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Published: Friday, Jan. 31 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe they were just tired of being pushed around.

Here, UT

@Frank Overfelt;

"...when the call goes out to be civil, apparently it only applies to those who support marriage between a man and a woman."

Guess what Frank. Rallying to deny marriage to couples you disapprove of is not "civil" in the first place. During the rally, LGBT were called evil among other things. That is not "civil".

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

May be there wasn't any ushers to maintain order.

Provo, UT

Darkness cannot tolerate light which exposes the sin. It has to shout it down. The diversity people (the Left) cannot tolerate a diversity of opinions.

Hayden, ID

The left demands civility but gives little or none.

South Jordan, UT

The entire premise of your argument is that gay people and their desire to love, commit to, and marry another person is a THREAT to children and families. You call them a THREAT to sweet innocent children like murderers, pedophiles, kidnappers, child pornographers, and drug dealers. That is the most insulting, uncivil thing I can think of. I am a good, moral, upstanding citizen of this state. I am not a threat to children.

When the entire premise of your argument is based on insult and incivility, you don't get to pretend you hold the moral high ground when it comes to being "civil".

spring street

Two thoughts , first by your own acknowledgement the majority of the lgbt supporters in atttendance were civil and this was the act of two people not an entire community. Second calling others evil, claiming they are a threat to children and society and pushing for laws that treat them as less then fully human is not civil.

American Fork, UT

I guess decades of oppression, ridicule and abuse has left some people grumpy.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Maybe it's because one side uses "logic", and the other uses "emotion". The emotional side will eventually lash out, it's human nature. That's what strong emotion does to us. Logic doesn't lead you to lash out, it leads you to discuss it on a civil and hopefully constructive level with anybody who will listen (but you don't feel that same emotional response and the need to prevail at all costs).

It's the underdog syndrome. When it feels like the majority's against you... you can get frustrated and upset... you feel like you must do something more, and take it up a notch or two, it's easy to lose control and lose patience and lash out.

But that's rarely productive. Be patient and keep getting the message out there, without violence, threats, rude outbursts, demands you know can't be met, and a militant approach... and you will get more and more people on your side and win in the end. But being offensive, abrasive and demanding, doesn't help.

Use honey, not vinegar.

Charleston, WV

First of all, EVERYONE (Gay and Straight) supports "traditional marriage." If anyone of my single Straight friends finds a compatible person of the opposite sex to get "traditionally married" to and settle down with, NO ONE will me happier than I. The fact that I support marriage equality for law-abiding, taxpaying Gay couples doesn't mean I'm somehow against "traditional marriage" for Straight couples.

As for the people who oppose allowing Gay couples to marry, perhaps you should just TRY putting yourself in their shoes. Suppose you, as a taxpayer, were forced to help subsidize all the legal benefits and protections of marriage, while at the same time being denied the right to participate in that same institution. Would you find it just a BIT irritating? Remember: It's not Gay people telling Straight people that they should be allowed to marry the person they love. Frankly there is simply NO constitutional justification for this double standard.

Kearns, UT

Yea, sure, let's excuse boorish behavior because the homosexuals are tired of being "pushed around". I guess some people have forgotten their manners, if they were ever taught any in the first place.

Salt Lake City, UT

Rule of thumb: whoever in a political argument feels like they're being ignored or having their freedoms trampled on, are going to be the more annoyed side and prone to yelling. Remember when Tea Partiers were shouting down Congressmen and Senators at town halls that one summer when it came to healthcare reform because they think (correctly or not) that their rights would be violated by the bill? It's kinda like that.

clearfield, UT

Remember how outraged the media and Democrats got when some Congressman shouted to Obama "you lie" at the state of the union speech? And that was before the big lie of Obamacare came to light. Sometimes the truth is not politically correct. Especially when said by a Republican or conservative. Jesus said, ......the truth shall make you free.
Democrats say the truth shall set the IRS on you.

Murray, UT


I was at the traditional marriage rally. I never heard anyone say LGBT was evil.
What I did hear, was

defense for an existing law
a man who had same sex attraction say he is better off being back with his wife and children than in a homosexual relationship.
a man raised by a lesbian couple talk about wishing he had a relationship with a father.

All I heard was positive talk about the benefits of a family consisting of a father (male) and mother (female) as parents to children.

Tooele, UT

Re: "Maybe they were just tired of being pushed around."

And they show it by pushing people around that only treated them with respect and dignity.

Yeah, that about sums up the LGBT activist agenda.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Opponents of marriage equality are fooling themselves, the basis of their reasons for denying others the right to marriage is bigotry at its core. No amount of "friendly" letters published in the DesNews can erase that. In fact, years from now, the DesNews archives will no doubt be viewed as a treasure trove of articles justifying discrimination. Indeed, propaganda may have the desired affect on some individuals at the time but it only serves to provide disdain as time moves forward.

Chalk this up as another mistake made by my fellow Church members for which it'll take years and years to recover from the damage.

Salt Lake City, UT

The problem with incivility is that "some" begets more. This conversation is going down the road traveled by every sibling group in history..."who started it" is the name of the game. Why can't we all be good parents here and just admit that we don't care who started it, we just need to stop it.

PS. Anyone attesting that groups on the right have not shown boorish and childish behavior, please cast the first stone!!

Sandy, UT

You still have not demonstrated how you or your marriage is harmed by your gay neighbors. It's going to happen, your marriage will be fine and you won't notice a thing. No one will force you to enter a same sex marriage and the sun will come up tomorrow. Continue to live your lives as best you can, helping others when you can, and then you can say, "I put away selfish things and I truly am free and I can concentrate on things I know will truly bring me happiness."

Liddle Bruda
Salt Lake City, UT


One thing that I didn't hear from any of the supposed benefits were valid reasons why gay people shouldn't be married. Sure a gay man feels he is better off with his wife. Anyone ask him the reasons? Maybe it is so he can be good with his Church. Or maybe he was threatened by his wife or the state that he wouldn't be able to see his children. Whatever the reason he is with his wife instead of a husband is his. No reason to deny marriage to gay couples.

One man who wishes he had a relationship with his dad. Great, does that mean his lesbian parents were not good parents? Would he have had a relationship with his dad if he wasn't raised by lesbians? Or would he have been worse off because he would have been raised by a single mother? Grass is always greener on the other side until that is where you are living.

None of what this rally proves why Gays should be banned from marriage.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Once again, everybody is missing the issue.

The issue isn't the right for gay people to get married. The issue is what does the government recognize as marriage.

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