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Published: Friday, Jan. 31 2014 7:50 p.m. MST

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David
Centerville, UT

I am concerned that this is the 2nd or 3rd winter with abnormally low snow levels. I believe that faith and prayer can make a difference because I believe we are children of a loving Heavenly Father who wants to bless us. But I am also concerned about our general attitude. When it does snow I hear everyone complaining that they have to drive in it, shovel it, bundle up against the cold, walk in it, etc. Basically demonstrating ingratitude for something that is our lifeblood here in the desert state of Utah.

I hope we can gratefully receive, and acknowledge from where our blessings come.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

The rain and snow this week did nothing? Well, it certainly helped even though it didn't put an end to the drought. In fact, one storm cannot be expected to end the drought, but it certainly is better than having no storm. Now, we need to have more of them, but lets not ask God to send one storm that would end the drought by itself, because that would be a disaster in and of itself.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Of all the human actions that could directly or indirectly affect the weather, we might as well ask everyone to spit into the wind as to fast and pray for rain. Both are equally ineffective.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

As I'm sure you all know, the global warming climate models predict the American southwest, including the Great Basin, will dry up. California is experiencing the worse drought in its history. Climate change seems to be happening faster that any of the models predicted. I don't get any satisfaction from saying this, but maybe we need to take global warming seriously. Unfortunately, it may already be to late, in which case we must make the best of it, and yes, pray.

AZRods
Maricopa, AZ

Almost as predictable as cold air in the Utah winter is a comment by scientist on a religious or spiritual matter.

A sad reflection of an empty life void of the respect that comes from knowing Gods love for us.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Scientist:
"Of all the human actions that could directly or indirectly affect the weather, we might as well ask everyone to spit into the wind as to fast and pray for rain. Both are equally ineffective."

Ok don't pray. In 1976-1977 we had a dry winter and there was a statewide fast and prayer. The week later it began to rain. We had a record wet spring.

It has worked before.

I am a scientist too. I think that scientists need to be very humble people. Science, at best, will never have more than 25% of the answers. Even if we had the other 75% we would not have the terminology to describe it.

ipr
Spanish Fork, UT

@scientist. I'm a scientist too (Ph.D in Physics) and I can guarantee you, prayer works, even when I do my research. I recommend that you test it the scientific way, and you will find out that it works better than bottles of wine or hard liquor, which are used during conferences.

Physics27
Cedar City, UT

Scientist,
As a scientist myself I respect your right to believe there is no God. Do not claim that it is somehow scientifically proven. My scientific observations and discoveries have in no way suggested that there is no God. I have had many more experiences and observations that suggest that there is a god. The sooner we learn that we know next to nothing, the better off we are in life.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Some medium-term things Utah can do is continue to move away from coal- and gas-fired electricity. Both are significant users of water to produce the steam for turbine generators. As Utah moves toward water-free energy sources, such as wind and solar, this will do much to reduce Utah/Western water needs.

As the governor noted, we'll double our population within the next couple of decades, and everyone will need water for food, bathing, watering their Kentucky Bluegrass lawns, to wash their cars and hose down the driveways, etc. We need to drastically cut water consumption to accommodate all those new people and their "freedom" use of water as they see fit.

Another issue is nuclear power. With the drive to build Utah's first nuke plant, that too is a big water guzzler. Perhaps we should have second thoughts...

BoringGuy
Holladay, UT

Science and religion generally do not mix. Religion asks people to believe in something, without evidence, based on faith. Science requires empirical evidence before something can be true.

Science doesn't claim there is not higher power .... just that tangible evidence is needed before it can be confirmed as fact.

BoringGuy
Holladay, UT

I'm thinking we should go with the rain dance instead. It would be just as effective in bringing about rain and nobody would have to starve themselves.

The exercise people would get would be a positive outcome at least.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

@scientist,

I think you opened up a can of worms with your comments. If people believe praying works, let them believe that. They have had experiences that have affirmed those beliefs, whether those experiences can be truthfully attributable to a supernatural being is anyone's guess. A Hindu will firmly believe that Lord Shiva may end a drought. A Catholic may pray to Mary or a patron Saint to intercede in order to end a drought. A Jew may pray to Elohim, a Muslim may pray to Allah (a derivative of Elohim), or a Baptist to Jesus. Whatever the case, there are two things that rankle people more than anything and that is Religion and Politics. Both are man made creations and both provide some sort of meaning, purpose, and guidebook to life. Your attempt to persuade them to atheism just entrenches them further. Their attempt to persuade you to believe in the supernatural does just the same. Neither you are them are right or wrong. You can attribute every raindrop to the natural state of the world, while they can attribute every rain drop to God. It doesn't really matter. We just need rain.

Just one more opinion
Pleasant Grove, UT

Heh, why not? What have you got to loose, except your pride if you don't believe. ;) You don't even have to tell anyone else you did it if you don't want to!

kfbob
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@boringguy

"Religion asks people to believe in something, without evidence, based on faith. Science requires empirical evidence before something can be true".

Nothing could be further from the truth. Religious people believe what they believe because of vast amount of evidence and spiritual experience. Modern man has tried to denigrate religious experience and invalidate it because they don't understand it.

Science must be testable by methods of science. Belief in God is testable by billions of mankind by personal experience and knowledge based on spiritual communion. Spirituality is impossible to disprove.

ipr
Spanish Fork, UT

@BoringGuy. Science and religion do mix. A lot of theoretical physics is built on faith - we have a feeling that something might be right. Next we start to investigate, do mathematical calculations and work with observations. Often we are wrong, and we adjust our theory. We do the same when we are searching for God. We too have observations and we too find confirmations (from God) that we are going in the right or wrong direction. A Ph.D is a doctorate in Philosophy only.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

I thank all the true scientists who have come forward to express their faith in God. Sometimes bitterness keeps people from being willing to humble themselves and accept truth. I don't think there is really any conflict between science and faith. Science can help us understand many things but not all. Our only hope to find the ultimate truth is with God.

BTW, I also remember the fast that took place in the seventies. The situation was desperate. We had a statewide fast and within a few days it began to pour. It rained so much that we almost got too much. It was a miracle and those who witnessed it knew it.

Eliot
Genola, UT

I will fast and pray that God will bless us with the good sense to use wisely the water he has provided.

Straitpath
PROVO, UT

Thank you for asking, yes we will fast and pray today and tomorrow.

Dante
Salt Lake City, UT

"Snow this week did nothing to help with the abnormally dry conditions that continue to grip the state." Scientifically and logically, that's not possible.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

This brings to mind something Mark Twain wrote in his short piece, "The War Prayer."

"Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it. "

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