America, traditionally, is not a reading nation, and that includes Time
Honestly, ever since reading the Time article about Mitt Romney 6 or so years
ago (before the 2008 election), I'm convinced that Time literally does not
research into the LDS Church before publishing, or they actually have it out for
the Mormons. I couldn't believe how many egregious errors were in that
article, just about basic things (e.g. - like all members meeting in the Temple
every week - with a picture of the inside of the tabernacle being displayed).
It was downright ridiculous. That article about John Huntsman Jr. a few years
ago wasn't much better either.Time is hardly a reputable
journal anymore - if it ever was.
I wonder if this is Salt Lake City proper and NOT the Wasatch Front. If that is
correct, I am not surprised.
Studies show that atheists have more knowledge of scriptures and religion than
do believers. As an atheist, I must say I am not surprised by the Time data. In
my experience (including 30 years attending LDS meetings and listening to the
lessons and comments), LDS people overall are not very literate in the Bible.
Evangelical and other Christians far surpass Mormons in both the depth and
breadth of their knowledge of the Bible.
That's funny "scientist". I have had discussions with many
evangelical Christians and almost without fail I knew more about the bible than
they did. I knew the history better, where to find things better and was
generally more knowledgeable. And I am a very average member of the LDS church.
I think you might "protest too much"And those
atheist "studies". Not worth the paper they are written on.
I think if anyone actually read the Bible they would stop being a Christian,
especially if you are black or a woman, it is one bigoted book.
Beyond the explanation given in the DN article for why the numbers are skewed or
incomplete, so called researchers should also take into account the fact that
the LDS scriptures (Standard Works) constitute far more than just the Bible. The
LDS spread their scripture reading/study out over 4 books of scripture, which
includes the Bible, whereas those the LDS are being compared against use only
Would not surprise me. The Bible gets talked about in classes -- but not read
a lot from beginning to end.
I recently finished reading the whole King James Bible and I am a Mormon. Silly
study. We're studying the Old Testament this year in church. I love the
Accuracy is an fascinating concept for their survey since the Gateway has no
less than 52 English language versions to choose from. A quick perusal of each
version of the same passage left me quite confused as to the original
author's intended meaning.Likewise, it seems just a bit
arrogant to assume that if I have not used their software that I have no
interest in the Bible and must be an infidel.Or a Vulcan American.
@ Scientist"Evangelical and other Christians far surpass Mormons
in both the depth and breadth of their knowledge of the Bible."Not where I served my mission and I served in Atlanta Georgia in the heart of
the Bible Belt. Majority of my time was in the rural areas of northern Georgia
and the suburbs of Atlanta. I recall entering homes and asking them to use their
Bible. They give it to me with so much dust it was obvious it was hardly ever
opened. Nevertheless I used their Bible because too many times when I teach a
principle using my quad or King James Bible, they'd tell me, "Well
that's not in my Bible" when truthfully it was all along, but to show
them that it was I used their Bible. The shock on their faces that I knew their
Bible better than them was priceless at times. Even those who knew their own
Bible well was surprised at our knowledge of the Bible. I did this because many
thought we have a different Bible so using their own Bible debunked this
How in the world can you read the Book of Mormon without reading the Bible? The
cross references are amazing and the books combined make the entire event
complete! I love studying the scriptures, and that means all of them!
From the article, "The other study, by the American Bible Society, ranked
regions based on how many people said they read the Bible in the past seven days
and how accurate they consider it to be. Salt Lake City ranked 87th."From The Articles of Faith, "8 We believe the Bible to be the word
of God as far as it is translated correctly;..."It kind of seems
like "as far as it is translated correctly" would automatically bump you
down a list that wants to know how accurate you think the Bible is.....
1.95 million is the total number of members claimed on the Mormon Newsroom
'facts and statistics'.The article claims that 1.95 million Utah
Mormon's are studying the Bible each Sunday.Really?Activity rates in Utah run at 100%?Or is someone taking a little
bit of...let's call it....poetic licence in his article?
rightascension said-- "Would not surprise me. The Bible gets talked about in
classes -- but not read a lot from beginning to end." This is my experience.
President Benson tried to get members to read the Book of Mormon more. And, to
some degree some of us are doing that. However, We've got a generation, or
two, since President Benson's tenure as Church president who think that the
Bible is mostly incoorect (which, while some key verses are missing,
by-and-large, they are few overall.For years, I have often spoken in
my ward about our need to read the Bible much more, especially the Old
Testament. I would rebrand it (as the Book of Mormon was a few years back as
"Another Testament of Jesus Christ", we should refer to the "Old
Testament" as the "First Testament"; "Old" sounds so
'old', musty & dusty. And, indeed, much of it's
"dustiness" among us Mormons is that while we do listen to some about it
in Sunday School classes, for the most part, we ignore most of it, and very few
have read all the way through it even ONCE, let alone many times!
If Mormons are so knowledgeable of the bible then why is it that whenever I was
in Sunday school the converts always knew way more about the BOM and the bible
than the born in Mormons? Born in Mormons truly know very little about their
own religion, in my experience with the church, which is about 20 years...This
obviously is not true in every case, but I know a lot of comment readers will
know exactly what I'm talking about.
PEW writes on their findings about religious knowledge between various groups.
"On questions about Christianity; including a battery of questions about the
Bible; Mormons (7.9 out of 12 right on average) and white evangelical
Protestants (7.3 correct on average) show the highest levels of knowledge. Jews
and atheists/agnostics stand out for their knowledge of other world religions,
including Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism;" Atheists and agnostics
answered 4.4 questions correctly about the Bible.
Excluding Numbers and Deuteronomy, which are just odd, the real question should
be: who is LIVING the Bible and especially the New Testament.
So according to their study we don't read the Bible as much. Yet, when it
comes to testing on Bible knowledge, Utahan's rank in the highest spot.So what it boils down to, it's a skewed survey. Numbers collected
in this survey is as reliable as the White House unemployment numbers, green
energy numbers, budget numbers, Health Care numbers, troops in Iraq numbers etc.
The most important thing that was taught in statistics course, is you can skew
any information that best meets your needs.
I take this as a personal reproach. Perhaps the ranking is intended as an
indication that I devote entirely too much time to the reading of Deseret News.
I feel shamed. In the future I will put aside the newspaper and devote more
time to Bible study.
I've read the Bible consistently. I've discussed the Bible with
Catholic Priests, Born Again Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, people in my faith
etc.What they should have surveyed is how many people have a Bible
in their home and actually read from that Bible. I can't tell you the
number of times I have entered a home, with the residents explaining their love
and passion for the Bible. When we sit down to read it, they have to dig it out
of a closet or search the room for it. Then I cleaned off the years of layers
of dust from the book to start reading. You can love something I suppose, but,
you can't really love it until it's a part of your life.
Scientist,My experience is that Atheists are even more dogmatic and
completely close-minded. I've lived in several countries where Atheism is
quite strong. It is my experience that Atheists know next to nothing about the
Bible. They know what's been quoted to them of a few obscure passages that
support their non belief, but never, NEVER open it up to study on their own. So unless the Atheists in Provo where you live are avid Bible readers,
I'm surprised to hear you make this claim of Atheists across the country
and worldwide. There is nothing to support your claim.
Telephos,I'm sorry you feel that way. Originally, the New
Testament was written for and read by people who were disenfranchised and
castouts of society. It spread across the Roman Empire precisely because it
appealed to people of different races and classes of people. It says God is
"no respecter of persons", that men should "love their wives as
Christ loved the Church", and many other teachings which were revolutionary
in their time for preaching that all were "children of God". I ask you to read it in the frame of someone in the first or second century,
with all the class restrictions and divisions of that day. Even within Judaism,
Paul and Peter and the other Apostles were pushing the envelope to embrace men
and women of different nations. You use a Greek name....have you
ever been to Greece or studied ancient Greek culture?? I highly recommend it.
Why does the "Christian" community in America always bring on the
biggest fight against one of their staunches allies in the defense of Christ
throughout the world. It is not the Atheist, it is not the Buddhists, not the
Muslims, and it is always those who should be sharing with us in our efforts to
bring Christ Like service to the population of God's children. I
shouldn’t be amazed but I really am. I teach the Gospel Doctrine class
and study the scriptures on a daily basis.
The magazine industry has greatly suffered since the advent of the internet.
Quite frankly, most people do not subscribe to the old school magazines of the
past. The printed media is on it's way out. Their investigative reporters
have no budget for travel, interviews and are probably paid dismal salaries.
Hence, the poor job of investigation and relying on less than credible sources
for their information. There seems to be a complete lack of due diligence, fact
checking and honest journalism. If there was ever a Bible reading people, it is
the people of Utah.
as a 20+ year convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints i find
myself disappointed sometimes at the little time I spend in the Bible. I do read
daily (or at least try to) and i find that i delve into other scriptures more
often (Book of Mormon primarily)if the question were posed who reads
"scriptures" more, the results would probably been much different!
Well, these studies really missed the mark! Most LDS do use lds.org to read
scriptures on line because of also needing Book of Mormon and D & C
scriptures. I help prepare a Sunday School lesson for my disabled grandson
every Sunday so I know this. I agree with one of the other commenters, when
discussing scripture with a non member I usually know more about the scriptures
than they do, because of the daily scripture study and Sunday School. Bogus
research I believe. And I'm a little from the old school, I love reading
my scriptures from my quad, when I can hear the pages softly rustle as I turn
I grew up in the LDS church and we never read the bible at home. Never.I read it for Seminary class, just like I read the BOM and D&C.Even with the push from Seminary, most of the kids didn't bother to
read the books. It was the same in my ward; everyone knew the basic scriptures
quoted regularly, but nobody really ever read the whole book.
It's plosable possible. I can only speak for my self, it's been years
since I read any scriptures.
My personal experience has always been that athiests never read the Bible and
that evangelical protestants only read specific verses that they often
misunderstand or misinterpret to fit their own agendas. The only real in depth
Bible conversations I've had have been with Mormons and Catholic priests.
Another issue I have with this study, It only assumes that Christians and Jews
are God Fearing. The question asked was, do you reay the Bible or Torah weekly
or daily? So for those who are Muslim that read the Koran (Quaran or any other
spelling you want to use), they have to answer no, but that doesn't mean
that they are Godless people. The same could be said for a number of other
religions.A very biases poll in that it looks at spirituality can
only occur via one method, their view point.
"...for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same
passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling
the questions by an appeal to the Bible." J.Smith. We used to call it
"Bible bashing" in my missionary days and nothing ever came of it,
except ill feelings.
Scientist, you ought to get your facts right. Mark 321 was absolutely correct.
I found many dusty Bibles in my mission experience. I also found some that did
have good knowlege, but no better than many Mormons that I know. I'll put
my knowlege of the Bible up against any Born Again Bible Thumper any time. In
fact I had that opportunity many times to use that knowlege on my mission to
Texas, and my knowlege has increased over the years. No brag, just fact.This poll is a load of manure, obviously. Unless they checked the area
between 2nd North to 13th South and from 5th E to the mountains.
This morning I read Malachi chapter 4, and thus finished reading the Old
Testament again. I will now start on the New Testament again. I read at least
one Chapter of the Book of Mormon each day and one Chapter of one of the other
standard works of the LDS Church each day. (These include the three already
mentioned as well as the Doctrine & Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.
I laughed when I saw the surveys.
If the ranking is based on how often users access Gateway Bible study aids
(which IS a very good, extensive resource), then it is a no-brainer that SLC
comes in last. It is not a site Mormons would tend to use, even if they are
studying the Bible at exceptionally high rates. It would be like measuring
internet use on a computer based how often a person uses Internet Explorer while
ignoring those who use Safari or Firefox.
The Pharisees were Bible scholars so evidently it takes more than just reading
the Bible to find the truth.
It made sense when Time was listed as the publisher.What's
beautiful about things like this is that it really tells you up front the
efficacy of who's doing what. If people released a study that listed the
"most western United States cities" and put Tucson in last, you'd
know there's something really wrong with the study. This is much the same
case; any study or review that suggests that Salt Lake is inactive in reading
the Bible is exactly the same kind of nonsense levied against the Church during
the restoration. They'd might as well write an artcle suggesting that
we'll use a space ship to go to a planet full of lizard people.Honestly, atheists don't like us because we're Christian and read
the Bible, and Christians don't like us because we're not Christian,
we also read other stuff, and we believe things in the Bible that they
don't believe. People didn't like us because we practiced polygyny,
and as people riot to changing marriage, there are increasing numbers of them
today who don't like us because we don't condone polygamy!
A survey based on who uses their software? You might as well say that if
evangelicals (or any other group) don't comment on this DN article they
don't care about the Bible. How absurd!
"Why does the "Christian" community in America always bring on the
biggest fight against one of their staunches allies in the defense of Christ
throughout the world."It would appear that you are onto
something. Look at history. This is not an isolated incident.Religion typically does much to divide.
Church. It's always about the stats.
In the spirit of truth in advertising I think it is high time Christians change
their moniker to more accurately represent what many of them are –
Biblians.And for many Biblians (especially the fundamentalists and
literalists) their religious devotion looks every bit as idolatrous as those
Jesus and the OT prophets railed against.
For some of us who think quoting the bible is a spectacular feat, has to
remember the anti christ knew the bible just as well as the Christians. Also,
it does not mean that you are a better person. The bible thumpers and so called
religious people have and (still is ) destroying this world. Please do not get
me wrong there are some true believers out there and really do have a spiritual
connection with the Most High. I do not think that it really matters who is
first or last.
Article quote: "The LDS Church's blog post also questioned the
methodology of the rankings produced by BibleGateway.com, which had Salt Lake
City 100th on its list — dead last."Dead last?Really?Nope, no anti-Mormon bias there.
JoeBlow,Sadly you are right that churches in the past (and present)
tend to bring on divisions. Exhibit 1: this article which focuses on that which
(supposedly) divides us. However, is it really religion per se that
does this or just human nature?? Look at the world around us outside the US
where conflict exists and you will find it transcends religious issues. Atheists
like to point out all the religious conflict and ignore that the greatest wars
of all time (e.g. the last century) had very little or nothing to do with
religion. Take away religion and you would still have hatred, poverty, crime and
yes, even war. I find good in all kinds of people - believer and non
believer alike. I think the so-called leaders of nations, religions and various
factions like to create fear and hatred as a primary way of gathering and
activating adherents. Nothing more. Could be any ideology they use. If it is
done for a power motive, it is always wrong.
Don't be stupid....Time Mag. has their agenda and that agenda is spot on
with the accusation that Utah is not bible conscience. My suggestion is for
Utah to keep reading the bible and not Time Mag. They probably had huge sale
increase because of the article....don't be stupid in what they are trying
Everything in the bible literally happened.
Reading, understanding, practicing and believing all must have a different
interpretation in Utah Mormon religion.
Does this study actually say that there are more Bible readers in places like
San Francisco or Seattle than Salt Lake City? I wonder how a state by state
study would come out, rather than just a city by city? Plus of course, as has
been mentioned, the LDS Church has a lot more scripture to study than other
Christian Churches. And, as a missionary, I too had some experiences with
informing Christians of scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments that they
were not aware of.
I actually would not be surprised to learn that the authors of this study
believe, without having checked, that Mormons only read the Book of Mormon and
never read the Bible. They probably do not realize that the LDS Church
publishes its own King James Bible, to be included with the other standard
works. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
I read my scriptures every night unless I am out of town. I read them aloud to
my husband, Over the years that I have been back to the church which is about
16..I have read the Book of Mormon at least 14 times,, just finished it again
about a month ago! It truly is what brought me back to the church! I had been
inactive off and on for decades, had read the first three books multiple times
but never finished it. It was during one of those inactive times that I promised
to read a chapter a day to Father in heaven.. by the time I was done I was
active again and have never stopped reading the scriptures. When I do miss a
night I feel uncomfortable. For me it is a must! As far as this poll.. I believe
we the LDS read them a lot more than the poll says we do!
Just read 2 Timothy 3. 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times
shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors,
heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn
away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead
captive silly awomen laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.My family are currently reading the New Testament.
Reading and studying are two different things. How can anyone who studies the
Bible regularly believe in the Trinity? It is never mentioned or implied, and
disproved every time Jesus talks about his father, his mission, or the creation.
I'am still waiting for anyone in my own area that can go toe to toe with me
on the bible. Most recently a Jehovah Witness and a Creationist indicated they
knew their scriptures, but only to back down. There are several in my own ward
who are far more knowlegable than I'am. If you consider the Seminary
Program, you would have to know the article did'nt do any fact checking.
In the 2010 Pew Forum Survey of Religious Knowledge, including knowledge of the
Bible, Mormons had the highest number of correct answers, ahead of Jews,
Evangelical Protestants, and Catholics.
Not only does the research support my experience that overall, evangelicals
surpass Mormons in Bible knowledge and study, but my personal experience in
Bible study with many evangelicals has always involved MUCH more in-depth
study... in the original languages!Poor Mormons' pride gets
hurt when someone is shown to "outrighteous" them?That in
and of itself is telling.
RE: happy2bhereLDS Church publishes its own King James Bible. Did
you know? We have accurate well- preserved Copies of the original text. There
are some 5,500 early N.T. MS, and they contain all or nearly all of the original
text . The original text can be reconstructed 99% accuracy. There is a
distinction between the text and the truth of the text. While we have 99% of
the original text, 100% of the truth comes through.Over 26,000 N.T.
quotes from the(2nd c) disciples of the apostles and early church fathers can
reconstruct the N.T. except 12 verses.John 7:53-8:11, is not contained in
the earliest and best MSS and not an original part of the Gospel of John. .
B. M. Metzger ” VS 3Nephi 14:5, 5b & D&C 42:25a.RE:
The Caravan Moves On, no anti-Mormon bias?JS,"Ignorant
translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have
committed many errors" (T. of P.J.S., p. 327). LDS Mark E. Peterson said,
"Many insertions were made, some of them 'slanted' for selfish
purposes, while at times deliberate falsifications and fabrications were
perpetrated" (As Translated Correctly, p. 4)
Flashback-I have read that passage numerous times but normally concluded
my focus after verse 5. Thanks for posting verses 6 and 7, particularly verse 7,
"Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
That says it all.
The Bible, to most Protestants, is the New Testament and Psalms. I believe the
numbers would be different if they had separated the questions on Old and New
Testament reading.I remember a statement from my statistics
professor--"Statistics don't lie but statisticians lie a lot."
Well the one result has the obvious explanation of LDS members using the LDS
scripture site (heck, I'm not a member but still use it if I want to look
something up in the Bible since I like that site). Can't think of a
particularly logical example for the other survey leading to skewed results
article-"But BibleGateway's rankings were based solely on how often
people in a region used its own Bible-searching software."We
have our own Bible-searching 'software'-- so sorry, no need for yours.
@Flashback – “This know also, that in the last days perilous times
shall come.”By almost any measurement of morality (not to be
confused with religious belief) we could conceive of, including those you cite,
society is better off today than at any time in history. The world is a far more
harmonious and less tribal (i.e., our tribe good, all others bad) than
it’s ever been.The only reason it may not seem like it is our
media (which is built on fear & sensationalism). If everyone in, say, the
Roman Empire days had a TV with our modern media reporting on every horrible
deed committed by their fellow man, people would have been utterly paralyzed
with terror.So perhaps the “end times” are still far off
(assuming they are not accelerated by religious zealots and their lust for the
Apocalypse). That is perhaps our biggest danger we face today…
Scientist,Can you provide us with a reference the "research"
you referenced? Let me say I learn from non LDS perspectives about
the Bible (e.g. the story on Ravi Zacharias about the Eastern meaning of the
Prodigal son requesting his inheritance). But I'm sure they could learn a
few things from us as well. Why all this rancor and debate? I think God is
displeased when we bicker over banalities RE the Scriptures. What God
doesn't like is division and hate. Plus...in the end what
matters is how we LIVE the scriptures, not how much we know. If we
"know" and don't "do" we're in big trouble.
We all love and quote the "lists" that important sounding organizations
come up with even though their methodologies are often ludicrous.A
few years ago there was a list of the "most depressed States in the
Union" and then a few weeks later a list of the "happiest States in the
Union." Somehow Utah managed to be at the top of both lists. Apparently
anyone can "prove" anything they want and make a list the nation's
newspapers will publish. I'm certain, that given the right criteria, I
could conclusively show that Utah is actually the most liquored-up State of the
Union. Come to think of it, I may do just that. Watch this space...
The Scientist - “Not only does the research support my
experience that overall, evangelicals surpass Mormons in Bible knowledge and
study,”Except that the comments call the
“research” methodology into question, point out the potential for
missing or biased data, and cite contrary information as counter evidence.
Surely a scientist would investigate the methodological strength underlying this
survey andexamining alternative explanations for its findings. “but my personal experience in Bible study with many evangelicals has
always involved MUCH more in-depth study... in the original languages!”I’ve known many Mormons who are fluent in Hebrew and/or Koine
Greek. I know others who are conversant in the fields of higher and lower
biblical criticisms. I fail to see how your anecdotal experience is privileged
over mine. “Poor Mormons' pride gets hurt when someone
is shown to "outrighteous" them?”Nonsense. I
don’t feel “outrighteoused” if someone else studies the Bible
more than I do. I resent the implication that it doesn’t have a place in
my faith. “That in and of itself is telling.”Your hostility and need to spin anything associated with Mormonism is equally
The results of this study seem to be a Red Heering. This DN article hints that
the Methodology used seems based on usage of a specific type of Bible software
and not on just reading the Bible per se. I've read about this survey
elsewhere and it notes that the most religous folks seem to be in Tennesee. In
plain terms, this is analogous to linking the use of MAC-based computers to PC
literacy where the MS universe is simply ignored.If the Des News
Staff were to simply call the Publisher/Editor/Author of the article and ask for
the methodology used in the Study, I think that would clarify things AND cool
off alot of Hot-under-the-Collar Des News readers.
There are people, and I tend to agree with them, who believe that study of the
Bible that begins and ends with the uncritical belief that the Bible is the word
of a god and reliable history is not really Bible study at all.For
instance, from a careful, serious study of the Bible it would be rational and
reasonable to conclude that Judaism has been right about Jesus and the New
Testament and Christianity for 2000 years... Jesus is not really a fulfillment
of messianic Hebrew prophecy, the Gospels are not literal history from
eye-witnesses to Jesus, and Christianity and Christian theology are not really
consistent with either continuation or fulfillment of Judaism or Hebrew thought
or scripture.From my own observation and experience, I wouldn't
be surprised if Utah is last in Bible study.
Okay, the American Bible Study one has SLC 87th out of 100. That one is based on
(click the link on this article and look at the small print on the map)
telephone and online interviews. Also it says that this is the percentage of
respondents who reported reading the bible within the past 7 days AND chose
"agree strongly" to the question about accuracy of the Bible. Let's
consider both of these.For the former, this survey was done over a
"7 year period ending August 2013". I've seen several comments
about studying the Old Testament every week, but that's not true every
year. So for LDS members contacted in one of the BoM years, for instance, you
might start getting some no's about weekly study. The latter
because of that LDS belief in scriptures being correct "as far as
they're translated correctly". I suspect that a lot of LDS members are
choosing "Agree" instead of "Strongly Agree" to the question of
Bible accuracy because of that. End result is they got a rate of 19%
for Salt Lake City. So, knowing all that, this isn't as surprising as it
was at first glance.
Well maybe it shows that in Salt Lake City they dont believe in Fairy Tales!
Interesting.I have many friends who are quite active in their
respective churches (Christian, but non-LDS) where they have teaching and
leadership roles. In general I know the bible at least as well as they do.My kids who attended seminary tend to know the bible at least as well as
their friends who are similarly active in the other churches. This was true in
the Northeast as well.Overall, I find LDS familiarity with the NT to
be about on par with similarly active non-LDS Christians. However, I think the
LDS have a better understanding of the OT and how it relates to the NT.Just my own observations.
Wow!. This is one time SLC should take the ranking and run with it! Have you
seriously read what is in the Bible?? I would be proud to say I dodn't read
it as much!
Does it really matter ? Do members of the Church need such an
approval ?Read this comment : Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we
have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it
were by the Jews? Know ye not that there are more nations than one?
Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember
those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above
and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men,
yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?Who is talking here ? It
is the same Lord talking to Nephi as did to Paul or Peter !Can we handle
such comparison ? We cannot and should not devide the Lord !How can
a member of the Church of Jesus Christ read the BM and not the Bible ?It
is just impossible !
Cities with large populations of Catholics are also marked Godless.
Did anyone actually read the article?It plainly says,
"BibleGateway's rankings were based solely on how often people in a
region used its own Bible-searching software". So what their conclusions
should have been is that "residents of Salt Lake City use our software less
than anyone else". The article then goes on to point out that most members
of the LDS Church use the tools at lds.org. It's shocking to me that
anyone is actually taking this "research" seriously.This
just in... Microsoft reports that San Francisco is the least tech savvy city in
America ("rankings based solely on how often people in the region used its
own internet-search software, Bing"). I'm sure Google would have
nothing to say about that...
The problem was the way that they defined "Bible Mindedness" in the
study. It was synonymous with "uneducated". There may be some LDS,
that take the Bible literally, but most believe in science also. We believe
that the Bible is literal when meant to be literal, and figurative, and
metaphoric, when meant to be so. Therefore, we are not considered "Bible
Minded" as far as the study was concerned.
This article literally made me laugh out load. For a second, I actually felt a
little bit guilty for mocking someone else's beliefs (or studies, as the
case may be). But then it occurred to me that I am clearly too biblically
illiterate to experience such a strongly biblically prescribed emotion.
I doubt it,The Deseret news posts an article a minute about the bible or
SharonnaHave you read the various Bibles published in just the
English language alone? It is easy for translators of the Bible to use new or
different words and therefore new or different meanings can be assigned to the
truth the Bible teaches. That is why the LDS Church just decided to stick with
the good old King James Version and its traditional English language. That also
is why we need modern day revelation, so people won't modernize scripture
to suit their needs. And that is why I believe God would never leave us alone to
just try to understand scripture without revelation. Even if people translate
it from its origional languages, to English, Spanish, or German, ect. there is
still some interpretation needed due to words not always having a same cross
language meaning. Modern day revelation. That will assure the correct
understanding of scripture. Regardless of what language it is read in. The
Book of Mormon has been translated into something like 60 different languages.
One thing that has not been said in the comments is the difference between how
evangelials and Mormons view the Bible. For evangelicals, it is the source of
their authority. For Mormons, it is scripture, but not the basis of authority
in the Church. Along with other theological disagreements, that has always
rankled evangelicals and I sense this view coming through here in how this
survey was presented. I suppose one good result of this for
believers is to help ask the question of whether we are taking the Bible
seriously enough in our own personal study. There are some dry stretches, but
most of it is moving and powerful...
We believe the Bible to be the word of God. PERIOD.We read it daily or close to
it with the standard works. We are a Bible teaching people no matter where or
what city we live in. There are probably more churches with the name of Jesus
Christ in Salt Lake County than anywhere else in the nation.
It seems like efforts to develop ecclesiastical relationships with the
'bible study' institutions providing the grist for Time's mill
are pretty futile. Nothing new. Same as the burned over district in upstate NY
in the early 19th century.
The bigger question isn't who spends more time studying the Bible, but who
more closely follows the golden rule and has a better more basic understanding
without false traditions of culture clouding what is said in the Bible.If you for example believe that God is all powerful and all loving yet will
consign a person to hell if they don't accept Jesus as their savior in this
life time, then your conception of God is not only illogical, but you make God
out to be a greater monster than Ossama Bin Ladin. You may spend lots of time
reading the Bible, but you show a basic lack of understanding.Those
in the Bible belt I imagine spend more time studying the Bible than most people
in Utah, but for all this time they spend they have a gross misunderstanding of
It depends on what you consider Bible study? If quoting the same half dozen
saved by grace verses over and over again and disregarding the rest of the book
constitutes Bible study, then you'll got us beat.
OK, enough people have commented on how absurd this "study" is.
I'll just quote the numbers from the Barna Research Group (July 9, 2001),
which showed that barely half of all Protestant adults (54%) read the Bible
during a typical week, yet that Mormons are more likely to read the Bible during
a week than are Protestants. See the numbers for yourselves (Denomination:
%Attend Church/%Read Bible):Catholics: 48/23; Episcopal: 30/30;
Lutheran (any type): 43/32; Methodist (any) 49/43; Presbyterian (any): 49/48;
Adventist: 47/49; Church of Christ: 58/53; Baptist (any type): 50/55; Assembly
of God: 69/66; Christian non-denominational: 61/66; Latter-Day Saints: 71/67;
Pentecostal Foursquare: 66/75So as you can see for yourself,
Latter-day Saints, except for the Pentecostals, are the most Bible-reading
denomination there is. Read it for yourself at Barna's website.
To all those who are bragging about how much more they know the Bible than
Mainstream Christians because of some experience on their mission, the same can
be said about many Mormons in Utah. I once tried to discuss some verses I found
disturbing in the Book of Mormon to a Sister missionary at Temple Square, and
along the discussion found out she had never once even read the Book of Mormon.
Not all believers are equal in their devotion, no matter what faith you are. I
know I have sent away many a LDS missionary dazed and confused about what was in
their own D&C and Book of Mormon. So don't pat yourself too much on the
mdp Bountiful, utah wrote:"How can anyone who studies the Bible
regularly believe in the Trinity?"How can anyone who reads and
studies the Book of Mormon not believe in the Trinity?First read 2
Nephi 31:21 and Alma 11:44 Now, look at Mosiah 15:1-5, which reads, "And now
Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall
come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he
dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the
flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son--The Father,
because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh;
thus becoming the Father and the Son--And they are one God, yea, the very
Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to
the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and
yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and
scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people."
Of course, Offended Mormons will object and criticize the methodology and
assumptions of any study that shows them not to be the more righteous and
"peculiar" people they feel god has called them to be.But
just do some basic math:Other Christians typically hold weekly Bible
study in addition to their Sabbath worship and Sunday School, as well as daily
scripture reading from the Bible. They study the 1,189 chapters of the Bible
year in and year out.Mormons focus on studying the OT and NT only
every fourth year, with prophetic preference given to reading the Book of Mormon
as personal scripture study. In addition to the 1,189 chapters of the Bible,
they must spread their attention and study over another 239 chapters of the Book
of Mormon, plus more than 138 Sections of the Doctrine and Covenants and the
Pearl of Great Price.In light of such hard facts, I find any
assertions by Mormons that they read and study the Bible more than other
Christians to be hyperbolic hubris and boastful blather.
RE: Dana the Barbarian "How can anyone who studies the Bible regularly
believe in the Trinity?"The Father, the Word, and the Holy
Spirit; and these three are one=(*heis) these three agree as one=(*en)(1John
5:7,8 KJV & JST). 3 persons one God, "one in substance”E.g...
… and the express image of his person=(substance/hypostasis G# 5287).
Hebrews 1:3”.RE: Twin Lights, The LDS have a better
understanding of the OT and how it relates to the NT.?N.T. Luke 23:43=[44
JST],where the Savior on the cross says to the thief, "Today shalt thou be
with me in “paradise".The Prophet explains there is
nothing in the original word in Greek from which this was taken that signifies
paradise; but it was ,This day shalt thou be with me in the world of spirits .
(Mormon Doctrine p. 555).The word "paradise" is not found
in the O.T. per(Mormon Encyclopedia & Dictionary). Wrong,The
word "paradise" is found several times in the O.T. . The
LORD(Jehovah) God planted a garden(paradeisos, G# 3857) eastward in Eden;(Gen
2:8 LXX). … God walking in the garden (paradeisos,...(Gen 3:8
All I have to say is that you need to consider the source. I'm not sure why
we even care about the results since active LDS people do spend a lot of time
studying the gospel of Jesus from a variety of sources, including the Bible.
However, if the survey was really only Salt Lake City, I'm not sure how
many active LDS people were included in the survey.
"hyperbolic hubris and boastful blather."What's the
matter, Scientist? Getting upset when people call you out for posting precisely
An America that worships movies and media and the university and politics and
the Super Bowl is not reading Peter and Paul.
Not only is the Book of Mormon another testament of Christ, it also testifies
that "the records of the prophets and of the twelve apostles of the Lamb are
true." (This refers to the Bible.) I believe the Bible to be a true record
as stated and read it several times on most days. I find the scriptures are
very readable on my iPad. My scriptures are indexed to refer to all of the
Standard Words of the LDS Church. It is wonderful to be able to cross reference
all scripture to increase my understanding and respect for as much of God's
word as has been revealed.
Frankly, this article is ridiculous as how questions are phrased can alter the
outcome of the answers. Anyone who lives near Washington, DC (80)knows that
Hagerstown, MD, though a suburb, is not any different and certainly is not
representative of the rest of the suburbs surrounding DC.
While it's extremely easy to anticipate how an article like this could be
used as anti-Mormon fodder, it's worth pointing out that, contrary to Time
magazine's assumptions, Salt Lake City itself is not "heavily
Mormon" at all. Most of the Church's membership in Utah lives in the
suburbs OUTSIDE of the city, whereas the city itself has been taken over by
people who, to put it gently, do not make God or religion a major part of their
lives. So, it's not at all surprising that the city would rank so low on
such a listing, on top of the fact that BibleGateway's survey obviously
ignores people who use paper scriptures, scriptures from sources other than
themselves (such as LDS.org, or Gospel Library), and any scriptures besides the
Bible. There are lies, there are dang lies, and then there are