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Published: Saturday, Feb. 1 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Utah's education system doesn't need a task-force-bandaid. It needs major surgery. The Governor allocated $3.6 billion for education. Google reports 25,615 teachers in Utah. Do the math. That budget divided by that number of teachers is about $140,000 per teacher. Another Google search tells us that the average teachers salary in Utah is $47,000. Now do the math. Is there really $90,000 overhead per teacher, especially when yet another Google search tells us that each student gets just a few hundred dollars worth of books and supplies out of the $6,000 to $8,000 spent on each student.

When a business is failing, sometimes the best thing to do is to close it down entirely instead of throwing good money after bad.

Maybe it's time to kick out all of the administrators, all of the school boards, all of the union leaders so that teachers can teach, so that our children will get an education.

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

Here's an idea, parental accountability. Meaning parents actually care about their kids education and don't treat school as a babysitting service. It also means adequate funding for education with those using the system most paying the most or , at the very least, paying as much as those who don't use it at all (childless persons). I tire of the flimflam about conservative accountability while many pay nothing or next to nothing, through taxes, for their children's education; that's socialism have ever seen it and many Utahans love it as it benefits their pocketbook while shorting education and putting the funding burden of educating their kids on the backs others.

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

Cont... Also, how about holding kids responsible for their actions instead to whining about how someone at the school was mean to their kid because they were held accountable. Or calling for peoples job, when their kid got caught up in the parents slacking behavior (e.g. the whole school lunch fiasco at the elementary school in SLC where the parents blame the school for their taking away their kids lunch despite the fact they, the parent, couldn't be bothered to track their kids school lunch balance. Why is it only schools that are held to account, they already have so many testing and reporting burdens passed by a legislature that seems clueless about what it is really like to teach. Let's see far more accountability from students and parents. Until then, nothing is going to change, and if the trend keeps up of blaming schools for personal (student of parent) failings, it's only going to get worse. Time for many to put on their big boy and big girl pants and step up to the plate. BTW, I don't work in/for public education; just tire of parents and students not taking responsibility.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Mike,

You forgot one very important group to kick out, the Utah legislators who continually write new bills, that in more cases than not, take time away from teaching. These bills are also typically not funded or at the very most underfunded, and as all good bureaucrats do, require a myriad of reports requiring time and man power that is taken away from the classroom. If the legislature would impose a 25 bill limit on educational issues each year, that would be a great help.

I would agree that our education system is not functioning as it should, but much of the blame is the legislature constantly adding of new programs, new testing, new reports and a myriad of things that parents should be doing but are not so we expect the school to do them. As a teacher if I could even devote 75% of my time to teaching my subject matter I would be happy.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The Legislature is responsible to see that the 3.6 BILLION it allocates to education is spent properly. The legislature represents the citizens of Utah who pay that 3.6 BILLION. Those who may want to receive that money with no strings attached might need to rethink their position. In Utah, most of us believe in "agency with accountability". When agency is offered to the schools without requiring accountability, we end up with the mess we now have - half of the State budget being spent on education and underperforming students. The $140.000 being spent per teacher is not producing the desired result. Our children are not being educated.

Passing the buck is a game played by those who want agency without accountability. Ask a businessman what he would do if "government" gave him more money to run his business. The first thing he would ask would be, "What strings are attached to this money?" There must be "strings" attached to public money. The Legislature has that duty.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

The strings are too burdensome Mike and it's crippling the system they (legislature and concerned taxpayers like you) want to fix.

And as a veteran of these particular blogs like you, I have seen you rail nonstop about government interference and intrusion. I would take federalism to another level and say that the ones most responsible for policing the schools should be at the local and even micro-local level (the direct stakeholders of the particular schools). Fred is right, we need him to more energy teaching children rather than filling out forms. This is what will help his students best don't you think?

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