In the past decade, BYU football, and basketball,- leads the state in victories.
Period!Every other spin is pointless.
It would sure be nice if the trolls could debate without being hypocritical...
Example: . SOS isn't important in Basketball but
it is a main item of concern in Football... . National Champions in
Football doesn't matter if it was 30 years ago, but playing in the
Championship game in the NCAA Basketball Tourney 16 years ago does matter. . Losing all your games against an instate rival in Basketball for 5
years in a row (total of 7 games) and going 2-11 over the past 7 years is not an
embarrassment, but losing 4 games in a row in Football is(regardless of the fact
that 3 of those four games were not decided until the final play of the
game). . Winning the Football recruiting wars by less than a half
star average is a big coups but losing the Basketball recruiting wars by over a
full star is meaningless. . And, belonging to a conference that your
team has continually finished in the bottom 25% in both Football and Basketball
and has lost money all three years that the team has been in the conference is
superior to being an Independent and being financially successful for all three
years of independence.
Now if we could just get Tyler to play defense, rebound and hit the open guy
occasionally, then we might be on to something. Rarely does a team that has
player that shoots as much as Haws win championships. MJ doesn't really
count because he was a better defender than scorer.
Two For Flinching"RPI is not a ranking. It's a measure of
SOS, and how a team does against that particular schedule."Trust
a Ute to make such silly argument.Please explain how you calculate
STRENGTH of SCHEDULE if every team in said schedule isn't RANKED.
Motorbike - this coming from a Ute who jumps all over BYU for living in the past
when bringing up 1984. Hilarious!If your were there when McGill
scored his 60 points, some 50 or more years ago, then crow about it all you
want. You experienced it and it is part of who you are. But if it was before
you were born or if you knew nothing about it at the time, then you are
rehashing ancient history that has had no impact on you.As far as
BYU vs. Utah, the accomplishments are fairly similar. Utah had its final four
run but BYU has been far more successful the past decade or so. And since Ute
fans like to toot their horn about being better than BYU because you beat us
this year, please realize that the all time win - loss record between BYU &
Utah is in BYU's favor, so BYU's basketball program clearly has the
superior history.I however, prefer to look back to when I started
being a BYU fan and compare the programs from that point one. Much more
relevant for me. I quite frankly don't care what happened in 1925.
WJCoug"So Motorbike - the 60 points was put up by who and more
importantly, when? My guess is that it was well over 50 years ago. You might
want to think about joining the 21st century!"What does it
matter when it was? Does the original comment about Jimmer dropping 47 have any
more bearing on this years' games than Billy "The Hill"
McGill's 60 points simply because Jimmer's was 3 years ago and
McGill's was 52 years ago?And if you're saying the record
is somehow more meaningful because it was more recent ... consider that there
was no such thing as a 3-pointer when McGill played yet he still scored 13 more
points than Jimmer.On top of that, McGill's one of only 21
collegiate players to ever score 60 or more points, he was drafted number 1 in
the NBA draft, and he's credited with having created the jump hook.By all means feel free to concentrate on the best years in BYU
basketball history if you so choose, but when it comes to comparing
accomplishments, Utah has BYU beat in almost every direction you could possibly
RE: Chris B. “I wasn't aware Pacific was a division 1 program.
Learn something new all the time”It is surprising that you
wouldn’t know a team that played in the NCAA tournament last year would be
a D1 team. Maybe you’ve stopped watching the tourney since your team
never makes it. RE: ekute“Other than Stanford, byu
hasn't shown that they can beat a good team.”Um, BYU beat
#25 ranked Texas on the road, I think that qualifies.Wish the trolls
could bring some actual smack to these discussion boards, debating your rivals
RPI and conference ranking is pretty weak. Sagarin rankings: BYU
#46, Utah #55, Pacific #1213 best BYU wins: at #40 Stanford, at (neutral
but in TX region) #37 Texas, #90 Utah State3 best Utah wins: #46 BYU, #16
UCLA, #96 Oregon StateNeither BYU nor Utah have much to crow about
at this point. I believe BYU has the higher ranking based on their road/neutral
wins and close losses to top 15 competition. Utah is ranked higher than
expected because they won all their easy out of conference games.
@Jarka-rus: I'm happy for all of your rankings and stuff like that. I see
comments about Jimmer on this line of posts. All crack me up. I think Utah
played BYU this year. I'll use the result of a real game to do my judging.
poyman,And yet why did Coaches Poll, USA today poll, AP poll...all
have Duke, Michigan State, Kentucky, and Louisville all ranked and none of them
ranked BYU even though byu had a better RPI at the time?
@ jarka-rusYou don't think Utah is a dramatically improved team
from last season?
STill no explanation from Chris B and Ute fans on why they claim their team is
sooo much better than last year after a pattycake schedule and a 1-20 record on
the road. Same drivel we heard all season through football. Yet they end up with
the same record and a no show at a bowl game. Funny
@chris, When you say that the RPI is not a "Ranking" I am sorry but you
are wrong... That's exactly what it is ... Just like USA Today's Poll,
the AP Poll, The Sagarin, BPI and the Harris Polls... All of them rate College
Division I Basketball Programs or Teams against each other and those who
understand college Basketball know how to read them. The RPI is
known as the "Equalizing Poll"... It factors in a Team's Strength
of Schedule (of games played to date)... BYU use to have a top 10 SOS but now it
sits as 23rd most difficult schedule with about 25% of the regular season left
to play (8 games)... Unfortunately, because of BYU's Losses to Gonzaga and
Portland in 3 OTs, they have dropped about 10 spots to #47 (still top 50)...
They are behind Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, and ASU, tied with Oregon, and ahead of
everybody else in the big bad pac12. the utes have climbed to #111
(just behind OSU) with a SOS in the 150 to 160 range to currently "snag"
10th in the pac12... Only 4 places behind "Pacific" however, which you
So Motorbike - the 60 points was put up by who and more importantly, when? My
guess is that it was well over 50 years ago.You might want to think
about joining the 21st century!
To see Chris B disparaging the WCC is understandable. After all, it is easier to
accept a loss to UCLA than to Portland or Pepperdine. So Utah's record
doesn't seem as bad as BYU's record because Utah is losing to PAC12
teams (and beating a few, too).However, the NCAA doesn't look
at it that way. They look at a team's record and SOS. BYU's record is
mediocre because BYU is a flawed, young team. They don't deserve an NCAA
bid this year. Maybe they can get an NIT bid.To me, the WCC seems at
least a tough as the old MWC was. BYU was more dominant in that conference
recently than the WCC. So to BYU fans who think the WCC is beneath BYU's
dignity, I say, lets keep our mouths shut until we start dominating that
conference. Right now, we're a middle of the pack WCC team. Live with it.
This BYU team is too young and it won't help that Mica will be gone next
year.So BYU will be in the scrum but I don't see a top 10
ranking anytime soon.
It's funny how frantic the byu "fans" get after a Chris comment.
Other than Stanford, byu hasn't shown that they can beat a good team. To
predict and mark down a blowout Of Gonzaga in the rematch is way out there.
Great win over a tough team whose record does not indicate how tough they are.
BYU will probably be ranked now. Wish more fans would show up at home.
Mika and Austin did what they're supposed to do under the basket against
inferior talent, they deserve credit for the win.A less than stellar
Cougar basketball team vs...Pacific? And there was still over 14,000 fans in the
building. It's my honest opinion that byu has the most loyal fan base in
the country, in all sports. Props.
Still no explanation from byu fans I see on why Duke, Lousiville, Kentucky, and
Michigan State were all ranked a month into the season and byu wasn't even
though byu had a higher RPI than all of them?Funny
ChrissyLook no further than how far the mighty buffs and ducks have fallen
off the mighty pac map to see how weak the Pac conference is, Zona is no longer
looking all that worthy of the #1 spot. Gonzaga could easily compete and
dominate in the Pac. the rematch in Provo is gonna be a blowout on the Cougs
side mark it down
BlackDiamond"Why don't you focus on getting someone from
your team to clean up the 47 that Jimmer dropped in your house. You have a BYU
player who u consider 2nd division holding the record in your own
building."And a Ute holds the highest scoring record on BYUs
home court ... by the way, that record is a whopping 60 points.
Thoughts on last nights game. 1. Decent defensive effort, but
could be better. Especially on 3 point shooting defense. This league is all
about the 3 point shot. They had lots of active hands on defense and steals.
2. I am glad Haws and Mica didn't have an off night or we would
have lost bad. Other players need to step up. 3. The mid range
jumper has disappeared except for Haws. Carlino, who is in a slump, shot
almost exclusively 3 pointers. Collinsworth will only drive to the basket.
Anyone knows this on the other team. They wait at the basket for him, foul him
and hope he misses his free throws. He won't pull up and shoot an 8 to 10
footer or anything mid range. Halford has an exceptional mid range shot, but
almost never uses it. On occasion, fake the three and shoot something closer.
Austin just won't shoot. I could go on, but won't on this. 4. Good fast break effort and execution. 5. I liked the
rebounding and hustle on 50 50 balls. 6. Nice ball movement and
assistsThis team has it all if they could solve their shot selection
problems. Talent and desire are there.
@Chris BWhy don't you focus on getting someone from your team to
clean up the 47 that Jimmer dropped in your house. You have a BYU player who u
consider 2nd division holding the record in your own building.
So, yeah, the WCC is ranked as the 9th best conference, using the RPI metric.
However, you do realize that there are 32 Division 1 conferences, right? That
would place the WCC solidly in the top third. Calling it a weak conference is
just ridiculous. And I really would like to see Utah play a full WCC conference
slate and see how they do. It won't be as well as some people would like
to think. There is a ton of parity in college basketball.Also, the
WCC is a better league this season than last. Sure, the teams at the top
aren't as good. Gonzaga is no longer in the running for a #1 seed. I mean,
they did lose a couple of REALLY good players. St. Mary's lost a pretty
darn good point guard, and the heart-and-soul of their squad. But the teams at
the bottom are much improved. Last season, if I remember correctly, they had a
few teams in the 200 RPI range. This season? One, and that was a recent
drop.I'd ask that certain people put things in perspective, but
I don't think they're capable.
A 55 ranking is really something to be proud of.
To all the chest thumpers, it was a good win. Good but not great. The bench
depth needs more opportunity to gain confidence as they have shown glimpses of
solid play when called upon. Actually just 3 scorers of signifigance against
Pacific. Haws was unstoppable but we must have more contributions from others
that we can count on when Haws cools off as he occasionally does. Game was
never in doubt but I suspect we have denser jungle to fight through before this
journey is over. Sorta missed Carlino last night and hope he's saving it
for the next game.
The biggest surprise of the night for me was discovering the the National
College Basketball Association has the word "flagrant" in its
CBIt's laughable how RPI "RANKINGS" are so meaningful
to U when Utah beats a Top 50 or Top 100 RPI ranked team, but so meaningless
when it's a BYU opponent.Bottom line:#48 BYU(14-9)
SOS #16 is RANKED considerably higher than #104 Utah(14-6) SOS #185.
@ Down underRPI is not a ranking. It's a measure of SOS, and
how a team does against that particular schedule.If you want
rankings:Utah - 55 Pacific - 119
Great to see some fire in the team tonight! They need to play with that same
intensity the rest of the way. Solid win and we need some payback for St.
Mary's Saturday night.Glad to see Chris is here worshipping his
favorite team again. It makes me laugh every time I see his name on a BYU
article. This guy knows the team better than any of us!Go Cougars!
Pacific won their conference last year and went to the tourney. A couple of
years before they went to the finals of the CIT. Seems that the Tigers have had
much more post-season success in the past few years than some team that CB
supposedly roots for. Santa Clara has also won both the CBI and the CIT since
CB's team went to the post-season in any capacity. Pacific is a
solid win. WCC is one of the only conferences in the country where only 1 team
has a losing record.
@NevadaCoug - echo your sentiment. No need to add wear-and-tear in a chippy
game. Let the bench out more. Bench only scored 3 points - won't cut it.
Really like to see Carlino, Winder, and Bartley do a 2-man press. It would give
the bench more life, create more stops, and play to their strengths. Pacific still scored fairly well tonight, often getting into the lane. Need
to throw them off thier game earlier in the posession. Bartley was guarding the
4 when he was in at the end of the first half, and didn't do a very good
job. But he defends wings well, and needs to be given more of a chance to do it.
Bartley seems to have totally lost his confidence, trying for a fade away
instead of taking it to a fairly open hoop.Worthington looks totally
lost. Here's an idea: on defense, foul someone, hard! On offense, pick
like you mean it, and catch the ball.Liked the mixing it up on D,
even though Pacific still shot well. Nonetheless - has Rose ever heard about
the box and 1? Night belonged to THaws - way to play!
Way to go cougs. In the past decade, you lead the state of Utah in
victories, and are the stae champs.
Nice win over a top 100 rpi team. The Cougs played better defense and were the
aggressors tonight. I see cb is out early tonight. He must be a BYU fan in
disguise since he follows them closer than most BYU fans. Thanks for the
support.After BYU thumps St. Mary's on Saturday they will be
back in the NCAA discussions with a top 50 rpi.Just checked the
division 1 stats tonight and before this game BYU was ranked in the top ten
nationally in points per game and rebounds and #11 in assists. They should
remain in the top ten in both stats and may move up in assists.Go Cougars
and keep it rolling.
@Anti,weeks ago the WCC was the 2nd ranked RPI?LOL!In other words, just as most teams were finishing cupcake play and
beginning conference play with the big boys, byu was done playing the big
boys(other than Gonzaga) was ready for conference play of almost nothing but
cupcakes.WCC is 9th "best" league per ESPNPac 12 is
So Crissy,It may interest you to know that Pacific, the last place team in
the WCC has a higher ranking than u and several other pac teams. Hmmm........
In fact they are in the top 100.You might want to lay low for a while
until the utes get into the top 100 in either the rpi or SOS stats. Just
saying. So if you are correct about the rpi as a tool to determine the
brackets, where do the utes stand in the rpi standings???? has their bubble
@Just the FAX,You do realize that RPI is not a ranking right, but
simply a tool to help decide whether bubble teams deserve to be in the big
dance?One month into the season byu had a better RPI than Duke,
Lousville, Michigan State, and Kentucky.And yet all four of those
teams were ranked but byu wasn't.Why do you think that is? Maybe the people making the rankings just forgot about byU?
Crissy, You may be interested in knowing that Pacific had a top 100 rpi in the
preseason. I can't recall where the utes ranked but I think it may have
been in the bottom 5 in the entire country and in the 300's. The WCC has
more talent that you might think. Just weeks ago they were ranked 2nd in the
country in rpi as a conference, ahead of the mighty pac. Of course utah's
cupcake schedule lowered the pac rpi and sos all by itself so I'm sure that
the pac appreciates your contribution.
CB#98 Pacific is ranked higher than 12 of the 14 teams Utah has
beaten this season.
People are always wondering why Bartley and Winder (and others) don't get
more playing time?This was a 20 point game, and then Rose cleared
If byu can keep this up, I think 4th place in the WCC is very much alive for
them. They will need to pull of an upset or two along the way against Santa
Clara or Pepperdine, but I think byu can do it.Good win. I wasn't aware Pacific was a division 1 program. Learn something new all