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Published: Monday, Feb. 3 2014 12:14 a.m. MST

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Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

As tragic as the holocaust was it is important to remember in retrospect (and hard to believe) that Stalin was a greater thread to European Jews than Hitler, and his plan if executed in conjunction with the end of the holocaust would have eliminated European Jewish culture as we historically known then or today.

It appears that historically, Hitler was right when he stated that communism was the greater threat.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

After reading this, I could not help but think about the comment made by New York state's Governor Cuomo last month: That conservative Republicans have no place in New York, and that they should leave the state now. I have no doubt that this sort of mentality preceeded the attempted mass extinction of the Jews in Europe by Adolph Hitler. That governor should be removed from office for this sort of statement.

Yorkshire
City, Ut

Thank you for this article.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

There were many lessons to be learned,
But the most significant regarding the Holocaust is;

A radical, far right wing political group --
who hated and killed it's own citizens for being "different";

Homosexuals,
Leftists,
Illegal immigratns,
abortion Doctors,
poor and the homeless,
people with disabilities,
drug addicts,
AND
the Jews, as well as Jehovah's Witnesses.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Open Minded Mormon" once again the lie. The NAZI party is, and was a LEFTIST organization.

Maybe in comparison to a completely communist country you could call the NAZIs right wing, but the fact is that they were big government socialists.

They believed that the government should provide food, clothings, college educations, medical care, and jobs.

Lets look at what leftists have done, and compare lists.

Leftists kill the liberals (in Europe and especially in the 1930's these were the LIBERTARIANS).
Leftists established the most prominant abortion clinics.
Leftists throughout history havehave killed the homeless and disabled to make medical care cheaper.
Leftists are now encouraging drug use as a way of self elimination.
Leftists are now turning on the Jews and ALL Christian religions.

If you bothered to look at the NAZI party platform from the 1930's, it reads almost like the current progressive/liberal party talking points.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
To "Open Minded Mormon" once again the lie. The NAZI party is, and was a LEFTIST organization.

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Once again -- your AM radio college drop out lie.

Look it up,
it's in all the History books.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" I have, and it is only the communist minded history professors that consider NAZIs to be right wing.

First, remember that the right wing are those who want less government, and left wing want more government intervention.

Lets look at some of the 1936 NAZI platform.

"We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens." - This is LEFTIST

"It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good." - again communal and leftist

"We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts)." this is the definition of socialism.

"We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises." current battle cry of leftists

"The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort." another current leftist battle cry.

"We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press." see recent DEMOCRATIC calls for new Fairness Doctrine.

Those are just some of the highlights from the NAZI party platform. They are lefitst.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Would it kill you all to manage to get through one discussion on the Holocaust without trying to pin the Nazi label on either Republicans or Democrats?

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

Who exactly would you pin it on, then, Schnee? Kinda important that we understand what happened in order to ensure it does not happen again, dontcha think?

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Lasvegaspam
I would say that the label Nazi should be primarily pinned on Nazis/neo-Nazis. After all... they're Nazis.

I understand what happened, it's what tells me comparing either main American party to the Nazis is absurd. You can pick a few things that match up with each party but what seems to happen is that a lot of people just pick one set of those things and ignore the ones that don't fit the pre-conceived narrative being pushed (kinda easy to see in the earlier comments).

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Schnee" actually is isn't absurt. Just look at what the NAZI supporters did, and what the political parties in the US support. I won't say which one, but one of the large politcal parties has endorsed prison camps for US citizens, supports an organization that was designed to rid the US of blacks through abortion, supported the NAZIs during the 1920's and 1930's, and has many of the same goals as the NAZIs had. The comparison should be made, and it should be made accurately so that we can avoid making the same mistakes that Germany made by allowing a totalitarian socialist from taking power.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

Drawing superficial comparisons between Fascism and modern, mainstream American political parties shows an astounding deficit of knowledge and perspective of either category.

And anyone claiming Fascism is on the left extreme of the political spectrum must have missed the titanic collision it had with its mortal enemy of Communism from 1941 to 1945. The bloodiest conflict in history was all about competing ideologies.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Res Novae" I don't think you realized what you wrote. If Communism is on the left, and it is competing with Fascism, that means that Fascism is also on the left. To compete you have to similar, or in this case leftist philosophies. You don't see football teams competing with baseball teams. Football teams compete against other football teams. Just like the "titanic collision" between Fascism and Communism. That was a competition between which collectivist philosophy would be supreme. It was not a conflict of opposite philosophies like the fight between capitalism and collectivism is.

FYI, fascism is a collectivist philosophy. Even the dictionary states that fascism is a system where the economics of a nation is governed through a central power (that is lefist on the political spectrum).

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt
It's fine to make comparisons to modern political parties but they need to be based on reality not just because you dislike them. As such I'd select the Golden Dawn party in Greece as one I'd consider similar enough to be disturbing.

"To compete you have to similar"

You don't have to be similar to compete. A lot of conservatives consider themselves to be competing with Progressives and I'm sure you don't consider yourselves similar to people like me (I sure don't).

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

No, Redshirt. Compete as in they are in direct conflict with each other. Fascism is classed on the extreme right wing of the political spectrum by all but the most determined right wingers who refuse to look themselves in the mirror.

And I emphasize that no major political party in the United States can be remotely categorized as fascist except by those whose ignorance of political history and theory is exceeded only by their childish need to slur people they don't like with the label.

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

Fascism is a reactionary philosophy which arose in direct opposition to socialism. That is the case in Italy, Germany, and even the fringe element in the United States, which was a response to FDR's New Deal.

It is characterized by extreme nationalism, authoritarian opposition to egalitarianism, hyper social conservatism, and the idea that some races are superior to others. It is not collectivist, but seeks to intertwine government with corporate interests - in effect, a socialism for the wealthy elites. That's why it attracted sympathy from wealthy industrialists in Europe and the United States (including John Rockefeller, William Hearst, Joseph Kennedy, and Henry Ford, who all flirted with fascism) who were fearful of the rising communist ideology. These are extreme versions of political philosophies found on the right end of political ideology.

Fascism today has become a meaningless pejorative flung at people who disagree with you. To someone in the 1930s, equating fascism with communism would have been laughable.

If you consider yourself conservative but don't see elements of fascism in your views, that's good. You're not an uber-extremist (pardon the German!). But that doesn't mean the connections aren't there.

RedShirtCalTech
Pasedena, CA

To "Schnee" you should be very concerned by the Golden Dawn party. They are a classified neo-nazi group. Just look at the calls for socialism that they are making.

To "Res Novae" fascism is more towards the middle of the left-right political spectrum, but is on the left because it uses an authoritarian government and is socialist. If it was on the right. It is the right most end of socialism. That is why most professors considerit to the right. It is to the right of them.

To "Unreconstructed Reb" you also forgot that fascism includes a call for socializing businesses. This is generally called socialism. Remember the Nazi party is called the National SOCIALIST Workers' Party. They are socialists, but the right most side of socialism.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

I want to say something without getting my head bit off! Gay people were also sent to their deaths during that time! All of my life I have been told that something is wrong with me! At age 50, I know those things are not true! I just want people to consider what it is they do when they judge us! Can I just say that it isn't good without offending any of you? It isn't good and I should know because I have had to live it! We seek to do positive in our lives and we are told, like always that there is something wrong! freedom of religion is important! Do people think it is any less important to me? Faith is important! Do people think that there is no faith inside a gay person? When I open my mouth and talk to a Mormon family member or friend about God. what do you think happens? Usually they say nothing back! We deserve to be treated better than what is happening! All of my life I have respected the beliefs of those around me!

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