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Published: Thursday, Jan. 30 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

My friends in socialist Germany would laugh at the labels conservatives in America use to brand their enemies. They know something about Communism, having opposed it for over four decades. Frankly, they think their brand of socialism gives them a lot more freedom than we Americans have. And their economy is the envy of most countries. They are keeping the EU afloat pretty much by themselves. They have their problems, but they'd never trade straight across for ours.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: 2 bits "How long has Capitalism been around (not just in the United States but everywhere)???

200 - 300 years, before that mercantilism, before that feudalism, before that various traditional forms.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

And BTW, socialism has been around a long, long time:

Acts 4:34-35
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34 For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the [a]proceeds of the sales 35 and lay them at the apostles’ feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Amazing how folks get upset when they are asked to be civil. Rationalizing, twisting like a pretzel to point out some on the other side as justification to refuse to be rational, logical, pragmatic, and civil.

Folks, Obama is not a commie, a socialist, a dictator, etc. Please, get a grip.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think Orwell's definition of Communism in Animal Farm applies fairly well to the current Administration in Washington : " All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Thid Barker said:
Go talk to any drug addiction counselor about what got addicts addicted.
I said Marijuana wasn't addicting, you want to argue gateway which is nonsense.

and I repeat...
I don't understand the rights obsession with controlling peoples personal lives while crying for less regulation on businesses.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

@ No One Of Consequence

“...Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Facism and Obamaism.”

Definitely no sophistry in the above. There is one “orange” mixed in with primarily “apples”.

@ Thid Barker

'Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao ste Tung, Castro among others were all Marxists...”

The above scoundrels were Marxists of the Leninist variety. There are numerous varieties of Marxists. There are even anti-Leninist Marxists.

“(From each according to their ability and to each according to their needs)”

This is the slogan of Marx's mirage stage of human development that he called “communism”. Marx's “communism” has NEVER existed on the planet earth. It allegedly will evolve sometime after all the world has been purified by the delusional Marxist-Leninists (communists) and their dictatorships.

The slogan that applies correctly to Stalin and friends is thus:

“From each according to their ability and to each according to their WORK”.

You work in the Gulag or you die. The “needs” stuff is a part of the mirage communism future. You work in North Korea or you die. You may die anyway of overwork.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Roland Kayser" and what did Obama do to change things? Obama and his policies have been like FDR's policies. They have kept us in a state of misery and have prevented the recovery from being able to take effect.

To "marxist" that isn't socialism, that is charity. Socialism is the government telling you that you have too much, and that they are going to redistribute the fruits of your labor to others. Charity is giving what you can to benefit others. I choose charity over socialism.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Amazing how folks get upset when they are asked to be civil by quit calling anyone who disagrees with Obama's policies a racist.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"Socialism is the government telling you that you have too much, and that they are going to redistribute the fruits of your labor to others"

No... not at all. Socialism is a way of thinking where all people in society are interconnected, and that society as a whole decides what issues they will deal with as a group. If relies on a freely elected government where the members of society themselves decide what these imperatives are, and that all are expected to help according to their means. Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with wealth redistribution. Unfortunately socialism also relies an some rather idealistic thinking in that all members will behave.

Some of the most socialistic countries also have the least repressive governments. Some don't even have viable militaries...... they do not rely on coercion because the nations decisions are voted upon. Unfortunately it does not seem the model scales very large. It requires direct participation by all.

The real world is a blend of capitalism, socialism, democracy, and republicanism. None of them exist in their pure form or ever should.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

@ lost in DC

“OK. BO and his Stalinist policies.”

The “BO” stuff is on the level of the grammar school playground.

President Obama's “Stalinist policies” are a delusion and a mirage. Stalinist policies included the man made famine in the 1930s Ukraine that killed millions. The collectivization of agriculture and the liquidation of the Kulaks was a major Stalinist policy. Being an ally of Nazi Germany was a policy of Stalin. There are abuses of power and the politically motivated IRS auditing would be an abuse of power. Bad, but not a Stalinist policy.

@ 2 bits

When you use “Carl”, are you trying to be facetious (humorous, witty or marked by levity)? It is Karl.

“Carl Marx died, and every Marxist experiment has died a miserable failure...”. The marxist-leninist experiment in North Korea lives on and the dictatorship there is NOT a failure at exercising monopoly power over the people in 2014. When it does fail, it will be much uglier than when East Germany failed.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "UtahBlueDevil" so tell us, where does socialism work? Every nation that has tried it has severe problems economically.

Name the nation that has claimed to be socialist and has been able to match the US in terms of creativity, prosperity, or standards of living.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

William,
The Marxist-Lenninist experiment in North Korea lives on... N.Korea a success? by what objective measure?

perhaps for the dictator - who can have his own uncle executed. And of course, it does WONDERS for the people of North Korea. According to ANY reasonable method by which a government should be measured, especially in North Korea, it is a miserable failure.

But let's revisit how BO's policies so mirror those of Stalin/Lennin -

silence of all political opposition, certainly one of BO's goal's and his lap-dog media is complicit.

Supremecy of the state over individual religious beliefs - BO is second to no one on that, ie Obamacare.

wresting control away from the individual and entrenching it in the state - BO rules by dictate and bypasses the people's representatives in the house any time he cannot get them to go along with him.

Then there are the out and out lies BO tells. plenty of similarities between BO and Uncle Joe.

as far as calling him BO is concerned, I'm not the one who gave him those initials. Are you complaining about the movie studio that made the movie about bush entitled "GW"?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

William Gronberg,
If you call having no economy, your people constantly on the verge of freezing and starvation, and even the middle-class living in poverty, and having to threaten the Capitalist American's every winter so they will send you oil to heat your homes to prevent mass deaths... "Success"... then I guess they are succeeding in North Korea.

How many times have we sent NKorea food shipments (to get them to end their Nuclear Weapons program). How many times have we sent them heating oil shipments (to get them to end their Nuclear Weapons program). Many times during the Bush years I know. And many times before that. I don't know why they haven't been bugging Obama and threatening him too... I guess maybe they have a better working relationship with this administration.

If capitalist nations weren't such humanitarians... North Korea's people would starve.

Glad I was able to bring some levity to this otherwise grim discussion. You may want to grammar-check my comment too.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@one vote:
"As to freedom, the de-criminalization of marijuana shows there is more freedom from arbitrary government control than ever."

Do you feel the same way about decriminalization of cocaine?

@Mike Richards:
"Obama has no respect for the Constitution."

He has little respect for the laws passed by Congress... Such as the federal immigration laws, and laws against possession and use of marijuana. That's right... there is a federal law against possession and use of marijuana. Where is Obama's AG when you need him? Hiding under his desk, probably.

"He ignores it completely. In his State of the Union message, he 'dared' Congress to stop him from using executive orders to do what ever he thought was proper and necessary."

He's relying on 'penumbras and emanations.'

@Happy Valley Heretic: "Speaking of falsehoods, marijuana is not and never has been "addicting" anymore than chocolate or ice cream."

Yeah, but chocolate and ice cream doesn't make you confused and bewildered.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Nothing seems immune to hyperbole these days; everyone is a hater, socialist, marxist, communist and of course nazi. Not a lot of discussion can come of it.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

@ lost in DC

Here is what I wrote:

“The marxist-leninist experiment in North Korea lives on and the dictatorship there is NOT a failure at exercising monopoly power over the people in 2014. When it does fail, it will be much uglier than when East Germany failed.”

Here is how you represent what I wrote:

The Marxist-Lenninist experiment in North Korea lives on... N.Korea a success? by what objective measure?

I also wrote the following in an earlier post today:

“You work in the Gulag or you die. The “needs” stuff is a part of the mirage communism future. You work in North Korea or you die. You may die anyway of overwork.”

@ 2 bits

Read the above. North Korea's “Success” again refers to Kim's ability to monopolize power and to use it very effectively to maintain his criminal position of power.

Back to lost in DC

“as far as calling him BO is concerned, I'm not the one who gave him those initials. Are you complaining about the movie studio that made the movie about bush entitled "GW"?

Perhaps I should complain?? I have absolutely no knowledge about the movie “GW”.

BeagleDancer
Duchesne, UT

Karl Marx and Ayn Rand had much in common. They both hoped for a world where government would wither away and neither believed superstition or religion would have anything to do with it. Marx was long gone before any of the aberrations carried out using his name took place. And he definitely was right about religion being the opiate of the people.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Marxist,
Carefully read the biblical scripture you quote, you will see that the wealthy FREELY and of THEIR own choice helped the poor. Their wealth was not forcibly removed from them by the apostles for redistribution. your comparison of the feds to the ancient apostles is offensive and misguided.

William,
you cannot have it both ways, you say the current version of communism in NK is a success, the dictatorship is not a failure, then you say it will fail miserably. Which is it, a success or a failure? I asked for an objective measure; one man's ability to maintain a stranglehold on power is not an objective measure. I'm sure BO is envious of the NK dictator's absolute power. He's said almost as much since he plans to bypass congress, and he ignores his own signature laws when he learns they are irreparably flawed.

you are correct, the movie was "W", not GW. But pols have always been known by their initials, FDR, JFK, LBJ, HHH. usually by all 3. Hollywood's leftist elites shortened bush's to 1 initial, I give BO more respect than hollywood gave bush because I extend his back out to 2.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT
To "UtahBlueDevil" so tell us, where does socialism work? Every nation that has tried it has severe problems economically.

Name the nation that has claimed to be socialist and has been able to match the US in terms of creativity, prosperity, or standards of living.

2:05 p.m. Jan. 30, 2014

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Germany, Japan, UK, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Israel, Korea, Canada, ...shall I continue?

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