stories like this. I watched the video and laughed. And I laughed at Leno's jokes about it as well. The video reminded me of the Star Wars kid video that went viral several years back. Lesson learned: some Mormons (just like the Star Wars kid) are so intensely serious about themselves that they become goofy in their thinking and behavior. And this is a product of that goofiness.

What adds to the hilarity of this story is the back-peddling and re-explanations. Get past your wounded pride. Let the Church handle the production of message videos.

modernInvestor
SLC, UT

I respectfully disagree with many comments regarding this article.

The message itself is a tad creepy. Tthe extreme comparison between war and pornography are shocking. It comes off as being very extremist.

I'm with Leno on this one.

Mr. Bean
Phoenix, AZ

@southmtnman: "I don't think pornography is addictive without the masturbation, is it? This seems disingenuous of Brother Clark."

The issue was about pornography, nothing more. Perhaps Clark planned to cover the masturbation issue in another address.

@Million: "I guess heaven will only be able to choose from 10% or less of the males to be able to get in."

Would you please cite a reference? And what about women? Heaven without women would be like hell.

@Spikey: "For those afore mentioned reasons, sexually explicit materials are very hard to regulate."

Well, I for one, know it when I see it.

As for regulation... many have tried but failed due to the provisions of free speech in the US Constitution's 1st Amendment.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

If someone has a stereotype and something comes by that fits their stereotype they will run with it. People need to be learn to question their stereotypes.

nellie83
Pleasant Grove, UT

As someone who was divorced mostly because of the pornography addiction of her ex, I can see how the video would be misconstrued as a war on masturbation. To rationalize his addiction my ex would say pornography is natural, every man does it, and they are lying if they say they don't. (believe me masturbation was associated with it every time)He would say it's just a hobby, not an addiction. Well, he was trying to bring this "hobby" into our bedroom when I was uncomfortable with it and manipulation that I didn't care about him or care about satisfying him was his general speech. It got bad to the point of him demanding certain things or I should allow him to get a mistress.
Viewing pornography before you're married gives an unrealistic view of sex and during marriage threatens the institution of marriage. Your desires should be to your spouse, not to a fantasy person in the porn world. Spiritually detrimental is porn and the masturbation that accompanies it. Physically detrimental to your relationship.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

cjb,

Your claim is that sex between a husband and wife is more harmful than porn. That is a very broken mentality. I'm not saying you're bad, just that the mentality is off, or dysfunctional. It's like saying that "eating food" is worse than "looking at pictures of food".

3 kids ask how electricity works...

Kid #1 asks in order to use the knowledge to bully other kids
Kid #2 asks in order to use the knowledge to better his life and other people's lives.
Kid #3 asks, but his only intention is to shock himself for the sensation, like an electric hand-shaking buzzer. He doesn't care about safe practices or enriching anyone's life. His priority is physical stimulation.

If you truly want to know, you can kneel down and ask the right person. But we're only promised answers not only when we ask, but when we have humility and want to know for the right reason. It's one thing to want to "know" the truth. It's another thing to want to "live" by it. If you have no intention to make changes to your behavior, then asking is arbitrary at best.

maximum
Phoenix, AZ

Spikey:
I think you're confusing chemical addiction with behavioral addiction. For example: Gambling is addictive and comes with an increasing tolerance and needing more to satisfy -- same with pornography, shopping, working, etc. Physical withdrawal symptoms are mostly associated with chemical dependencies.

Compulsive behavior is performing an act persistently and repetitively without it leading to an actual reward or pleasure. Behavioral addictions (like gambling, workaholic and viewing pornography) provide some sort of reward or pleasure to the individual.

waikiki_dave
Honolulu, HI

It is common knowledge that the Church discourages the practice of masterbation; further more prospective missionaries who regularly masterbate are prohibited from serving missions. It is a mandatory question that is asked of prospective missionaries by their Church leader during the interview process. That is why the Church encourages young men to marry at an early age; typically soon after they return home from their missions. The Church believes the male sex drive should be totally for the purpose of creating children with a woman who can bare children. That is the purpose of life, the purpose of marriage and the end all for salvation in mortality. Single men, gay men that do not or who cannot fit into this lifestyle are considered second class citizens in the mormon community. That is a fact and common place knowledge for anybody raised in the Church.

A Commentator
Springville, UT

@Spikey

I consider myself to be addicted to sexually explicit materials I don't masturbate while reading/viewing such material (in fact, I've only tried to masturbate twice in my entire life). But my addiction has involved increasing tolerance (the first things I read/viewed 15 years ago are tame compared to what I now have to read/view to get the same high). My addiction does involve shakes and sweats. If I don't give into it, I'll lay in my bed shaking and sweating for hours, unable to sleep until I give in. If you don't think it is really an addiction, then you are lucky that you haven't gone through it.

waikiki_dave
Honolulu, HI

The Church discourages the practice of any form of masterbation. Given that, any form of media that a male would view to provide sexual arousal and result in the practice of masterbation would, by their definition, be pornography. Example, a young hetrosexual man that masterbates to pictures of scantily clad women in a Vogue magazine . . . in the eyes of the Church, the Vogue magazine would be a pornagraphic media for that person. The porn industry provides a service, that to some, in all its forms, is intrinsically evil. Other people would view pornagraphy as a tool that provides sexual outlet. I think a good rule here is everything in moderation. Pornography is less an evil than an addictive personality.

HeresAThought
Queen Creek, AZ

@glendenbg: I wasn't offended by your comment. In fact, it drew into my mind the words of Lehi to his sons Laman and Lemuel, a parallel we can draw between the gospel and the world:

1 Nephi 17:45
Ye are swift to do iniquity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, and he spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he has spoken unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which did cause the earth to shake as if it were to divide asunder.

PAtoUT
Midvale, UT

As someone whose marriage was ruined by pornography addiction (yes, addiction, with egregious withdrawal) and advanced masturbation (comes with the territory), I feel I should comment. While the YouTube was meant to make one think twice about acquiring the habit of viewing pornography, sadly, you can't stop it once the brain is chemically damaged just by wanting to, or by helpful roommates or earnest bishops. Most LDS, and others of the world, don't understand the addiction unless they have it, or are married to an addict. Just like alcoholism, you are always addicted. As with any drug, you need more and more lurid views to satiate the addiction. Real life intimacy ceases to exist. It doesn't excite enough. Spouses of addicts are damaged. They believe themselves not good enough because their husbands forsake and blame them. Some men lose their jobs because all they can think of is "using" porn to get high. They lash out at their spouses and children. They're angry, depressed and miserable. Every bishop, priesthood holder, future missionary--every adult--should be instructed about pornography--and masturbation. You don't have one without the other.

John Reading
LITTLETON, CO

Pornography by itself is addictive. Although abuse of pornography is frequently linked to masturbation, the two are separable. If you truly doubt it, find a pornography recovery counsellor and talk with them. All of the posturing about "Mormon's prudishness" will not change the fact that all violations of the law of chastity - including viewing pornography - are dangerous to individuals and to society, and there is good reason to warn against such violations.

Downtownchrisbrown
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Some of the people here do not understand addiction. There are two types: physical dependencies, and psychological dependencies. I would recommend reading the Addiction Recovery Program Guide(arp.lds.org/ addiction-recovery-program-guide? lang=eng) for more information. It is possible and not uncommon for there to be addiction to pornography without masturbation. Sometimes addictions start as physical dependencies and then become psychological dependencies and sometimes it works the other way.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

So, in other words . . . Masturbation is not inconsistent with LDS Church doctrine, but pornography is?

Images of graphic sex are not acceptable, except for mental images.

OK, I think I get it.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Million, you suggest that only 90 percent of men admit to having masturbated.

All that proves is that 10 percent of men are blatant liars.

Universal Truth
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm going to flatly disagree with Spikey, not in the hopes of getting him (I'm guessing) to agree with me, but to offer another view to others who might be fooled by that interpretation. Pornography can very certainly be an addiction. That it doesn't usually require hospitalization--but does sometimes require some sort of institutionalized therapy--to deal with the withdrawal symptoms doesn't change that fact. My "drug" for years when things weren't going well for me was pornography. When my wife was away on vacation, I could spend virtually the entire day looking at it to deal with loneliness and other stress, losing all sense of rational thought. When it was worse, it also quite certainly affected for the worse my behavior toward loved ones. Although I have been away from it for quite some time, I have had to learn to change my behaviors to keep from relapsing at stressful times. I don't see myself ever going back to it at this point, but it is still always something of which I have to be wary. I am quite comfortable that these characteristics very much qualify for the definition of an addiction.

truthsandwich
RANDOLPH, UT

@Million

"I read a comment the other day that 100% of men have masturbated. Obviously that is not true but the figure is probably in the 90% range. I guess heaven will only be able to choose from 10% or less of the males to be able to get in."

If heaven is only for people who don't ever sin, it's going to be a lonely place.

jeanie
orem, UT

Mormons promise to live a chaste life as they believe it is defined by God. Porn is a huge problem for people who have made this promise to God concerning their behavior. For BYU-Idaho to have made a video to reflect these issues is appropriate. Those who find it creepy ....well, it likely wasn't made for you - so chill.

For the video to be mocked by outsiders, sadly, is not surprising. There are always those waiting to pull down anyone trying hard to live what they believe to be right. I've never understood this base human instinct. If you don't agree with it, fine, no problem there, but why the mocking? Is there something about it that threatens you?

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