While it is important to get recruits out of Utah, it is more important to open
up bigger recruiting areas. As the talent in the state has improved, the bigger
universities have noticed and started recruiting more. In the 80's and
90's, very few universities acknowledged the impact of the Poly community,
thus BYU and Utah were able to get all the top recruits. Now, as former BYU,
Utah, and USU players have found success in the NFL and become coaches; they
have moved in and started recruiting for universities like USC, Washington,
Oregon st, and Stanford .. It is not uncommon to see a major coach at a Utah
high school football game, and it narrows the recruiting percentages for schools
like Utah and BYU. It is imperative that they open up new recruiting areas in
states like Florida, Texas, California, and other states that have massive high
school pools to recruit from. As they plant those seed by recruiting players
from those states, they then are able to pick up future players, whose talent
outshines any of the in-state players that 100 schools are now trying to recruit
instate.It is all about the future and not one class.
A noticeable weakness in red zone play: no tight end to make critical first down
or touchdowns. Is the talent there? How about a great tight end coach and
recruiter? Room for a real step forward.
Contrary to what some posters are saying, it IS very important to recruit Utah.
You want to have a home state connection. There are PLENTY of local players
contributing to other division one programs. BYU has consistently recruited
poorly and missed on top utah players due to lack of effort and other
inexcusable reasons. The caliber of football is improving dramatically in utah
and more and more division one caliber athletes are available and it is very
concerning that they only have two commits from the state thus far.
Intersting timing with three Y football stories, on consecutive days in January,
what with etters for 2014 season ticket renewals having gone out.
Wow! I cant belief Chris B said something positive about BYU. Maybe this is a
different Chris B.Anyway, the reason BYU is not signing more Utah
players is becuase they lost the recruiting battle on all of the good ones. So
now they try to sound positive by saying they are recruiting nationally. I am surprised by what Chris said in that BYU has a decently rated
class. Everything I have read said that things were pretty average. Lets hope
it is good and that it gets better by keeping everyone theyhave and adding a
couple of surprises.
Wow! A 6'8" Kaffusi is switching from the D-Line to outside linebaker?
At that height? That's a very interesting switch.
What's the big concern about getting more recruits from Utah? Last time I
looked, that's not our campus. The world is our campus. Let's find the
best players wherever they are. Ziggy certainly didn't have a Utah address.
One more comment on recruiting and what one person pointed out to me. More 3
stars have been drafted in the NFL than 5 stars. And yes, I believe that is a
correct fact. Does that discredit the "higher stars are usually better"
concept? Absolutely NOTRating services give out significantly more
3 stars than 4 stars and significantly more 4 stars than 5 stars. Any given 5
star has the highest chance of being drafted compared to 4's and 3's.
And 4's on average have a higher chance of being drafted than 3's.
This has been seen and proven. It's like saying "there have
been more people under 7 feet tall play in the NBA than people over 7 feet
tall" and incorrectly concluding that an average 6 foot guy is more likely
to play in the NBA than a 7 foot 6 inch guy.
@shorts and BlueHusky,Thanks for acknowledging you agree. I admit I
go over the top in some posts, but in recruiting I think I've been very
consistent. Many fans(usually byu) on these boards tell me over and over that
"stars don't mean a thing" or "recruiting is subjective so
ratings don't mean anything" or "stars don't guarantee
anything" or "how did byu beat texas with lower stars"I've never once said stars guarantee win. I've never once said every
rating is correct. I've just said on average rating services get it right
and an average for a team or recruiting class says a TON about the talent of
that team. And yes, its better to have better players. Another one
byu fans like to point out is "Boise state has been great with average
players" as if that discredits anything I've said. Coaches matter, of
course they do. Can a good coach with average players beat an average(or even
good coach) with great players? Of course.But why wouldn't
every team want as good of a coach AND as good of players they can get?
This time of year, EVERY head coach is optimistic about the new recruits. Have
you ever heard a head coach say that this year's new recruits aren't
that good?! Same thing during spring and summer. EVERY coach says the same
thing: "This team has the potential to be a very good team." The truth
is nobody knows how good a team will be until the season starts.
The pool of potential recruits in the state of Utah narrows considerably when
factoring for academic standards. If Coach Mendenhall feels like only 2 Utah
players can help our team, I'm okay with that. Local people need to
remember being a "Utah" school is least significant of what BYU is. It
is a national school drawing high-end kids, not just serving local kids. I am
not okay with the losses to Virginia, Utah, San Jose State... win-able games.
That's on the coaching staff and everyone needs to step up.
I disagree that BYU needs more Utah players on the team. There is already 1/3 of
the team from Utah. If BYU is going to play with national significance, they
need to recruit nationally. Certainly go after the best recruits from Utah, but
it is a must (IMHO) that BYU continue the pipeline from CA, the islands, and
reestablish a presence in Texas. Secondarily, I think BYU should continue to hit
the rest of the West hard, and go for the nationwide signings.I
still think BYU should lure Lance Anderson from Stanford to be the DC and
recruiting coordinator. He does wonders for recruiting through the academic
process at Stanford and I think he could do the same for BYU and then take over
for Mendenhall in 10 years. But, I say that on about 25% of my posts, so sorry
for the rant.
RE :Chris BSalt Lake City, UTI agree with what you said and I
to am shocked. Utah has better players and if BYU wants to compete they need
better players. The more stars a player has the better chance they will be
better in college. Yes their are exceptions but as a rule you have a better
chance of having a 5 star being great then a 2 star.
Last year people were complaining that Bronco recruits too much in Utah. Slow
white guys, I believe is the connotation.I think Chris B's
comments are more on the spot. Is there a 4 or 5-star QB in Utah this year? Utah
is a relatively small state. A national recruiting program is something that BYU
can and should do. There are more 4-5 star players in Texas and California than
there are players in Utah.BYU aspires to be a national program. They
need to recruit nationally.
And the snake oil sales begin.... The reason only 2 from Utah is that, contrary
to the locals myopic belief, there aren't many decent to good players from
here at the moment. Utah can have all they want for now.Next up -
Dick Harmon and how everything is going so well and how BYU is going to clean up
on the field this year, yada yada yada. This is one really broken record.
Maybe every program and fan base gets the same treatment, but for me, enough is
enough. No more tickets. Somebody is most welcome to take mine. If the team
figures out how to beat anybody and Anae figures out how to call plays,
I'll watch on tv so I don't waste the time and money and aggravation
of an expensive pilgrimage to Provo.Not a fair weather fan; just one
that finally has had enough with a program going nowhere. I applaud the ethics
and great kids in the program and good leaders but I also want to see a tough
nosed-winning effort each week.
How many years now have we heard the same thing at this time of year?I am
beginning to think that we are stuck in the Mendenhall era where we hear this
type of hype each year and the season looks like something else in reality.
I agree with earlier posts, I feel quite concerned that BYU has not won the Utah
recruiting effort in more cases and for more positions. It doesn't seem to
bode well when Bronco is reporting that only 2 recruits are from the home state.
Something is definitely wrong with that.
Currently byu has the highest average stars for the 2014 class of anyone in the
state, we'll see if that holds true through signing day. It would be the
first time in five years byu has had the best rated recruiting class in the
state. In fact, byu's best year of the last 4 in recruiting is still not
as good as Utah's worst year of the last 4. Looks like maybe gets the
better year this year.And yes, average stars of a team says a lot.
Do stars guarantee wins? No, but neither do fast players, strong players,
practicing, lifting weights, good coaching, watching game film, or even scoring
lots of points.But even though all these things don't guarantee
wins, they matter. Just as talent level of a team, which on AVERAGE is quite
accurate based on star ratings.
Bronco would rather have a walk-on than a four star. I am guessing that he has
several local players scheduled for walk-on spots with later scholarships
@Hooser87 I'm not from Utah and don't spend too much time there but I
wholeheartedly agree with you. I think it's a mistake for a team to not
recruit heavily among its local population, mainly because the effort spent
locally is much more effective than going national or international, not to
mention there are many strong prospects in Utah. BYU should be the destination
of choice for local kids, and that will take commitment from the coaches to
recruit from Utah, which seems to be lacking (at least in the way they announce
Just a suggestion (from a true blue BYU fan)...Maybe you could
recruit a few more than 2 kids from the state of Utah. I thought the UofU was
bad with their numbers, but they look super aggressive compared to BYU.When Anderson was at Utah State, his admitted goal was to recruit the State of
Utah heavily - and look how it worked out for him.Of course I love
the National reach of BYU, but I for one would like to see more Utah kids on the
roster, at least more than 2!