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Utah basketball: Utes use 'stick-to-itiveness' to defeat Washington

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  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:46 p.m.

    @CO Ute

    Please explain to me why it happens with some Ute fans on Y articles? If you can explain that then you'll have your answer. It's basically the nature of all rivalry's. But please don't think that BYU fans are the only ones that do that. The ONLY reason why I do it is because of one of your special fellow Ute fans.

    Onward and Upward

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:19 p.m.

    This was a nice win for the Utes and another sign they are improving. Reminder to all the U fans. This team is basically very young with Lenz being the only senior. They should mostly be back next year with a couple of very good freshman added to the mix. Like to see us finish at .500 in conference this year and set up a push for 14-15.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:13 p.m.

    Utah loses a game and a lot of Y fans post negative comments. Utah wins a game and those same fans post negative comments. Would someone explain to me how the U's performance has anything to do with the team from Provo? Also curious why there is such an obsession with Utah. Apparently you get joy when something negative happens to another team. A bit ironic isn't it?

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    We know, Utah wins the Strength-of-Schedule Championship because you are in the PAC!2. Fans should take the trophy and all the losses that have come with it and celebrate on a float covered with PAC12 stickers in a parade somewhere. Maybe like the "We're #2 Parade" from bygone days.

    Here are two questions using AZUTE1's phraseology (and I'll number them also):

    1. Which basketball school is superior this season...Cal or Arizona?
    2. Which football school was superior in 2013...Utah or Stanford?

    Draw your own conclusions.

    Amazing all this Crimson boasting without a win yet outside the confines of the HC this season. Ute fan touts scoreboard unless the scoreboard shows a 1 for whatever road record in nearly three years of PAC12 basketball. Use the strength of schedule argument when you actually win consistently...say .300 or .400 or even break the .500 mark on the road—then it will mean something.

    Go Loveridge!

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    It doesn't happen often, but it is great when the Utah, BYU, and USU all win in the same week. Although the wins weren't against the top flight of their conferences it is still good when they all win.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 7, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    @UteTrog

    This is why I don't like being a Ute fan sometimes. Too much chest thumping after stinking for too long and then beating a middle of the pack team at home (not on the road mind you).

    ------------

    You're a Ute?

    Who's chest thumping? The team? The coach? Some "fan"?

    Speaking of chest thumping, I remember when BYU went 1-0 in football and celebrated the win in the streets of Provo. Did you not like being a Cougar fan then?

    It was a good win last night. The program is back, we're about a year away from competing in the PAC-12, one of the toughest conferences in the nation.

    And yes, Wright is the best player in the State. Just like when Lillard was the best player in the State when Jimmer mania was sweeping the nation.

  • Sweater In Rafters Franklin, IN
    Feb. 7, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    Questions on Strength of Schedule:

    1. If you play #187 Santa Clara twice...is it as bad as playing #343 once? 187 x 2=374.
    2. If you play Prarie View #329. How much better are you than a team that plays #343 Lamar?
    3. If your entire conference is made up of #23 Gonzaga, #55 STM #103 Portland #105 SF #112 PAC #117 Pepperdine #137 SD #187 Santa Clara and #162 Loyola Marymount...should you talk about strength of schedule?
    4. If St Katherines played Mesa College...who would win?
    5. If you loose to #103 Port #117 Pepperdine #162 Loyola...and #44 Utah...are you better than Utah...

    Thank you...

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    @ AZUTE!

    Please explain and reiterate for those of us who missed it "how/why our OOC sched was what it was."

    You make a definitive point of stating that the U has "1/2 of a conference schedule still yet remaining" implying the Utes can improve in weeks to come; yet in the very next breath you ignore the remainder of the season...and tournament possibilities...when you say "we left zero doubt about which school was superior THIS SEASON...(as if it were finished).

    So, you rhetorically ask "What remains to be disputed, literally?" I would answer, almost everything, like the rest of play in both conferences, conference tournament play, and any post-conference tournament games. Impossible at this point to determine school superiority for the SEASON, albeit Utah played a better game and convincingly defeated BYU in a superior performance in December.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    CincyRed13

    "So what you're saying is that all of Utah's cupcake wins in the preseason were meaningless? I guess by that account you're mighty Utes have what, 4 wins?"

    This has to do w/the comment I responded to above, how exactly?

    Furthermore, we UTES have acknowledged all along how/why our OOC sched was what it was, as well as the fact there won't be a repeat of it, going forward....Conversely, the wcc is weak-sauce compared to The PAC-12, which is equally irrefutable, which was my point above.

    Conference SOS ranking currently stand as following, with 1/2 conference schedule still yet remaining--

    byu #126
    U #56

    Finally, we left zero doubt about which school was superior this season w/our thorough demolition of byu back in December....What remains to be disputed, literally?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    "it's an on going phenomenon . . ."

    ekute:

    A/K/A: The Campus Is Our World

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    JohnInSLC,
    Mildred too says that the Utes never beat a good team. Even in football, it's an on going phenomenon how in their frantic haste to degrade the Utes, they insult their own team. In the long run, byu's in conference wins are about as meaningful as Utah's preseason wins.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    CincyRed:

    Your suggestion presumes BYU is one of the cupcakes. High marks to you for honesty!

  • UU Provo, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    @ CFIT "Congrats on beating a bottom half of the PAC12 team"

    Congrats on losing to seversl bottom feeding teams from a bottom feeding conference (see Loyola Mary, Portland etc.)

    @ CFIT "if Utah played in the MC, BYU would win and this would prove that the Cougs are the better team."

    That's called speculation and opinion CFIT. The only reality we have to work with here is that Utah handed BYU their worst loss of the season.... yet you seem to believe BYU is still the better team. Classic.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    Azute,

    So what you're saying is that all of Utah's cupcake wins in the preseason were meaningless? I guess by that account you're mighty Utes have what, 4 wins?

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Good win.

    As long as defense remains a priority, the U will continue to be a tough team to play.

    They've stayed in the games they've lost because they make teams work on the offensive end and don't give up many easy baskets.

    Keep up the effort on defense and keep improving on offense and things will continue to trend upward.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Reno Cougs Fan 68--

    "Byu is second in the WCC and has more wins then Utah if that is struggling in our conference then I will take that every season!!!"

    wcc is relatively a bottom-feeding conference, so racking-up Ws against light-weights is meaningless.

    Having said this, what really kills any "touting" emanating from byu's side are those [3] brutally horrible wcc losses, [1] of which was compounded by the fact they lost by double-digits....Ouch.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    I would not be inclined to automatically declare a BYU W at MC versus Utah, CougFan.

    Both the U and Y teams are evolving, maturing, and finding new combinations. Without projecting the Y's progress, the general consensus among most informed sportswriters and observers is that Utah is definitely back on the map.

    So it's difficult to find credibility for your claim of BB superority based on the fact of the 81-64 beatdown that occurred on Dec 14th. The entire planet knows if a team can limit one or perhaps two of your principal scorers they will very likely win by a comfortable margin.

    Too bad there won't be a Utah rematch this year to resolve the question; perhaps an alternative will be to examine the results of your Feb 20th game at home with Gonzaga. The other four on your schedule are of more moderate pedigree.

    --- Congrats on being True Blue, but you might want to keep your powder dry until at least Feb 21st.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    @ Brave Sir Robin:

    It's not rocket science. Washington was better on that particular night last month when they beat Utah, and Utah was better last night when they beat Washington. Each held serve on their own home court.

    As to which is the overall best team, that will be determined at the end of the season when all factors are taken into account... including SOS, overall records, downgrading obvious upsets, etc..

    National ranking services will do all of that for us, making it easy for fans not too biased to accept those results if their team isn't ranked as well as they would like it to be. However, facts speak for themselves. Don't confuse a few battles with the overall war, which is still in process.

    It's the war results which determine who gets into the NCAA tourney and who doesn't.

    A nice win last night for the Utes. I hope it starts some positive momentum and they can keep it going. I'm confident some road wins will start happening soon. They've shown some high level talent quite often this season. Consistency is the next step.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Feb. 7, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Ekute,
    Byu is second in the WCC and has more wins then Utah if that is struggling in our conference then I will take that every season!!! Good win against a conference foe last night for the Utes!!! Wishing both teams do well the rest of the way and in their conference tourneys!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 7, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    CougFaninTX

    B-S-R has presented a false dichotomy, thus proving nothing.

    What his argument proved is that both WA and U are equally mediocre teams that can only prevail on their home hardwood.

    Does ANYONE believe that Utah will be one of "the 6 PAC-12 teams" invited to the big dance?

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Washington must not be very good because Utah never beats good teams.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    @ekute

    My comments were purely for my friend and long time mentor Chris B. There's more pride of being in the PAC-12 than being a Ute fan. I'm a Cougar fan for sure but I'm also a Utah graduate and I support both. Just stop slamming BYU for not being part of the most "prestigious" and "elite" conference. Give it a rest? I will give it a rest when Chris B gives it a rest. He is the only reason I even read the comment section on both Ute and Y articles. I try to stay away but I just can't because I'm just too curious to see what my friend has to say.

    Onward and Upward

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute--

    Wasn't a personal or anything....I don't do moral victories, yet I still measure improvement as it occurs and we're light-years ahead of our last two seasons....Keep in mind, 9 Ls occurred during '11-'12, our program's worst season in history, most via humiliating blow-out fashion....Furthermore, we're not hitting the road during conference play inside of H.S. Gyms, while playing against College Basketball Heavyweights such as LMU/Pepperdine/Portland!

    Still counts the same in Ws/Ls, yet through our youth/inexperience we've yet to master the art of closing-out a sure W away from home against Power Conference opponents, such as the nation's #1 team, as well as other likely Tourney teams in ASU/CU, during each of which we possessed a size-able lead, unlike little brother losing to us by 17 pts.

    At this stage, it's purely 100% mental....We're better than a talented/in-cohesive team in USC and should beat them, but only if we can raise our level of mental toughness and get over the proverbial "HUMP"!

    Hopefully, pride kicks in enough to make it happen....We'll see!

    GO UTES!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Feb. 7, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    Great win by the utes.
    Delon Wright is a fun player to watch.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    @AZUTE

    You are probably right, I stand correct. Just frustrated that they can't pick up some road wins. Pretty darn good team though; post season awaits! Take care Guy and Thanks for the response!

  • UteTrog Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    This is why I don't like being a Ute fan sometimes. Too much chest thumping after stinking for too long and then beating a middle of the pack team at home (not on the road mind you). Too extreme. Utah is not going to the NCAA tournament, We're DEFINATELY not going to the Sweet 16, but we can make a pretty good run in the NIT (which is better than last year).

    I ask Ute fans everywhere to please stop giving BYU fans softballs with your comments. Although annoying, BYU posters comments contain some truth to the comments say.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    Also, the BYU game started at 9 and the U game at 7.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Ekute,

    He was watching the Utah game because it was still a game. The Y game was over within minutes of the opening tip.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 7, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    "....punching bags on the road!"

    Nah, a "punching bag" is what we were during moat road games two seasons ago....Just simply still learning how to close-out games on the road to date this season, which've resulted in Ls by 2/3/4 points and just as easily were our W, instead, hardly qualifies for such a demeaning label, particularly when emanating from a purported U fan!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 7, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    Utes are definitely a better team in SLC than on the road. Congrats on beating a bottom half of the PAC12 team at home.

    @Chris B - "Joe Lunardi currently has 6 Pac 12 going to the big dance, the highest of ANY conference."

    U and I are different. I care more about whether or not my team goes dancing. I really don't care how many teams from my conference go dancing or bowling, if I'm sitting home.

    @Brave Sir Robin - "I was told by several of you that Washington's win over Utah last month in Washington was definitive proof that Washington is better than Utah. So applying your logic to today, Utah has just beaten Washington, therefore Utah is better than Washington, right?"

    You are right, just like if Utah played BYU in the MC. BYU would win and this would prove that the Cougs are the better team.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 4:47 a.m.

    Samoan that is a perfect impression. Nice.

    Actually was a decent win for Utah. They are a decent team at home. Too bad they have to go on the road for half their games. LOL

    If they had played a decent preseason they might actually have a shot at making some type of post season appearance unlike the football team. Who knows, maybe the NIT will still come knocking.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    That's how you finish games. Great game, Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 6, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    Good win. World beaters at home, punching bags on the road! Win some road games and give me something to believe in!

  • daviscoug Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    Congrats on the nice win.
    Just want to add that the only time I don't cheer on the Utes in basketball is when they play BYU. Have always enjoyed watching the Ute teams in the past. Good luck with the rest of the season.
    Now, if we were talking football...... :)

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:53 p.m.

    Hey, SammyY . . . give it a rest buddy.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    I'm having a hard time falling asleep because I can't stop thinking how awesome the PAC-12 is. Can't wait til the NCAA tournament to get here. To watch 6 PAC-12 teams in the Big Dance is...words can't even describe it. Yes!

    Onward and Upward

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    Most important stat ... Utah won the rebound battle.
    If Utah can keep doing that, they'll find themselves in a very good place at the end of the year.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    I just can't get over it WOW! Love this PAC-12 membership.

    Onward and Upward

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    Big Time win against a big time PAC-12 opponent. I predict a sweet 16 appearence...Mark it Down

    Onward and Upward

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:03 p.m.

    Good win! Loveridge finally got out of a shooting slump, with a double-double (6-7 FG, 16 points, and 13 rebounds).

    Go UTES!

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    Whoooo Go PAC-12! Love this PAC-12 membership

    Onward and Upward

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    I need some help from one of you BYU fans. I'm very confused about one thing.

    I was told by several of you that Washington's win over Utah last month in Washington was definitive proof that Washington is better than Utah. So applying your logic to today, Utah has just beaten Washington, therefore Utah is better than Washington, right?

    Now you can see where my confusion lies. How is it that Washington is better than Utah, while simultaneously Utah is better than Washington? Am I living in a Twilight Zone episode? Or perhaps I'm trapped in some weird quantum state where there are two realities existing at the same time? Or do you guys just not know what you're talking about?

    Help me....which is it?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:45 p.m.

    Congratulations on the win tonight. Let's make a run in the second half of conference play and take the momentum into the Pac-12 tournament.

    Go Utes!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:37 p.m.

    The HC is a tough place to visit, as are all of the arenas in the PAC 12. Go Utes.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    It was a fun game to watch and be at. The atmosphere was great. But, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Washington isn't a great team this year but rather a mediocre team. Progress is definitely being made but we have quite a ways to go.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    Win number 1,700 for the Utah program tonight! Puts them in the top 15 all time winning programs in the country.

    The Big 3 really showed up tonight! Congrats to the team on a great win.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    The house was rocking tonight! Thanks for showing up MUSS.

    Lets keep this ball rolling and get back to the top half of the Pac 12 conference!

    Joe Lunardi currently has 6 Pac 12 going to the big dance, the highest of ANY conference.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    Great team effort tonight!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    Big time win over a prestigious big time Pac 12 school!

    Go Utes!

    Love these Pac 12 games!