The real estate agents/developers that populate the Utah Legislature must be
thrilled. Think of all the taxpayer money set to come their and their friends
way. Isn't socialism grand (privatize the gain, socialize the cost).
It is reassuring to see people take bold steps for the long-term good of a city.
It is a good change from the short-term focus of most politicians. Now I wish we could do the same thing with the oil refineries near Bountiful!
Follow the money. There is still no compelling reason given to move.The costs to taxpayers will be enormous, regardless of whatever is promised,
and the ongoing costs for transportation of prisoners for trials, medical
treatment and the like will be astronomical compared to present, and cost to
staff the prison away from the Wasatch front will be much higher.Let's see some actual facts and numbers from UNBIASED sources, not the
real estate speculators who stand to profit from this scheme.
Rock has it right. Was there every any serious doubt about what the
recommendation would be?? There is far too much money to be made buying and
selling property by our Lords and Masters on Capitol Hill or their friends to
just leave things be. An annual economic benefit of $1 billion plus ?? Really
?? Every year ??
This thing just snowballs. The estimates for the move is in the 850 million
dollar range. The Legislator should ask for half that from the developers as
front money, the loans would quickly be paid off from the profits they will
realize from their development. The current site is paid for and except for
potential profit to developers there is no reason to move the prison.
Com'on Gov, let's put a stop to this.
Follow the money my friends, follow the "tax payer" money.
If they insist on moving the prison, it should be required for them to build the
new one in Park city. And the real estate developers that will benefit
financially need to pay the full cost.
Folks, This is going to cost a cool Billion before it is done. It would be far
cheaper to cut a ten million dollar check to each of the supporter/developers.
Privatize the profit, Socialize the cost, the Utah way.
The Legislators pushing the hardest for this keep saying that the State will get
a lot of money from future taxes that will come in. Yet you know that any
business/company that buys the land will get massive tax breaks and the money
the Legislature is promising won't actually happen.
I'd be interested in who is on the committee. Since we already have a
facility in place, why do we need to build another? Let's spend the money
on upgrading the facility that is in place instead of enriching a bunch of
developers.I agree with skibird. There will be so many tax breaks
given that the state won't get anything for years.
Do any of these people commenting on this article live in the Draper/Bluffdale
area? Do we really want a huge prison in the geographical center of the Utah
County/Salt Lake County metro area? On the one hand there is the
short term cost to move the prison. On the other hand there is the livability
and desirability of our metro area for the next 200 years.
@SP"Do any of these people commenting on this article live in
the Draper/Bluffdale area?"If so, was it a surprise that there
was a prison there?
@SP - What currently impacts your quality life more? (1) the presence of
the prison or (2) the air quality in the SL valleyDo you understand
the source of our air quality issues? It is not the refineries in North SL, it
is the cars in the valley. What do you think will happen to the number of cars
as we cater to real estate developers and provide public subsidization for the
construction of large numbers of new homes and their infrastructure?
This is going to be fun to watch. By comparison, the massively corrupt $50
billion Sochi debacle now on the backs of Russian taxpayers will look like a
This is what the caucus system does to us, folks. Our legislators do not feel
they are at all accountable to the general public. They are more beholden to
real estate developers.People keep claiming that primaries are easy
for moneyed interests to buy, but it's a lot easier and cheaper for those
wishing to profit at the public's expense to sway a few dozen delegates
than tens of thousands of voters.Count My Vote won't fix our
system entirely. But it, along with dumping many of our present legislators,
would be quite a good start.
Have to agree with with 'Particulars'. Having all these problems with
air quality, and now they want to add how many more thousand of cars,
homes, Bar BQ's, etc. at the point of the mountain to flow down into the
valley? This does not make sense when on one hand you are trying to
overcome the pollution and on the other hand making plans to put even more into
micron got so many tax breaks and water rights given to it and then never opened
to full operation.the reason utah is buds with big companies is the
average Joe pays more tax than mant corporations do. we new at the first they
would ok the move only the mayor was against it. go krony and self interest of
After actually reading the report, I can see that there is a compelling case
showing that moving the prision is beneficial to the state.My only
concern would be the location. It would be best to move it to a location that
does not require the family of the inmates to travel excessively far to visit
their family members.I know that the liberals here hate it when
somebody profits, but in this case this outside group along with the companies
that gave their inputs show that it is possible for this to be an economic
benefit. So, my question to the liberals here is why don't you want the
state to have this economic benefit?
To SP: Bluffdale used to be more rural than Cedar City. It doesn't matter
where they move the prison to, urban sprawl will soon (20 - 50 years) engulf it.
Who would've thought 30 years ago that houses would be high value near the
point? Only insiders.
Redshirt,Let me help you even though I am not a liberal I am
actually a conservative, but I will try anyway. Who is a paying for the new
prison? Taxpayers. Who is paying for the relocation? Tax payers. Who will pay
for the increased costs associated with moving the prison further from Salt
Lake? Taxpayers. How long will it take to recoup the money spent? At least 10
years if developers are not given a sweetheart tax deal, which we all know will
happen. So the bottom line is that Joe taxpayer will have a his/her
money "confiscated" for a new prison so a small group of developers can
get richer than they are now.
@RedShirtCalTech"I know that the liberals here hate it when
somebody profits..."... and I know that the conservatives love
to use a broad brush... Sniping is always the best way to get your
Buy and raze the homes close the refineries and move the prison there.
To "Fred44" yes, taxpayers will have to pay for the relocation, but they
will have to pay to upgrade the prison and to maintain it. In reading the
report, it seems like if the area is developed into a similar neighborhood as
the surrounding area, the additional tax revenues in combination with the sale
of the land will offset much of the cost to build the new prison. Then, with
the additional continued tax revenues that the state would collect through the
high value of the property and the property taxes, the impact to the state
budget will be negligible.Overall, the report makes a compelling
case for moving the prison, you should read it.
All these complaints about our legislators, so who are you going to vote for
next time? Yeah, thats what I thought. The only person on the board to vote no
was a Democrat.
Move it to Thompson or Green River. What an economic boom that would be for
them. Move the judicial buildings there too. They could provide cheap labor
for the melon fields and when they escaped it would be much easier to find them
in their brand new pink undies. Just think of the tans they could get to
enhance their tattoos with the endless sunshine. Heck, they could even be used
to build a gigantic water park in Cresent Junction and help develop the lone and
dreary world of the Utah Desert.
I have previously worked for Department of Corrections. I can guarantee no
matter where the new location is it will be opposed. lawsuits will be filed,
people will demonstrate. It is a no win situation. A move was proposed to I
believe the Fillmore area. One demonstrator held a sign that said I don't
want my children to work at a prison. I was a Correctional Officer at the time
with B.S, degree. People have a lot of misconceptions about prisons. They
think that everyone who is incarcerated is an axe murderer. Moving the prison
to a remote location will cause a lot of problems. There are over two hundred
volunteers that donate time. They are not going to drive to West Box Elder
County. What about medical care. Let's say an employee is injured and the
nearest hospital two hours away. I am for relocation only if a suitable
location can be found. I don't see that happening. The Not in my backyard
philosophy is prevalent in Utah.