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Published: Monday, Feb. 3 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

Well said.

Owen
Heber City, UT

I also see two senators - one who embarrasses us by taking a co-starring role in a shutdown that cost billions; another who embarrasses himself by staying way too long. I urge my fellow Utahns to help clean house.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"I hear one man [Mike Lee] crying out for a return to our founding documents and principles."
The writer and Mike Lee tout a particular interpretation of the founders. The one founder most shunned is Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton has been called the father of American capitalism - for good reason as the contemporary scene follows Hamilton's prescriptions closely, including public debt and the Federal Reserve. I agree there is a lot to dislike about Hamilton, but he shows that the ideas the tea party right most dislike have been with us from the very beginning of the American republic.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Mike Lee stands in front of cameras and whines when he is blocked from getting his own way and inflicting Tea Party tyranny n the country. Mike Lee does not support the Constitution. In fact, Mike Lee doesn't even understand the Constitution. He does not work for the best interests of the country. He does not work for the best interests of the people of the United States. He does not work for the best interests of the people of Utah. He needs to be evicted from office the net time he stands for election, and be blocked in his efforts to hurt us all until we can put a GOOD Senator in his place.

Mike Lee is the LAST person this country needs, or should want.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

One senator is so bent on getting 100% of what he wants that he is inflexible.

In the end, he fights a good battle, but gets nothing.

And some hold this out as great leadership. It is touted as standing on principle.

Rarely in a negotiation, does one get 100% of what they want. Good leaders realize this and find a compromise that all can accept.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Bretton..... I have no issues with you desire to remind Washington whom they serve.... but when you start talking about a singular person can channel the collect soul of the founding fathers, that is where it all falls apart. There was no uninimity across founding fathers. In fact, they argued and bickered just like today across many issues.... some a contentious as valuing a certain portion of the population as only being 3/5ths of a person. This issue would eventually erupt tearing this nation in two.

There was no such thing a "intent of the founding fathers". What they did do is create a great mechanism for dealing with these differences. But don't pretend that just because someone does not subscribe to your brand of America that they love this nation any less. And just because they respect both the flag and constitution enough to not cheapen them into props on stage for self promotion... doesn't mean they don't cherish this nation just as much.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Yaaaaaahooooo!!!

I agree! This letter has inspired me to grab my tea party hat from the garbage, put on my colonial stockings, and invade the next town hall to yell at and belittle my representative!

Let's rally behind Mike Lee's plan. Let's support his legislation. I mean, just look at all the good stuff he's passed...

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Didn't Mike shut the government down and hurt southern Utah's tourism and rural economies? Didn't it also hurt non-military families working on military bases? I think most Utahns are having second thoughts about his tactics for defending the Constitution...

Ranch
Here, UT

"One man says to let the people have liberty and be free. "

That was a real hoot! Thanks for the morning laugh. And no, I won't be supporting Mike Lee of the Party T.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Gag!

btw --
Despite this letter,
Offs are - Bretton Ferraro is a Republican,
and voted for Orrin Hatch anyway.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Americans who can read and who do read know that Mike Lee has read the Constitution and that he makes no apologies for defending the Constitution. Orrin Hatch is embarrassed by the Constitution. He told us that he would throw out ObamaCare. He did not tell us that he would replace ObamaCare with its identical twin, HatchCare. Mike Lee knows what duties Congress has been authorized to perform. Orrin Hatch cares only about money. He brought the NSA to Utah. He stomped all over the 4th Amendment so that government could spy on us, could listen to our cell phone calls, could read our emails. Mike Lee can read. He can use simple deductive logic to see that the ObamaCare TAX that the Supreme Court allowed Congress to assess is not linked to any authorized duty of Congress. He stood against it. Mike Lee did not shut down the government. Barrack Obama shut down the government. Anyone is entitled to an opinion, but nobody is entitled to their own set of facts.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Well said Marist.

"God will not look kindly on a generation that was given everything but fought for nothing."

Just because those who are fighting for civil rights (SSM), a fair wage, clean air, a women's right to govern her own health decisions, are fighting for principles and causes you don't agree with doesn't mean fights aren't taking place.

I've been a Republican and only changed because they became conservatives. Two views of economics and two views of international involvement usually is a good thing. What is not good is an ideology mired in the past trying to solve the problems of a world that literally changes at light speed.

The civil rights of a time when white, straight, men made all the rules, are very different from a society that acknowledges and includes all races, genders, sexual orientations, and ontological beliefs.

It is not helpful to have a point of view that rather than celebrating the genius of founders who not only gave us both specific laws but also general principles to use those laws through time, tries to drag us back to circumstances that have long expired.

Repbulicans..ahh maybe..conservatives, no.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Blah, Blah, Blah...

Mike Lee might read the Constitution Mike,
but
Senator Fiscally irresponsible didn't even pay his own house payments.

BTW --
Why do you keep attacking Orrin Hatch when you voted for him and kept him in office?

Talk about audacity...

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

So, Mike Richards,

Did you vote for Orrin Hatch in 1976, 1982, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2006 and 2012?

booshway
Woods Cross, UT

One Senator doesn't want communists, tax cheats and racists in the President's Cabinet, the other says a President should have whoever he wants in his cabinet and voted accordingly. I haven't voted for that one for at least 18 years.
Senator Lee did not shut down the gov't, that was Obama. Lee doesn't control the operations of the gov't, Obama does. Lee didn't block view pull offs to see Mt. Rushmore, that was Obama's doing. Lee didn't block OUR national monuments, Obama did that. Let's put blame where it belongs, right on Obama's shoulders. He refuses to see the national disaster that is his namesake - Obamacare. Lee has my vote until he gets Potomac fever, (seems every one who stays too long in Washington come down with it, eh, Hatch?)

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Lee has my vote until he gets Potomac fever"

Potomac fever = politicians who vote and legislate based on the money they receive from corporations and unions.

Are you for ending corporate and union contributions and lobbying?

Until that changes, potomac fever is inevitable for all of our elected representatives.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

You agree with one and not the other. With much hyperbole. Got it. What I don't get is why god is going to be grumpy with a generation that has been given stuff they didn't fight for. It was given to them. Why fight?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Mike Richards

If one reads the constitution, the sure understanding one walks away with is that the majority does, in fact, rule. No majority, no ability to make legislation. Oh, and that President guy gets a say too.

The Tea Party with Cruz at the lead and Lee in the wings wanted to shut down the govt. unless they could get their way with Obamacare.

Here are Lee’s own words in July of 2013:

“If Republicans in both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution that contains further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop it, we can stop the individual mandate from going into effect.”

So, the Senator knew what he was doing. He was advocating to either defund Obamacare or shutdown the govt.

Older Republican leaders (who can read or remember history) told them it was a bad idea. But you don’t need to listen when you are dead sure you are right. The President could not help but win this one but they went ahead anyway. This is the very definition of a fool’s errand.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Why is it that conservatives consistently are misinformed on issues? President Obama shut down the government? Really? Show me which piece of legislation he vetoed, or signed, that did this. What bill was it? He shut down the monuments? Show me where he made that order.

Why is it that conservatives are so misinformed on both our Constitution and our founding fathers? There is no question that many of our founding fathers would strongly oppose the conservative movement of today. These people were NOT uniform in their believes of how government should function. Some thought federal government should have far more power and that states should have little. These people, these intellectual elitists, would have just as divergent opinions today. The Constitutiin does not come close to supporting most of the positions the conservatives take. Conservatives are consistently wrong about what the Constitution allows, or doesn't allow. Conservatives, especially those who think no one else has read it or understand it, are consistently wrong about it.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

The tea party platform? Don't bother with an actual plan, doing the job you were hired to do or worries about actually being factual, we can beat them and lead with hyperbole.

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