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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 5 2014 10:15 p.m. MST

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Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Uteology and Mountain Man.

If you eliminate the "Number of Recruits Factor" in these rankings and go strictly on "Star Averages", BYU's class would rank #49. Utah abt. #56.
Either way, BYU had a better recruiting class than U.

Perhaps more than any other program, these goofy rankings are irrelevant to BYU in the short term.
With 18 returning missionaries and BYU's willingness to recruit JC transfers once again, these are what will have the more immediate impact on BYU's football program.
They have an ongoing pipeline with missionaries and Bronco is managing it quite well.

U can argue minutia until pigs fly, but the fact remains that Utah is becoming embedded as the Pac's cellar-dwelling bottom-feeder and that is hard to shake in a young recruits mind, once it sets it. Meanwhile, BYU still has it's Legacy and Brand.

We've all had to observe the Ute-fans "Mask of False Bravado" for 3 years now.
Boasting of affiliation instead of achievement.

The Red Tailed "Chicken" Hawks are merely roosting now and recruits are noticing..

WON84
PLANO, TX

I like what BYU got but, these recruiting rankings and projections don't matter. What matters is who you beat.

Furthermore, why bother with writing articles comparing BYU and Utah? They're no longer rivals and will likely not see each other often at all in any of the sports moving forward.

ekute
Layton, UT

WON84,
The schools are 45 miles apart and their fan bases are intermingled. If you spent some time here on the Wasatch Front you would see that the face to face banter is much more friendly and cordial than what they are on these comment boards. Notice that many of the pot stirring comments come from out of state.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I've heard the Utah fans comparing themselves to TCU in regards to the struggles of stepping up in SOS and conference difficulty. I was thinking about this and realized some things. First, both Utah and TCU finished their inaugural seasons in their respective conferences with winning records and a bowl game. Both programs have declined since then. So the question is, why did they perform so much better in their first season and are struggling now, even getting worse from one year to the next? Why would a program move to a tougher conference and have success initially, then start to tank? I think one answer is simply that both Utah and TCU just aren't as good now as when they entered their leagues.

Second, I think there's a familiarity that teams get with one another when they've scouted and played each other more often. Now that teams have seen more of Utah and TCU they are more familiar with their tendencies and weaknesses and better able to exploit them, and that is the reason for digression. Any thoughts? I believe it's a combination of both of these factors.

p e
RICHFIELD, UT

Some more observations:
Chris B is the one acting like BYU has a top ten class!
The bottom of the PAC is still the bottom of the pack.
We (BYU) did better this year in every way.

Having said those things, We still need to win a game against Utah.
How is it that we are now more competitive against some higher ranked programs in their conference?
How can it be that they have owned us for so long (Why can't we get up to play them like they do for us)?

ekute
Layton, UT

Can't get up for the Utes huh. Even after having been dominated for 20 years, lost 3 in a row, bronco said that a state championship was a priority and KV called it his Super Bowl? Notice that Virginia, Utah, Wisconsin and Washington are all Power Conference teams...

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

a C in the Pac-12 is better than an A- as a mid-major, just check the scoreboard for the last 3 years.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Bluto

U can argue minutia until pigs fly, but the fact remains that Utah is becoming embedded as the Pac's cellar-dwelling bottom-feeder and that is hard to shake in a young recruits mind, once it sets it. Meanwhile, BYU still has it's Legacy and Brand.

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The same cellar dwelling bottom feeder that OWNs your team? Like I said Utah's class this year was a failure yet it's similar to your "A-" class.

Utah lost two big commits, Shultz and Frison. It happens, we had bad recruiting year. Is it a trend? We'll find out next year.

BYU's legacy and brand hasn't helped BYU in in-state recruiting nor has it helped it land a Big 5 conference invite.

CougarOnTheProwl
Murray, UT

BYU made good use of the scholarships they had available,they filled holes at WR, LB and added some OL to the mix that could develop into very good players. Then you factor in stealing away several recruits from PAC 12 schools and BYU overall had a very productive 2014 recruiting class. BYU for the most part got who they wanted, except for 1 or 2 recruits that went elsewhere, overall they did well and I think the the class is a bit underrated. These rating systems are flawed though and we will find out how really good these players are on the field.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Uteology

There were 7 recruits which both BYU and Utah recruited.
6 of them chose BYU, 1 chose Utah.
I would say that BYU "is" winning the in-state recruiting battle.

And for U, who endlessly touts the Star System, according to Scout, BYU won that battle as well.
In fact, Utah was dead last in recruiting, in the Pac.

Keep clinging to your Conference Crutch.
Every recruit knows which teams are their respective Conference doormats, and that be U!

Premier athletes aren't persuaded to play for losing programs which are also ignored by the Major Networks. see Utah.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Uteology

There were 7 recruits which both BYU and Utah recruited.
6 of them chose BYU, 1 chose Utah.
I would say that BYU "is" winning the in-state recruiting battle.

And for U, who endlessly touts the Star System, according to Scout, BYU won that battle as well.

Crow
Sandy , UT

@besmart still not a national brand many of the teams with viewership of 5 million or more were on tv the same amount of time byu was Utah was on only 5 times on a national broadcast and were not far behind byu. For being a national brand who played the majority of their games on ESPN no one really watched. The proof is in the numbers

Crow
Sandy , UT

@BeSmart once again you have proven my point. The article was based on games being on the following ABC, NBC, ESPN, FOX, and FOX1. Utah had 1 gme on ESPN2 against byu and 4 games on Fox1 which all season long struggled for ratings. On Fox1 Utah played games against the likes of USU and Oregon St and still managed to have a viewership close to 700K. Where as byu was on tv 4 more times then Utah played on ESPN and NBC which has higher distrubution then Fox 1 and still only managed to brake 1 million thanks to them having Notre Dame and Texas two of the power house of football and both listed as having over 5 millio. Take away the Notre Dame and Texas game and byus viewrship is close to Utah and not nearly the National brand as byu fans claim.

I would not be surprised with the amount of money ESPN is paying the Big 5 that they do not resign with byu when their contract expires. They will be going against the NFL on Thursday night now that NBC has that contract. ESPN will need better teams to compete against the NFL.

BeSmart
Cheyenne, WY

@ Crow
It states in that research less games usually means a higher rating.
BYU also had rated games on ESPNU and ESPNNEWS which it also states significantly reduces it.
Utah games
UU v. USU 311,000
BYU Virginia (on ESPN3 due to weather) 299,000
BYU Texas 1.29 Million
Utah v. OSU 329,000
BYU v. Utah 1.29 million
Utah Oregon 747,000
BYU v. MTSU 329,000 (2nd highest rated ESPNU game all year on Friday Night)
UCLA v. Utah 529,000
BYU Georgia Tech- 358,000 (6th highest for ESPNU all year)
BYU Houston 205,000 (6th highest on ESPNNEWS all year)
BYU Boise 1.97 Million (only 1 Pac game better on Fri. Night Oregon Civil War)
BYU Wisc. 2.18 Million
BYU Notre Dame 2.29 million
USU FRESNO 1.7 MILLION
Now this is funny BYU v. Utah was almost twice as high as any Utah game.
USU has higher ratings than Utah during their bowl
What really matters is where you are rated compared to other teams in the time slot.
BYU was consistently rated near the top in all their time slots.

plyxply
SLC, UT

Utah is in a tailspin and unless something major happens this next season they will be in worse shape than they could've imagined when they were allowed in the pac 10.
Even Utah coaches are getting out while they can, both Brian Johnson and Jay Hill have moved on and I'm sure there are other Utah coaches sending resumes out as we speak.
BYU is spinning this year's class nicely, but as we've all seen BYU doesn't usually do well with good recruits, they either burn out or transfer. As I've said before, Poppinga is the worst recruiter in the state, followed closely by Mark Weber at USU. Neither one can recruit and while BYU has it's own holier than thou attitude about players coming there, USU really dropped the ball with Weber.
The college football schedules keep getting better, too bad only USU has amounted to anything on the field, the other two keep falling further and further from relevance.

Ronald Uharriet
SWun City, Ca.

Didn’t Deseret News just reported that both Utah and BYU national average in 2014 for recruiting was between 60 - 70 out of 124 schools?

Isn’t this just about middle of the pack or a grade C ?
Didn’t the article say that Utah state’s recruiting was below that 60-70 mark?

If that article is correct, your grade for Utah, (C) has to be perfect while Utah States (B) has to be false, and BYU’s (A-) has to be a fantasy of wishful thinking.

If you grade on the curve, 62 is a C grade while anything below is below a C and anything above is above a C.

If the article is correct, perhaps Utah got the C, BYU got the C- and Utah State got a grade somewhat lower.

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