ScientistOuch! You may want to change your call sign. You surely
received a ton of correction--remains to be seen if it registered with you. A little humility, I've learned, goes a long way. It also may
assist one in learning about spiritual things.
Scientist,I guess Kate Hansen should simply stop being who she is
and therefore, her religion won't be able to be shared while at the
Olympics, or any other event she attends. Did you read the article? A man was
converted to the church because of a "feeling" that he had about her and
then he looked her up on the internet. Did she share anything with him in
words, did she give him any literature, a pass-along card, or even a Book of
Mormon? No, she was just herself and someone felt something different about
her. Sorry that you're offended about that.
Excellent article. I skip over most Mormon-bashing comments. Sometimes I
correct misstatements made about the LDS Church and its beliefs, but I've
learned over the years that those who try most earnestly to denigrate and mock
the church at every opportunity often are a perfect advertisement for it. A
friend was telling me yesterday how he took the time to talk with a lesbian
protester at Temple Square. She was preaching that Mormons don't allow
gays in the Church. He corrected her. At first she argued that she knew church
policy and doctrine better than he did, but when he assured her that he had gay
relatives who were welcome at church, she eventually calmed down. Let us all
stick to facts and avoid name calling. As for atheists, I ask them to
reconsider and at least move up to the agnostic level. The difference between
an agnostic and a believer is very little. One has faith. A believer
doesn't know there is a God but wants to know there is a God and strives to
strengthen that faith. A believer has the faith to believe that living
God's laws will result in eternal blessings.
Evrett Benton - hope all is well - this is Lane Larson - we knew each other in
Argentina - now we are in Egypt - sounds like you are still doing great things.
Get to follow a lot of the Olympics in real time over here. Small world -
please pass on our regards to CherylChau
Scientist,Mayfair was nicely, and subtly, trying to point out to you
that your pronouncement was, at best, hypocritical. You simply added an
exclamation point to that fact by your response. To put it less
subtly, it doesn't say anywhere that non-Mormons can't post, just like
it doesn't say anywhere that someone can't use the Olympics as an
opportunity to "push one's own religious agenda." Having said
that, it is a completely illogical leap to jump from the content of the article
to talk of someone "pushing" their religion.If I receive a
plate of cookies and choose to offer to share them with my co-workers, should I
be labeled a cookie-pusher? I think not, but I suppose others would disagree.
In the case of events described in the article, a better analogy would be
co-workers coming to my cubicle and asking for a cookie.
What great experiences for Kate and for the Russian gentleman! Thanks for the
interesting and uplifting article.
@Scientist,I'm sure Kate Hansen is sorry. She probably missed
the "for Non-Religious Only" warnings, and the required login that
checks to ensure only atheists, agnostics, and intimidated-into-silence
believers are allowed to participate in Olympics competition.Will
you kindly point out where those are?Until then, as a Mormon
"participant" in the Olympics community, I'm sure Kate will
continue to offer her opinions and perspectives, WHEN SOLICITED, with the hope
that freedom-of-speech loving, open-minded people all over the world will not
try to censor or condemn her for not cowering to the fascist requirements of the
radical anti-religious.One question - why do you believe that you,
as a DN commenter, should enjoy more freedom of association and freedom of
speech than an Olympic athlete?
RE:b 1.96 Standard Deviations, Being married to a member and paying your tithing
is a win-win situation for you?My spouse is a Mormon but I tithe to a
Christian church(monotheism).When BYU’s football team was
national champions in 1984 the Stake President wrote an article on what a
blessing this was and would be for the missionary work of the church and that it
could be a powerhouse for the future? Apparently God did not bless it.Shortly after this for different reasons I told the Bishop that I became a
Christian and left the Church
Methinks Scientist only read the headline, not the article. She was approached
by someone who had already accepted her faith. That said:" I'm sorry, [she] missed the "[no proselytizing]" warnings,
and the required [personal pledge to keep her mouth shut] that checks to ensure
only [non-proselytizers] are allowed to [compete in the Olympics].[Scientist], Will you kindly point out where those are?Until then,
as a ... "participant" in the [International Olympic] community ([being
an olympic competitor]), [she is entitled to] continue to offer [her] opinions[,
testimony] and perspectives with the hope that [non-]Mormons will not try to
censor or condemn [her] for not conforming to their beliefs. "Sorry, you opened yourself up for that one...
Thank you for this very uplifting Olympian's story of hard work, struggle,
discouragement, disappointment, failure, success, and victory. Such an emotional
roller-coaster ride! My wife and I always love watching the Olympics. Now we
have someone very special to root for. Go Kate Hansen!!!
1.96,IF I discover I am still alive after I die, I promise I will
find you and "eat proverbial crow".Until then, I don't
get much out of cosmic snipe hunts.
Scientist - I don't think Kate is pushing her religion. She was approached
by someone that researched her and was humble enough to find the truck. It
takes faith and humility!Also, well said to 1.96 in Orem.
The Scientist:If a Russian indicated they had an overwhelmingly good
feeling when around you in the past, and later researched atheism and was
preparing to become part of it, you would decline sharing your valued beliefs
with such person to not "push an agenda?" I thought you loved and took
pride in your atheism? How could you decline to share such enlightenment with
someone? P.S. - Thank you for continuing to pay your tithing to the
LDS church through your member wife. You are the man! If you don't happen
to reconsider getting baptized into the church while in mortality, your own
tithing is helping construct temples where we can baptize you for the dead
later. I am sure you will at least have a change of heart in the Spirit World as
soon as you realize you don't cease to exist with mortal death. Being
married to a member and paying your tithing is a win-win situation for you! :)
Mayfair,I'm sorry, I missed the "for Mormons Only"
warnings, and the required login that checks to ensure only Mormons are allowed
to read and comment on DN articles.Will you kindly point out where
those are?Until then, as a non-member "participant" in the
Mormon community (being married to a Mormon), I will continue to offer my
opinions and perspectives with the hope that Mormons will not try to censor or
condemn me for not conforming to their beliefs.
The Scientist--Participation in the comments on articles about Mormons for
Mormons should be an opportunity to pursue commenting on the articles and be an
ambassador of the good will Mormons hope to promote in the world. It should not
be used as an opportunity to push one's own non-religious anti-Mormon
As long as she's not handing out pass along cards to everyone in the press,
petitioning the Olympic organizers to allow the Mormon missionaries to pray at
the beginning of each event and mingle with the athlete and spectators, I'm
sure she's fine. : )It's never a problem to be an example
of the believers - of which she is a great one! Thanks Kate and Godspeed.
Participation in the Olympics should be an opportunity to pursue athletic
excellence and be an ambassador of the good will of sport and athletic
competition. It should not be used as an opportunity to push one's own
Go Kate! What a great story, keep up the good work, great dance moves and all
I bet tons of people get baptized cause of this.
I wonder if this story merits the cover of "People" Magazine. I'd
certainly rather read about Kate's Adventures and possible romance at The
Olympic Games. Some of us are not so cynical that we can hope, can't we?
This is Evrett Benton. I just want to say that it was actually my
dear wife Cheryl who John Hansen initially phoned to ask for help with Kate's broken foot, and it was Cheryl who immediately went to the
hospital to see Kate. It was also Cheryl who was there to help Kate the
first time she raced on her broken foot.It was a great honor for
both of us to have had the opportunity to help Kate during her recent trying
time. We are so very proud of all the progress she's made since then!Also, Cheryl and I are deeply grateful to have had John and Kathie
Hansen's family in our lives for many years. Each Hansen family
member excels to "the max" in their chosen endeavors. In fact, they are
all "The Best of the Best" on many levels, and great examples to us!Go Kate! Our thoughts, prayers, love, and wishes for success are with
This is Evrett Benton sending you this message. My wife Cheryl and I
are the friends mentioned in this article, who helped Kate with herbroken
foot, and we were very honored to have been in the right place, at the right
time to be able to help Kate. I would just like to say that it was
my dear wife Cheryl, not me, who John Hansen initially called to request help
for Kate. Also, Cheryl was the one who went to the hospital to see Kate
right after John called her, and she also was there to help Kate when she
raced for the first time after her foot was broken.I appreciate my
wife, and both Cheryl and I are profoundly grateful to have had John and Kathie
Hansen and their incredible family in our lives for many years. They are
truly "The Best of the Best", and they've always been an
inspiration to us, on many levels.Go Kate! Our thoughts, prayers,
love and wishes for success are with you!
Thank-you for a very inspiring article!
Go Kate Hansen! We applaud your courage and determination to excel. Thank you
for being such a terrific role model for many. I am sure this story will go far
and wide. Congratulations on your life no matter what happens! You are a winner!