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Published: Tuesday, Feb. 4 2014 4:00 a.m. MST

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

Here it comes. Undoubtedly we're going to see the typical, callous rationalizations for oppressing the hireling in his wages. "But these jobs are meant for teenagers who don't need the money anyway. It is a valuable training ground for them. It is not supposed to pay a living wage." And more such garbage. The moral disease of GREED rages in men's hearts today, no less in Utah than elsewhere in the country. That is the problem.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

There's only one place to lay much of the blame for this: The President. Where are all those shovel ready jobs? He has actively and with malice aforethought gutted the middle class. This is a classic case of the Cloward-Piven strategy to increase the welfare roles to the point that the system collapses and brings in socialism.

DVD
Taylorsville, 00

Another problematic trend that contributes to this is that many 'middle wage' skills and jobs are being extremely under-valued and underpaid both here in the U.S. and also as a result of shipping them to Asia where the people performing the work are basically enslaved to their situation. (Sure, they could *try* to find better work, or even create better work, but the situation is arranged to stop any upward trends like that) Some fair-wage treaties and international rule of law in labor would help to alleviate poverty created by this situation both here and around the world. We'd need to get Washington's attention on that.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Isn't it funny that society says its ok for the poor to call the rich greedy but its not ok for he rich to call the pool lazy and irresponsible?

A_Chinese_American
Cedar Hills, UT

Numerous scientific study already have shown that increase minimum wage will not work out for the stated intention like “provide living wage” or “decrease poverty”, the only real consequence is to add fire for the national monetary inflation. That specified politician to use this fake and deceive political agenda to mislead and to take advantage of people has real intention behind which is to bring socialism to the USA.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

You know Me, "Where are all those shovel ready jobs?" you apparently weren't listening (what a surprise). Everyone of the shovel ready jobs was in fact created and filled, and it's those very jobs that stopped the economic free fall that John McCain decided to suspend his campaign for a weekend to solve.

Here's the issue as best described by Mr. Piketty of France. Our economy has come full circle and now is back to it's destiny where return on capital is higher than the growth of the economy. Thus the financial economy we find ourselves in where labor is not just undervalued it's just not valued.

Mr. Piketty's point is that this is the natural state of capitalism and the decades from 1910 through 1970 were the aberration because of devastating hits capital took with the depression and two world wars.

There are solutions (however the 50's are gone forever), however "where are the shovel ready jobs?" simply insures the decline of America.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Dependency is not compassion, its just another form of slavery! All the food stamps in the world will never, never eliminate poverty. In fact it enables poverty by locking people into dependency for generations. Private sector jobs will eliminate more poverty than governemtn ever will.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Correction:

My bad, had some typos, was typing on my phone. Poor, not pool, and the, not he. My bad everyone.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!

Oh yes, that chant still haunts us today:) All of the hope and change for the Utopian society that was promised with a little more socialism, a little more of a kind caring compassionate government to hold our hands. A leader that can take a nation filled with "stupid" people and teach them the correct way to care for the poor. No, it's not by providing good paying jobs. The real path is by printing money, borrowing money, increase social programs, add more people to the system, get more people out of work.

Yes that was the recipe spelled out during the elections. And the masses enthusiastically chanted their savings, their future, their dreams, their education, their mobility away.

How could their "savior" lead them astray? No, he couldn't have. It's Bush's fault, Fox News fault, It's the Republicans no wait it's the Tea Party...grasping at straws they look for others to blame. It couldn't be barack huessein Obama our pot smoking, chain smoking president. No his wife tells us to exercise...how could this be?

Yeswecan! Yes we can! Yes we can!

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The underlying problem that liberals refuse to acknowledge is that their programs have successfully convinced an alarmingly large number of people that it is their entitled right to be supported by other people, and that a lifetime on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of toil and progressively [ironic term...] better paying jobs as people increase their skills and prove their worth to employers.

How many of these food stamp recipients wold actually show up every day for a year if a job were offered to them? How many would stick around just long enough to qualify for food stamps again? How many would game the system and manage to get on "disability" instead?

The truly needy, truly unable to find a job have Obama to blame for his destruction of our economy and refusal to accept any Republican or conservative solutions. Meanwhile, areas like North Dakota and Texas are booming, because they are relatively free from federal restrictions.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Here's the problThe underlying problem that liberals refuse to acknowledge is that their programs have successfully convinced an alarmingly large number of people that it is their entitled right to be supported by other people, and that a lifetime on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of toil and progressively [ironic term...] better paying jobs as people increase their skills and prove their worth to employers.
em with conservatives;"

The poor are workers.
" that a lifetime on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of toil"

Absolute conservative fantasy.

Think of it this way even if you had 14% unemployment you still have 85% of eligible folks working. If over 50% of snap recipients are of working age you might assume 85% of them are in fact working. It's also reasonable to assume a large number of the other snap recipients are not even working age.

I know that's a number of assumptions, the point however is one, it is not the liberal dream to take other peoples money, and secondly the poor work.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber
"liberal welfare plantation"

Why do you have to use a racialized phrase like that?

@pragmatist for life
"If over 50% of snap recipients are of working age you might assume 85% of them are in fact working. "

That's a faulty assumption. You'd expect most of the unemployed (around 7%) to be receiving food stamps. I'm not quite sure what that leaves for % of people on food stamps who are working but it's much lower than 85% (maybe around 30-50%).

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@anti-liar

"Undoubtedly we're going to see the typical, callous rationalizations for oppressing the hireling in his wages."

The Federal minimum wage has been raised 39 times in the history of this country. Have any of those 39 times succeeded in abolishing poverty or income inequality? Have any of those 39 times even reduced poverty or income inequality? The answer is no. So what makes you think raising it a 40th time is going to do the trick?

Every raise of the minimum wage has just further deepened poverty and grown income inequality. Raising the minimum wage is not the solution to the poverty/inequality problem! The solution is a return to those principles that made this country prosperous to begin with: Honesty, hard work, and less whining.

carpoolmom
SOUTH JORDAN, Salt Lake

I have 6 kids in college who don't use food stamps, grants orlive with us and will have no debt on graduating. It can be done. They work hard and started families within a year. Their friends,cousins take food stamps, grants for school, and some live at home rent free saying it's impossible without mooching off mom and government. Our church teaches self reliance.When I mention this they say oh yea we believe that but this is different they need help for school While my kids eat ramen noodles with furniture thats hand me down their cousins buy new TV's, go on vacations, etc. People lower their standards when things are free and made legal by our government trying to enslave our kids with debt and not learning to work. My kids worked since they were young and have saved for college and missions and paid for all. Their friends don't work knowing that can get a free ride to college.Even when my husband and I were without a job we did odd jobs till something came,never taking a dime from government.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@Brave Sir Robin

Always, it seems, when people allude to "work ethic," it is a one-way street. It is about the worker, in terms of what benefits the employer.

"Work ethic" actually is a two-way street. It is not just about "Honesty, hard work, and less whining." It also is about dealing justly with one's neighbor and paying him what he justly has earned and deserves for his time and faithful labor.

THAT is the lesson needed in today's society. The insinuation that poor Americans are bums, is false. Americans are harder-working and more productive than EVER in history. But GREED on the part of employers has become a major problem in this county.

@carpoolmom

Now let's be careful about not implying or assuming that if others are not as "fully self-sufficient" as you say your kids are, then they must be slackers. There are far more parameters than what you have named and if we were to ask you a number of questions, we may well find that in fact, your children have several advantages that many do not. Hard work and frugality solve many problems, but not all of them.

Million
Bluffdale, UT

I like your comments carpoolmom. I haven't figured if it is genetics or environment that makes the difference on how children turn out. Genetics rule - but lifestyle and parenting (or lack thereof)exacerbates. Choices, decisions, and ruts we get in.
I saw a friend in the store and asked how her two boys were that were the same age as my two youngest sons, 24 and 26 respectively. "Oh, she said, they are living at home and looking for work". I accidentally blurted out,'Living at home?" I guess I was thinking of my two younger
sons who gladly moved out and are now a mechanical engineer and a CPA.
Parents need to show the lead and direct their children from an early age.
But then again Jesus said it a couple of thousand years ago, "The poor you have with you always."

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@Chris B: "My bad, had some typos, was typing on my phone. Poor, not pool, and the, not he. My bad everyone."
But no apologies for your broad brush over simplification and offensive description of the poor?
Yes, your bad but IMVHO it's not your typing you should be apologizing for.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Article title: "Most food stamp recipients are working-age — for the first time"

You can thank Pres. Obama and his Democrat cronies for that. Sorry, liberals, you can't blame this on Bush. Notice the title says "for the FIRST time".

Ahhhh, the genius of liberal thought, or, as Margaret Thatcher once said, "Socialism is great. Until you run out of other people's money."

America, I weep for you.....

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