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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 5 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We don't have too much government, we have too many governments. Every level of government provides the opportunity for unscrupulous people to rob the ordinary people by having unnecessary duplication of services. The needs of people are basically the same no matter where you live. We don't need hundreds of separate city buildings, and we don't need to compete people against people economically.

By playing one city against another, business is able to take unfair advantage over people. Business does this by influencing local politicians to give them unfair advantages in return for higher tax revenue because of attraction of outside customers. Only thing is, when all the cities have the business the taxpayer is left with the bill and the business walks away with huge profits going to owners from the outside.

The problem is, government determines who gets rich. By diluting the voting power of people, people cannot properly control government. If you want more effective and efficient government reduce the number of government.

StateTheFacts
SAlt Lake City, UT

Ultra Bob, could not agree more. You are right on. Tax payers in this Valley would be enriched if we had about 16-less fiefdoms (small little cities). We the people should focus on required mutual "services" not government.

Advisor
Salt Lake City, UT

There really isn't bipartisan support of this idea in the legislature or public support in the community. Lumping these unincorporated areas of Kearns, Magna, Copperton, and Millcreek from the four corners of Salt Lake County together is not in anyone's best interest. That is why state statute defines a city as a "contiguous" area- it is best for services, best for the community, best for the pocketbook. Getting services to the four corners of the county is expensive and a recipe for disagreement among the different areas. When people can actually see the map of the plan, they can see that the plan is just not good common sense. Millcreek is the only profitable area in the plan. Their revenue has gone to support these other areas for many years. Millcreek, as township has no legal way to stop the flow of this revenue out of its borders. Mayor McAdams' plan to lock up Millcreek into this "pseudo city" is a thinly disguised plan to plant himself into another Mayor slot with veto power, to grow bigger county government, and most of all, keep the Millcreek revenues.

AmyJ
Millcreek, USA, UT

Following Ultra Bob’s logic, wouldn't we end up with one giant government which can apply the same services as "the needs of people are basically the same no matter where you live?" I believe we have 50 states in our union, each with similar yet unique needs The Constitution balances states' rights against federal rights. Where is the balance in Salt Lake County? In accounting, transactions must be "arms length" but the County has conflicting interests servicing the unincorporated areas.
Why should the residents of unincorporated be punished for the "expensive" management of city services, just because the County is the provider? Please consider the long-term effects of cobbling together a newly-defined "city" under the Mayor's plan. The project goes in the face of how a "community" should be defined. To me, community is best defined as residents living within geographic proximity who come together for common purpose and objective.
I'm surprised the authors are still under the belief that the County is being efficient with our tax dollars when taxes were raised two days following the last election. Where does it go? Three new appointees for unincorporated areas >= $200K. No thank you, Mr. McAdams.

millcreek resident
Millcreek, UT

Local control of government in our own areas allows us to meet the individual needs of our communities. The incorporation of Millcreek would not add another layer of taxes. The taxes are already there, they are currently going to the County. Combining communities in different geographical areas doesn't benefit anyone but the County who gets all the control and all the taxes. From past feasibility studies we already know that Millcreek is a feasible city. The past opposition to Millcreek's incorporation said they wanted Millcreek to stay unique, and not blend with other communities. They also stated our taxes would stay lower and we would stay united if we didn't incorporate. Since then, each of their points has been proven wrong. Our taxes have been raised, parts of our community are working to leave, and now the county wants to combine us with other unrelated areas. The opposition seems to go with whatever the county wants, and not what is really in the best interest of our community of Millcreek.

jcbrad
Salt Lake City, UT

Mayor McAdams proposal is a terrible idea for 3 reasons:

1) You can't fire the Mayor. You could have 100% of the people in the new city structure vote against him and still be stuck with him.

2) The Mayor's proposal permanently connects the budget of all unincorporated areas. We are already paying too much. Our municipal services taxes and costs are higher than all other cities in the valley except SLC. If the Mayor would allow each township its own budget and tax levels - perhaps. But he won't. The main driver for this is to enable him to shift money around the valley.

3) We forever give up the right of self determination. You can no longer be annexed into an adjacent city like our group is trying to do. You can no longer incorporate if that is what is best for your neighborhood. You accept a permanent pretend caretaker government that is expensive and not accountable to the people. Instead we should be encouraging self determination. Let neighborhoods choose to go wherever they want to go.

jcbrad
Salt Lake City, UT

Our area doesn't share the author's view of their community. It thinks its part of Holladay, not Millcreek Township, Millcreek City, or some new McAdams super city comprised of all the leftovers. We should be able to go where we want to go.

Pro
Salt Lake, UT

This article is misleading! The mayor is trying to put through a bill that would make all of the various unincorporated areas of Salt Lake County into a quasi city with him as the mayor of both the county and this city. He wants to change the law that requires a city to be a contiguous body. You can see the fallacy of this proposal. It creates several unfair conditions for the unincorporated citizens.
1-It creates a conflict of interest for the mayor of both entities
2-It gives each area a voice but they have to compete for budget funds with folks that have no common bond.
3-It leaves him with the power to veto the wishes of the citizens of specific areas.
4-It creates a nightmare to administer services. It loses the efficiencies of scale when serving such large and disparate communities.
5-It permanently siphons the money from the Millcreek area to other unincorporated areas.
6-It attempts to create an “Incorporation” model and uses the reasons for incorporation without really incorporating.
The simple resolution is to let/encourage the areas of the unincorporated county to incorporate or to annex to a neighboring city. Local budget-Local control.

lahlah
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Incorporation could protect our borders from further annexation into Holladay and possibly Murray.

That it will be a tax windfall savings, is bogus. The comparison to Holladay does not account for the fact that Holladay City contracts for "bare bones" services with the UPD. They do not pay for SWAT, Forensics and other services. The ratio of officers to population is more population to single officer than in Millcreek Township. The cost of starting a new City will mean taxes to pay for Economic Development, infrastructure and the many "wants" that residents have wanted. Cottonwood Heights Police department is under funded. Taylorsville recently increased taxes for Economic Development. Holladay has a 6% franchise tax on some utilities. Incorporators do not play fair when it comes to the tax issues and what we receive in return. If they would be honest I might support Incorporation, but until they shoot straight on the tax issue, they lack credibility.

lahlah
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@AmyJ: "I'm surprised the authors are still under the belief that the County is being efficient with our tax dollars when taxes were raised two days following the last election." This argument has been used to persuade residents that their taxes would not have gone up had we incorporated. Not true. This tax increase by the County was for the General Fund and was a County wide increase for all incorporated and unincorporated communities. Salt Lake City to Draper and Bluffdale, all property owners receive the same tax increase.

Maybe incorporation could win out - even if it doesn't mean a tax savings. How many times have voters heard politicians say "no more taxes" or "I will reduce your taxes". I believe most people are fine paying taxes if they can see a cost benefit and return with quality services as we receive from the County. Sure, let a new city lower taxes, but at what cost to services? How long will it last? Ask Talorsville City how many tax increases they have had since incorporation? And, you want our own school district too?

penny 4 thoughts
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

The flyer I received on my doorstep from those in favor of incorporation is misleading. The tsx charts don't show any actual numbers so it is impossible to know where Millcreek's taxes really stand compared to other incorporated cities. I find this to be deceptive. It also lists the Unified Fire Authority and Unified Police as 'layers of government.' These are services, not 'layers of government.' At first I was in favor of Millcreek's incorporation, but I have changed my mind. I am sorry I signed the petition for another feasibility study to be done. Also, one more thing: did anyone spell check the flyers before sending them out? 'Consistantly' is actually spelled 'consistently.' Poor reflection on the pro-incorporation people.

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