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Published: Thursday, Jan. 30 2014 6:25 p.m. MST

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Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

@higv
Dietrich, ID

"Where is the father in the picture as two women can't produce a baby"

Had you actually read the article rather than just commenting on the headline, you would have known that they used a sperm bank for artificial insemination, just as many married couples (both gay and straight) have done for many years.

Ethel
Home Town USA, UT

Come people just think? There are OTHER ways to give another person the rights and privileges like parents. People do it all the time in cases where the parent or parents need help to raise children. It is called Guardianship. This lesbian couple have a biological mother, right? The other partner who wants to be like a parent also can get legal permission as a guardian of said child and solve the issue without having to make a federal case out of it.

My parents helped raise my nieces and nephews (5)forty years ago when their parents were no longer able to care for them. My parents were their grandparents/parents as legal guardians.

It is very simple and no need to go into such a big battle over "rights" etc.

IF that is really what is wanted then a person who has legal guardianship can insure those children by legal means. Recognizing a person's same sex marriage is an appendage of the argument.

princeza9
salt lake city, UT

Recognize the marriage, Utah! It would go a long way to providing a sense of security for this family.

And New England is an area of the US made up of SIX states. Please specify which state. It's like saying someone was married "out west".

J. S.
Houston, TX

@play by the rules
"Dear Modesto, Children are entitled to a Mom and a Dad."

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So can you take the children away from same sex couples or single parents and put them in "ideal families"?

Mom of 8
Hyrum, UT

Why don't they move to a state that DOES recognize their marriage? Problem solved.

cavetroll
SANDY, UT

@worf

What exactly are this couple trying to squeeze out of the tax payers?

@ informed?

"This couple obviously cannot create a family together, so how can it be classified as a marriage."

Since my wife and cannot have children together, does that mean our relationship is not considered a "marriage"? What about my sister and her husband? They are not "married" because they cannot conceive?

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

informed?: "This couple obviously cannot create a family together, so how can it be classified as a marriage."

Did you know that Utah marriage law makes it a mandatory precondition that first cousins be nonreproductive in order to be allowed to marry? These couples not only "obviously cannot create a family together," the state actually PROHIBITS them from starting a family together. It would be illegal for them to marry if they could have children. So how can what these couples, legally married under Utah law, have "be classified as a marriage"?

The clear conclusion is that marriage is about more than procreation. Facilitating procreation is an important purpose of marriage, indeed, it may be the most important one, but it is not the ONLY one. It is within the realm of the state to encourage stable, loving relationships to benefit social stability.

Is a lesbian couple with a baby conceived and cared for together any less a family than childless married first cousins or an infertile married straight couple with a baby conceived by IVF?

CB
Salt Lake City, UT

Not content to have been married in another state, they have to come here and start their
'activism'. You can make something legal, but it still doesn't make it right and never will.
Unfortunately they are putting children in the middle of it all.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

informed?
"Where do you draw the line, what if my neighbor wants health insurance, can they just move in and become insured?"

That's the beauty of the thing. Same sex marriage could eventually evolve into a 95 year old grandfather marrying his ten year old grandson (or grand daughter) to pass on medicare and other financial benefits. What a novel idea!

"Where do you draw the line?"

Same sex marriage will eventually erase all lines so that anyone can marry anyone or even several anyones. Certainly will help in sharing assets and government benefits.

Oh, and it says these ladies carefully selecting the sperm donor... what a clever idea! The child could be a handsome movie star or another Einstein.

@higv: "...they used a sperm bank for artificial insemination, just as many married couples (both gay and straight) have done for many years."

Good point, but how would two gay guys do it? Isn't that some sort of gender discrimination that the federal government should remedy?

El Chango Supremo
Rexburg, ID

I don't believe a lesbian couple can be expecting a child together, that is unless I missed something in biology class. I guess I'm a tad confused...

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

Hey, Brown, you live in a community property state. You do not have to sign any form to inherit from your spouse. You can buy property in your individual name, but your spouse must sign before you can sell it. And where did you ever get the notion that "the rates for marrieds are higher"? Have you ever looked at the tax tables?

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

@wrz: " Same sex marriage could eventually evolve into a 95 year old grandfather marrying his ten year old grandson (or grand daughter) to pass on medicare and other financial benefits."

1) Marriage of blood relatives is illegal.

2) A ten year old cannot consent to marriage, or any other contract.

3) Medicare is not "passed on" by marriage. The spouse of the Medicare recipient must be 65 to get coverage.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ wrz: There are valid legal reasons for prohibiting intimate relationships between closely related individuals and for limiting reproductive opportunities in situations where those close relationships occur.

There are valid legal reasons for prohibiting children from entering into contracts.

Allowing same-sex marriage will not eliminate the valid legal reasons for prohibiting other types of relationships.

So far no one has been able to present a valid legal reason for prohibiting dame-sex marriage. And without such a reason, same-sex marriage will soon be legal.

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

@worf: The only thing that's going to be squeezed out of the public coffers is the expense of defending against suits like this.

Don't you realize, the way our benefits systems are set up, that single mothers are actually entitled to more benefits than married ones? By allowing these women to marry, you create, legally, a single household where you can take into account the income of both adults. Unmarried, with one working and the other being a completely unrelated stay-at-home mom, Utah law makes them legal strangers to each other, and the stay-at-home mom is eligible for all sorts of programs she wouldn't otherwise be. WIC, EBT/Food Stamps, AFDC, etc. Instead of a spouse, the non-parental woman could legally claim to be a landlord, charging her "tenant" rent to maximize her eligibility for benefits.

So, if you were just being stingy with your tax dollars, instead of your heart strings, you would support same-sex marriage. Heck, you would encourage it!

Liberty For All
Cedar, UT

Children are not pets or commodities to be manufactured and bought as fashion accessories for adults.

equal protection
Cedar, UT

@ play by the rules "Dear Modesto, Children are entitled to a Mom and a Dad."

I'm trying to find this requirement in civil marriage, adoptive and reproductive law, but cannot find the entitlement. Why isn't it there do you suppose? Moreover, why should society stop at just a Mom and a Dad, how about a parental requirement of no criminal record, specific educational level and amount of financial assets too?

equal protection
Cedar, UT

@informed "This couple obviously cannot create a family together, so how can it be classified as a marriage." You may be surprised to learn that opposite sex couples can legally utilize assisted reproduction technologies. So, what legally defines a family in civil marriage law? Are single or adoptive parents entitled to call themselves a family?

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

How messed up can society be today to even entertain such a suit?... How sad this culture has become... This suit shouldn't get 30 seconds of consideration before it's dismissed... This once great nation is getting destroyed from the inside out and it is very hard to watch.

deseret pete
robertson, Wy

It said the baby was from a " careful" selection from a sperm bank in California -- who made the selection and how ? Maybe she should have been a little more careful and thought of the welfare of the baby before the selection knowing that their marriage would be in doubt in many states --- Their is no real precedence for same sex marriage -- God has never authorized it at any time. It is like trying to remake a key to fit a lock that holds a treasure when only a father and mother have access to those keys.You can not change the degrees of God even if you don't believe in God.

girl.in.slc
Salt Lake , UT

@Mom of 8

Congrats on your large family of 8. Seriously impressive.

I'll bet you were born here. I was too. My family is here. My parents are here. My sisters are here. My in-laws are here. My job is here.

I'm staying because Utah is my home too.

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