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Poverty will end by 2035, says Gates


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  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 24, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    Bill has billions and wants to keep it. Best way to do that is to tell people they are rich, therefore he should keep his billions.

    Just like the saying "the Lord helps those who help themselves" is not scripture, but a phrase made up to sound like it, to escape helping the poor during the depression.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Feb. 24, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Just goes to show how detached ultra rich left people are. Maybe he might be better off examining the fact that Liberal govts, including BO, are busy expanding poverty. Poor people who are dependent on govt are much more likely to vote for more govt because they blame the govt for their problems...so they think they should fix them. They have been mistakenly led to believe that govt can or will solve their problems which of course is complete fallacy. They perpetuate chronic poverty and a host of other social deterioration we face.

    Factcheck dot org says poverty has increased since BO was elected. Now, if the leader of the industrialized world is busy expanding poverty for political interests, what in the world would lead us to believe poverty will be ending?

    As long as their are liberals and government we will have poverty. They always need an excuse to expand govt to "provide" for the poor people.

    It is comical to listen to these "enlightened" ultra-rich people though. Completely detached from the real world.

  • Bruce A. Frank San Jose, CA
    Feb. 23, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    RaisingTheCeiling--Gates didn't say we are there yet.BTW, are you taking advantage of all the government programs available for those whose income is at or below the poverty level? Are you a member of the LDS church? They also have many programs that can help.

    Are you willing to relocate? Job prospects related to all aspects of the mining business go begging in NV. Computer work to equipment operator to "roustabout." And many will provide training.

    Also jobs related to the oil industry and all of its supporting industry ranging from food service to working on the rigs...and ALL jobs in between, in Midland TX and the Bakken Oil Fields in ND. Acquaintances with no HS Diploma are making $60,000/yr. Cost of living is high, but wages are higher!

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    Feb. 23, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    For those willing to sacrifice, work, earn an education, and look beyond the immediate, poverty can end. For those not willing to do the above, no amount of aid, programs, and handouts will end poverty. This is the lie of income redistribution. In most of the countries Bill Gates mentioned, many of the people are sacrificing immediate gratification for long term rewards, earning an education, and working hard. For way too many in not just the US, but Europe, and other first world countries, people are not willing to sacrifice immediate gratification and instead drop out of school, get pregnant before being able to take care of their offspring, and take welfare because a job is beneath them, etc. For these, poverty will never end, because they believe they are owed a living.

  • RaisingTheCeiling Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Bill Gates needs to trade me lives for a month and see if he says the same thing. As a person living in poverty I understand it more than someone on the outside looking in. I'm the one who is getting torn apart by high gas prices, bills rising, cost of food rising, taxes, Obamacare now a requirement($88 a month).

    Again spend a month in my shoes and tell me this.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Feb. 19, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Gates lives in LA LA land. Let's take care of our own first. Deport all illegals and refrain from giving them everything that only citizens are entitled to. Use that money to help Americans NOT illegals. Once we have taken care of our own, then we go about helping others. Increase funding for mental illness in this country. Gates is trumping his own horn and it sounds like tin.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    "The first and most ingrained myth, writes Gates, is the notion that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."

    It is not a myth. It is the truth, particularly in this country. And the poor are increasing in number.

  • Kjirstin Youngberg Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    Hopefully Gates knows something most people don't; Tesla was right; Edison was wrong.

    We have not needed the energy we have all been charged for since the turn of the century. Now that a true, working, over-unity device has been announced, we will hopefully be leveling the playing field for all. What do you suppose free energy will mean to those people in the Karachi photograph? More than ANY of us can ever imagine.

    It's about time.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 5:20 a.m.

    Very misleading and full of misinformation with no basis of fact or reasoning.

    The only way there will ever be any disclaimer to have conquered being poor is when world wide Socialism rules every country and every nation, including the USA. Only under socialism can you declare that poverty or being poor has been abolished or fixed because under socialism you have only one class of people and they are all poor and beggars and thieves by virtue of survival instincts.

    The 1% have nothing to do with it, only governemnt can create poverty and strife and we Americans are learning first hand how its done and our economy is equalized and no one has to work or can get a job. Poverty becomes the new standard of life the norm there fore there is no poverty. We are nearly there under the rule of Obama and corporate american NAFTA destroying and infecting us with our self destruction.

    Too bad to, becasue the USA is the only consumer country and we have no industry or consumer attributes. We are in a sate of survival, not growth. Consumerism is dead in this economy and beggars for charity we have become.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 14, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    When I spent a month in India in 1983, the poor were everywhere. Everywhere. Beggars followed our every footstep. At that time, India's population was about 800 million. Today it is about 1.2 billion. In 30 years, India has added 400 million people! No economy in the world could keep up with that population growth. I can't believe that there are fewer poor in India now than before. There are certainly more wealthy people, but only 74% of the population is literate. 22% are under the poverty line (220 million). 50% are under the age of 25 (600 million). India is expected to surpass China's population in a few decades.

    China seems much better off, and the culture is far more pro-active, but pollution in both places is beyond comprehension unless you've been there.

    In America, our politics are about obtaining more guns, blocking healthcare, offshoring more jobs. We're cutting education and infrastructure investment. We're creating an upper class of super rich and a shrinking middle class. We're creating more poor.

    Sorry Bill. I don't see the numbers, I guess.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    One thing not mentioned is that many people in society are simply lazy and are content to live in poverty. They enjoy having society take care of them. Many wouldn't take a job even if it was set right in their laps.

    Someone once pointed out that if all the money in the world was somehow redistributed equally, within 5 years the rich would again be rich and the poor would soon be poor again. It's because of the difference in human nature of people.

    There might be less poverty in 2035, but it will never be eliminated in the foreseeable future. It has always existed since the beginning of recorded history and always will... at least to some extent. Personal greed of dictators and wars between countries will ensure that.

    Bad government policies will also ensure that poverty is never eliminated. Economies will continue collapsing around the world due to corruption and economic ignorance.

    Even in the USA, the current practice of printing money faster than GNP increases as well as unsustainable record growth in our federal deficit will eventually cause havoc and economic collapse. That sounds very negative, but it's economic truth.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Feb. 12, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Hutterite said: Well, bill, I hope you're right. Poverty exists where there is corruption, war and oppression. You're betting on these being eliminated in 21 years.

    Can't believe the day has come, but I am in agreement with Hutterite on something.

    If we can't get rid of corruption and those contributing to keeping people in poverty by now, how can he think we can by 2035?

    I would love love for Bill to be right and for me to be wrong.

  • mr.tufts Franklin, TN
    Feb. 11, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    To end poverty, you would also have to put an end to laziness, stupidity, immaturity, irresponsible behavior, etc. etc. etc. There's no eradicating something which is fueled by the human element, human flaws, human shortcomings. Nice thought, Bill, but it ain't happening.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Feb. 11, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    I'll believe Bill and Melinda Gates pronouncements once they have given away all their money and live on the average annual American income of $50,000 per year.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    Feb. 7, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Is 2035 the year when the Millennum arrives? Or is Bill Gates and his pals going to empty their wallets.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    Feb. 7, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    I appreciate the optimism in Mr. Gates' assessment, and I want to highlight the fact that, in many ways, the world -is- in much better shape than it ever has been in before. There is greater access to conveniences, food, shelter, communication, and travel for everyone in the world than ever before. In the United States especially, even the "dirt-poor" living off government handouts live lives that the poor of many other nations dream of.

    ... But "ending poverty by 2035" just isn't going to happen, unless Jesus comes to prove me wrong. Poverty is a constant of human history, it's not going to end any more than violence or persecution or social classes. In fact, with the increasing push to give centralized government power and resources, rather than the people, it's going to get worse later on as the developed nations that pioneer so much aid and technology lose their strength.

  • Transaction7 Commerce, Texas
    Feb. 7, 2014 12:49 a.m.

    This article whets my appetite for the full text and any supporting information, including all of the myths mentioned.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Don't let the "income inequality people" hear this. They would have to stop raising taxes and growing government and CNBC would go out of business.

    One can always dream...

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    What a misleading headline!

    Nowhere in the article does it say there will be no poor, just that Gates believes the poor countries are getting wealthier. nowhere does it talk about individuals.

    Someone who is MUCH wiser than Mr. Gates and who sacrificed much more than Mr. Gates said the poor we would always have with us. I believe Him more than Mr. Gates.

    I respect Bill for his philanthropic work, and am in no way condeming anything he said, and hope the term "third world" CAN be eliminated by 2035. But as has been said already, corruption will need to be curtailed before that can occur. Unfortunately corruption is INCREASING rather than decreasing.

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    Feb. 6, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    I really respect Bill and Melinda Gates, but the only way this will be true in America is if all the poor die. We are doing nothing in this country to help the poor and/or uneducated to excel. They have given up hope. But a really great idea. Wish it were so.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 1:42 a.m.

    So good to read some optimistic comments from the richest person in the world. Bill Gates is amazing. I believe that he believes what he writes is true, and very hopefully, he is right.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    Well, bill, I hope you're right. Poverty exists where there is corruption, war and oppression. You're betting on these being eliminated in 21 years.

  • Franco P. south jordan, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 9:46 p.m.


    A wealthy man is giving away more of his money every single day than some make in a lifetime. He's optimistic about the good that is being done. I am sure HE'S seen some of it first hand. So for the naysayers out there or the people that find a way to blame politics/politicians for the poor way the system is being run...Talk to the mom who's child just received a life saving vaccine, hold that tiny little baby in your arms for a moment in your mind, who cares what country she lives in, talk to the husband who was watching his wife die right in front of him and his children when a doctor showed up with donated medicine that would save her life. See if they care about politics.

    Don't criticize or look for defects in the system. Don't complain because you feel like his money could be better spent. Be grateful that at least something is being done somewhere to make someones life better. Or perhaps even saving their life. What if it was you?

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 8:11 p.m.

    Interesting article with a lot of good points. Overall I think Gates is right. Poverty is improving meaning there is less of it around the world. Still I think there are a couple of questions that need to be asked or points brought out that he missed. 1. The income gap or the gap between the top and the bottom of the wage scale. It's widening and will that have an impact when people are being shut out of economic gain in terms of their ability to get to the top. 2. Why is it that in the United States the wages of the lower and middle class have either stayed the same or declined in buying power while those in the top 10% have risen substantially and will that have an impact on the discussion.

    I don't think it's enough to say we have overcome poverty when we get to a certain number. We need to change attitudes as well and work towards greater equality so we can truly utilize the talents of all people.

  • Reader81 SLC, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 7:56 p.m.

    I wish that this could be true. Simply having a country with sufficient means does not guarantee that poverty will be eliminated. I don't think Mr. Gates understands that there are many different tiers and factors that contribute to poverty. Take South Africa, for example. Racism and violence definitely hold many down in poverty. What about severe mental illness? What about corruption and war? What about addiction? I think that if Bill Gates would live in poverty for one year, he would realize that answers and solutions are not as simple as he puts forth.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    'The poor will always be with us.' I'm sure many of you have heard this expression. I believe it is so, but it is our moral duty to help our family, friends, and neighbors if we can. If only by service if we don't have much money ourselves.

  • elisabeth American Fork, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    and this was left out. "Put simply, Gates believes improving health is one of the most powerful – maybe the most powerful – means of fighting poverty. And he’s backed up by data." As The Guardian noted in its story on this report, published in The Lancet in early December, Jamison, Summers and their team of two dozen other experts determined that key health investments in low- and middle-income countries could, if done right, contribute to 25 percent of economic growth. and a wealthy country does not necessarily translate to wealthy citizens overall; he ignores wealth inequality.

  • elisabeth American Fork, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 5:23 p.m.

    Did i miss something? He actually didnt put forth any numbers or models, just the fact that poverty has decreased in some places. where does this year 2035 number come from? and what variables is he taking into account. id love to be all optimistic, but he seems to be missing a large part of the global poverty picture like already mentioned; political instability and extreme weather (which will most significantly impact poor people in warm regions.) Id also like a clearer picture of what the distribution of wealth is in nations with strong economies. In our country alone there are 46 million people living in poverty. Is there an economist in the world that agrees with them?

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    Poverty will only expand if the big-government liberals have their way. Their policies have actually limited prosperity and created more income inequality. The "hot money" policies of the "Fed" caused the stock market to rage last year, which benefited those with lots of money in the stock market. Meanwhile, those who get most of their money through employment or small businesses saw things shrivel due to more regulation, taxation, and invasion from outside the country. The great "War on Poverty" has been resoundingly lost by the very philosophies that created it.

  • Joshua H. Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 5, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    Poverty will be eliminated because the yardstick for poverty, America, has started to decline. Soon, with debt, government corruption and a deviation from the free market system America will more represent 3rd world contires. The bar will have been lowered and Shazam! everyone lives in poverty thus poverty becomes the norm.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    Just imagine the United States of Africa. That continent is very rich in resources and people. If they could unite, as we in the U.S.A. did, then it would bode well for all who live there. As RG pointed out though, political corruption is still a huge factor in causing poverty in those 3rd world countries. I do like the optimism of Bill and Melinda though. It is easy to always see the glass as only half full. Hope they turn out to be right.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Feb. 5, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    What the article didn't discuss was political corruption in poor countries. Look at Zimbabwe. It was up and coming, getting richer. Then Mugabe took over, and ran the country into the ground, and as a dictator, no one seemed to be able to stop him. Look at the starving masses in N. Korea. It certainly doesn't have to be that way, but as long as the Dear Leaders are in charge, it will be. So until we can eradicate dictatorships, poverty will be with us.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    its america that the middle and lower classes are getting poorer by sending our jobs to other countries. bill clintion and congress, and the george bush and congress. tax breaks for companies to invest over seas. bill gates is richer. and the middle class is pooer, in the us.

  • freedomforthepeople Sandy, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Thank you Bill and Melinda for once again leading out with data, information and perspective based upon facts! This type of information can help us move forward quickly, and effectively, in supporting international development. Africa is an amazing example of great progress. Yes, there is much still to be done, but its incredible progress needs to be highlighted so others can be motivated by it, and the progress will accelerate.

    Now if they would just publish statistics on how the poor in America move up in the ranks and make progress out of poverty! Those stats are hidden from us because there are powerful interests that rely upon the false perception that poverty in America is rising. While overall numbers MAY be rising (but probably are not), the important numbers to look at are the individual statistics of how long people REMAIN in poverty in America - not overall how many people are IN poverty.

    America's powerful economic machine provides opportunities to move people out of poverty, which is why we are so attractive to immigrants. It is a very efficient process. We need more data reported that reflects this truth.

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    "He and his wife are struck by how many people seem to believe that the world is getting worse, he writes. “By almost any measure, the world is better than it has ever been,” writes Gates"

    One reason that many people believe that the world is getting worse is that many aid organizations have a vested interest in keeping that perception alive. "You need to donate to our cause", whatever it is, "because things are getting worse and its a desperate crisis".

  • Proud Father Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    Great article. They clearly have a unique perspective on the subject and it is interesting to read it.