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Published: Thursday, Feb. 6 2014 7:15 p.m. MST

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John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Considering the appearance of Sharon, there are clearly non-Lehites mentioned in the Book of Mormon. A close reading will also show that the only way to population could be as large as the Jacob/Sharon episode requires is the incorporation of new peoples. John L. Sorenson's writings give much light on this topic.

I however hold that President Monson should not appear. It would give a horrible precedent both to using the courts to persecute religious leaders and using them to harass and limit the uses of time by religious leaders.

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spanish fork, UT

simplified versions

church says 1/10 of "increase"
church does not define "increase"; candidate does. candidate is asked, "are you an honest & full tithe donor?" the answer is donor's interpretation of "increase" and "honest-full"

bishop doesn't know person's salary/gross/net/increase, or $ figure nor sources. i receive $ from taxable & nontaxable vestments + SocSec. i pay 1/10th of the sum total of those numbers, rounded up to the next $1. my conscience says pay on everything received - "increase": i didn't have it moments ago and now i do. it's all tithed. that is just me

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spanish fork, UT

bishop and stake president in separate private interviews w/ candidate ask 20+ questions re. faith, belief, church leaders, honesty, word of wisdom, scriptures, sexual purity, morally, ethica, upright, etc. "money" is never mentioned; "full & honest tithing" is. candidate answers according to his/her own interpretation. simple questions soliciting simple clear answers

positive answers results in a recommend; a "no" may require clarification, possible encouragement to repent or other action the candidate should take to become worthy. decision to issue or not is based on candidate answers of yes-no.

one of final questions is "do you consider yourself worthy to enter the House of the Lord?" a "yes" answer produces a recommend. "no" or "i'm not sure" results in an explain yourself. i often wonder if i "am wothy".

bishop makes his decision ON THE SPOT according to answers received from candidate. candidate makes appt with stake presidency - process is repeated with decision made on the spot. bishop & stake presidency don't discuss the request nor the answers. each decision is based according to answers the candidate has declared abt him/herself.

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spanish fork, UT

story, likely you never heard before. read it. not specifically abt tithing, but abt honesty re. $.

i love this story
read Acts 4:31 thru 5:11
i love the bible

Scio, OR

This is just another reason why Scotland should break away from the United Kingdom. If you know of any Scots who can vote in the September 18th, 2014 referendum for independence, please encourage them to vote for common sense. Per capita the church has more member is Scotland than the rest of the UK. FREEDOM!

Murrieta, CA

Tasha says- "Yes he is (an ex-mormon). He's not excommunicated yet (that I'm aware of) but he is definitely an ex-mormon in that he doesn't believe and doesn't largely affiliate with the church (summoning monson to court definitely doesn't count). "

You may certainly call a member of the church who doesn't attend or believe an ex-Mormon if you want to. That just isn't the definition that is generally accepted. The church has 15 million members, more than half of whom do not attend, worldwide. I don't think the church is going to start saying there are 7 million members. Do you?

Iowa City, IA

I still hold out hope that Mr. Phillips will see the error of his ways and repent.

Also, this story reminded me: Abinadi really tore it up in court!

The Scientist
Provo, UT

MiP wrote:

"I still hold out hope that Mr. Phillips will see the error of his ways and repent."

He did repent. That is why he is doing this.

Marie Ferguson
Glenning Valley, Australia, NSW

The Bible says to pay tithes. I pay tithes. Nothing will stop that. I love the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, and other scriptures that we have. I know that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and I know that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true and living Church on the earth. My testimony is based on what the Spirit has confirmed to me, not on DNA, unseen papyri, unseen plates or anything else anybody wants to bring up.
I received a strong witness before I was baptised 31 years ago, that Joseph Smith was a true Prophet of God, and that what he brought forth for us was also true. I know that God knows that I know it and I could never deny it. If anybody is not happy with the church, leave it and leave it alone. You cannot change the course of it, no unhallowed hand can stop this work. Love the Church, love President Monson and whomever will follow as Prophet. It is the Spirit that works through us and confirms to us the truthfulness of the Gospel. And nothing else is needed.

Springville, UT

Confirmation bias (the spirit) does not confirm truth.
Truth confirms truth.

Kendal, Cumbria

President Monson doesn't see 1p of the money that is paid into the church by its members... neither does any other member, unless they are in need of assistance from the welfare funds, which are paid from fast offerings, not tithing.
I sustain President Monson as Prophet, Seer and Revelator, and as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also sustain all other church leaders as designated at this moment in time, in their respective positions and callings.


This whole story has just made me facepalm from day one. For all the reasons listed in this article though, I knew that it was ridiculous and would go nowhere. Shame on the UK justice system for trying to give crass anti-religious bigotry a voice in a court of law.

us, CA

Last time I checked, DB is still selling books by Paul Dunn. Most of his 'faith building' stories were lies and yet the church still allows them to be sold. Isn't that condoning fraud if not the actual act of it all for the sake of making money?

Laura Arroyo
Salt Lake City, UT

A man who still uses his priesthood to forthput should not make such claims before a judge.

In other words:

You still believe; how can you claim that another does not?

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

This is stupid because nobody can make you pay tithing. It is up to you and it is your decision and choice, that simple.

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