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Published: Sunday, Feb. 2 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

50 years ago a young man graduating from high school had a reasonable chance of earning enough money on his won to raise a family and buy a house. So that is exactly what they did. A high school graduate to day has a reasonable chance of a part time job behind the counter at Wendy's with little chance to earn a decent living. So they stay in their parent's basement.

If working class men had the same economic opportunities that their fathers and grandfathers did, many of our social problems would solve themselves.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Wrestling is a great outlet for young men but since Title IX in 1973 over 200 programs dropped the sport including in our state BYU, Utah, Utah State, SUU, Snow College and Weber. This is just one example among many where the educational establishment and social engineering to a certain extent has and is attacking the male.

But since a teacher salary is so low, males tend to avoid the profession today. Male teachers are disappearing across the nation in secondary schools and are pretty much an endangered species at the elementary level. This leaves a dearth of male role models in our schools.

For those male students in schools, the institution is best structured for female students. Outdoor activity and play is lessened in favor of students following directions and being quiet.

Finally, the male is under assault in our media. Take a look at our television programs. All too many males and fathers are portrayed as clueless and useless. I think this makes a difference in the psyche of our boys and young men in combination of these factors noted plus others.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The so called "war on women" and pay inequality that Obama and the Demos loves to tout has been debunked! Obama loses what little credibility he still has left!

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

As a mother of five sons, this issue has been preying on my mind for years now. I see so many public efforts to promote my daughters, to encourage their education and achievement, but so little for my boys.

It's as if society has forgotten that the inequalities of the 1960s were fifty years ago, and the pendulum has swung the other way. But we have such a hard time moving on here in America, that we assume males still have all the advantages.

They don't.

My husband and I try to counter the marginalization of men we see all over the media and in public schooling, but it's a tough, tough battle, even with two parents.

I'm grateful more people are noticing that BOTH sexes need encouragement. We seems to naturally ignore one when we obsess over the other. Balance is crucial for a balanced society.

heidi ho
Fort Collins, CO

I think that there is something very special about challenging and mentoring young men to do HARD THINGS, to rise to difficult challenges, and be MEN OF GOD. Men, (my husband included) like to be challenged to be courageous and be encouraged by others, (including their wives) to rise and conquer difficult challenges in their lives. It takes strong leaders, and mentors to hold them to the bar of righteous manhood. I applaud all the young men who stand firm in their convictions.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The root problem is the decades long liberal disease of "political correctness" which has undermined multiple traditional values which built strong families, a moral society, and provided economic opportunity for those who worked hard and followed the rules.

Instinctive and inherent gender roles have been denigrated and attacked.
The very institution of marriage has been attacked.
The family unit as a prerequisite for child bearing has been attacked.
The concept of reward for work has been attacked,and replaced by an entitlement mentality.
Schools have shifted from teaching fundamental facts and skills into "feel good indoctrination centers" where everyone is a winner and no one excels.

In short, liberalism has destroyed American men and families in order to make people dependent on liberal government programs and sustain liberals in power. It worked.

The solution is to dismantle the liberal programs and restore traditional values. But, we have spent so much leaving our country so deep in debt, and so many people drowned in entitlement mentality that it may not be possible to recover.

Aaron S
GREEN RIVER, WY

Good article--until you get to the last paragraph "Governments must..." Since when did government solve ANY problem--ever? Governments ARE the problem; at least a good-sized portion of it. If the problem is to be solved, it will only be solved when people realize that and entire culture based upon free and easy sex is perhaps the biggest issue: people are not getting married and creating strong family units. That, and that ONLY will ever solve the problem. And sorry, gay-marriage-advocates: your life style "just ain't gonna do it, neither", so-called "marriage" notwithstanding. When strong family units cease to exist, we see deterioration is every single aspect of society: the family is the "atom" of society and all the family-destroying tendencies of modern society are radioactive decay.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

To lump all men together is a mistake. What socio-economic classes and races are skewing the statistics one way or the other.

I've always thought that one of the consequences of the women's liberation movement was the fact that it can emasculate men at the same time. There was no movement for men at the same time to adjust to the new ways.

Men are expected to provide for their families. When they can't do that or are stopped from doing so without an alternative we will see problems and breakdowns in men's behavior.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

While there are many common sense elements of feminism - it is unfortunately based upon a clear and blatant lie: the assumption that biology does not matter and that men and women are merely persons with parts.

Until that basic hate is vigorously confronted and expunged - both men and women will suffer

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Everybody agrees that education is the key to success for young men. But we have made it virtually impossible for young men to afford going to college. It's breathtaking how much $$$ you have to put out when you have little or no income in the first place. What we could use right now is a free public university system. Of course Republicans would have a cerebral embolism if anyone were to suggest it...

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Instead of trying to make this another opportunity to push religion, let's push knowledge. Knowledge and intelligence are valuable, and the women of our society seem to have a better grasp on this than the men. That, and men have abandoned its' pursuit.It's not necessarily mens' fault; our society heaps scorn on smart people but lauds the sports participant, jock, and warmonger. Are we celebrating creative arts or electrical engineering today. No, we're watching football. Is football really important? No.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Let's not handle this issue with kid gloves. Let's tell it like it is. Young men are largely unproductive members of society because that is what they have been trained to be.

Modern parents have spoiled and indulged their boys to the point that the boys are not expected to do anything that is the least bit hard. This is then reinforced by the public schools which have already lowered curriculum and expectations to the level of the least common denominator.

This is all supplemented by the left-wing entertainment industry which teaches that a man is not a man unless he engages in wanton, uncontrolled sexuality. This will be on full display during the commercials and half time show of the Super Bowl.

Society as a whole should be condemned for allowing young men to be such wasteful beings. Reformation must come before it is too late.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Education is the key to success. A couple of years ago a former teacher developed a classroom program to teach middle school kids the value of how to manage their money. It has been accepted at schools across the nation. She brought it to my school district and it was reviewed with resounding complements and praised as something that really filled a learning gap in simple economics which our students need. It never came back the next year it didn't return. When I asked why I was told it was too expensive and the money would be better used on a soccer field. I guess it is more important to learn to kick a ball around than to balance your checkbook.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

In 2013 there were 17 members of the Utah legislature that were women. That's 16%. Women hold 99 of the 535 seats in congress. 69 women are admirals or generals (~7%). Approximately 5% of Fortune 500 CEO's are women.

Every major statistic shows men in the majority. How can men be so discriminated against?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

That is an interesting editorial. The comments about that editorial are just as interesting. Most people "get" the fact that society has changed the roles of men and women. Some "elitist" decided that the proper role of both men and women was to spend their lives chasing money. Some "elitist" decided that families were for "sissys" and that nurturing children was the job of the State, where that nurturing would take place in day-care and eventually in the school room.

That "elitist" was wrong; but, correcting those ideas will take personal effort; correcting those ideas will require strong families; correcting those ideas will require that fathers and mothers tell their sons that it is time to leave the comfort of the nest and that they must assume their proper role of husband and father in society.

Government has told men that if they have sexual intercourse, that they don't need to shoulder the responsibility of fatherhood. Government tells them that abortion is the first answer and that if abortion is rejected that welfare to the mother is the next answer.

Strong families must reject government intrusion.

BoomSchtick
West Jordan, UT

My wife and I have recently taken a vacation to the Island of Curacao. This is one of the things that REALLY stood out to us. As far as we could tell, the men around there did almost nothing. When driving around, you would see them standing around and drinking beer at all hours of the day. As we talked to natives and long time residence and even a few missionaries, that is the prevailing male culture there. The men are in the mindset of doing as little as possible to get by. They also seem to try to father kids that they have no intention of raising. The Women of that island are the real driving force from what we heard and what we could see.

I certainly pray that the men of this country does not wander down that road.

SusanTX
Dallas, TX

How does a high school education, cut off before college to do a religious "mission," help a young man complete college and enable him to achieve in an economy requiring no less than a Bachelor's Degree to have any success in life? College IS expensive, but it's mandatory for financial success, for men AND women. Time to stop arguing about who has the advantage, guys had it completely until 40 years ago, women are catching up. Griping won't change that, only hard work, college education, and equal pay for all doing the same job! The war on women continues, in spite of Title IX.

Demisana
South Jordan, UT

I've got a young man. He has multiple issues, including Asperger's and both learning disabilities and giftedness. Think Sheldon, only totally disorganized and messy, and perhaps not quite so socially clueless (although still very much so!). Nevertheless, our expectations include a bachelor's degree, a mission of one kind or another, and that he will work and pay for it all himself. He has a full time good job, and he's going to college part time as he can afford it. I think way too many parents have just decided to throw up their hands. You have to set expectations, teach them how the system works, and follow through. You have to stay on top of it. We got him through high school, we'll get him through this, and he'll wind up with a STEM degree in a money making, desirable field where he can make a living and support a family. Even with his issues, he'll be ahead of 60% of the other young men out there...

MissTeaching
Layton, UT

Boys and young men need fathers who are a positive role model. A study recently published showed that boys get better at reading if a man works with them. I recently retired from teaching in the elementary school, and I could see a big difference in those children who came from intact homes and those who did not. If the father remained actively engaged in their sons life, some of the boys did well. I once had a boy in my classroom who was always getting into trouble. It about drove me crazy. It wasn't until we did our program at the end of the years and his father didn't show up that he completely fell apart. I had never seen him cry before. It was then that I realized that most likely he had misbehaved because he wanted attention from his father.

This was an excellent article.

thunderbolt7
DUTCH JOHN, UT

"40 percent of all babies these days are born out of wedlock." What's the demographics of that 40%? Poverty families? Rape? Race? Background of the mothers? Equally across America?

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