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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 29 2014 6:55 p.m. MST

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truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

there is no place in our society for hatred and bigotry," Herbert said. Than why is the state spending millions of dollars to deny the rights of a large group of its citizens?

play by the rules
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Herbert is becoming a RINO governor just like Huntsman. Selling out principles to appease the left who will never like him anyway. Yes we need to improve air quality, but no matter what you do short of killing jobs, shutting down industry, and taking food out of the mouths of children the militant leftists will not be satisfied. They hate for the sake of hatred.

equal protection
Cedar, UT

Many are beginning to see that irrational same-sex marriage bans sugar coated as "states rights" but grounded in vile animus, hate and prejudice do not pass constitutional muster. Much like the historical personal views of every caring, thoughtful person who just happened to hold deep and strong personal views on where African Americans should sit on public transportation, who they should marry, or their use of separate drinking fountains and educational institutions. The defense and support of Jim Crow laws could be similar to same-sex marriage bans today, and most likely undeserving of respect or tolerance when it comes to civil marriage and public accommodations law discrimination. The position of Virginia's AG might be a better model for Utah's Governor and AG, by showing leadership and respect for all of Utah's citizens.
In the words of Bishop Desmond Tutu: “I am not interested in picking up (Governor Herbert's) crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.”

Albemar
West Jordan, UT

I found the call for civility to be very dubious! Watching nearly every GOP official jumping up to applaud the call for civility was insulting. In my opinion, the ONLY reason they miraculously and suddenly are calling for civility toward Gays & Lesbians is because of the years of well documented attacks and insults they have hurled at these Utah families may vary well be used in court to prove that Utah's officials have shown "Animus" toward these citizens.

Utah's long history of demonizing Gays & Lesbians may very well be the unraveling of their anti-gay amendment 3. Tonight's disingenuous attempt to appear civil, was only a smoke screen to cover up years of abuse.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To truth in all its forms 10:22 p.m. Jan. 29, 2014

there is no place in our society for hatred and bigotry," Herbert said. Than why is the state spending millions of dollars to deny the rights of a large group of its citizens?

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That's exactly what I was going to say but you beat me to it. Good and true comment.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Than [sic] why is the state spending millions of dollars to deny the rights of a large group of its citizens?"

Short answer? It isn't.

IMAN
Marlborough, MA

@truth in all its forms: "there is no place in our society for hatred and bigotry," Herbert said. Than why is the state spending millions of dollars to deny the rights of a large group of its citizens?"

It appears that many in UT. feel denying rights is not bigotry and hate as long as they can justify it with their religious rationalization. It matters not to these folks that there are also many that do not share their beliefs. These anti's have no respect for the Constitution of this country. They are drug store constitutionalists. They pick and choose who and what rights should be granted as long as it suits their ideology.

Willem
Los Angeles, CA

But, the governor said, the state is being hindered by federal overreach.

There is no Federal Overreach when the purpose is to have complete equality for all Americans gay and straight.

atrulson
cohoes, NY

to make accusations of hatred or bigotry is to incite hatred and bigotry. Learn your opponents argument before you make accusations.

Snapdragon
Midlothian, VA

"Truth in all its forms"

Protecting traditional marriage is not a from of hatred.

Bored to the point of THIS!
Ogden, UT

In our efforts to define marriage, why is the State not taking a more active role in the fight against polygamy?

Why is one fight 'good' for Utah and the other not?

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

How can one say, "If your loved one is in the hospital ill, I don't want you to be able to visit them. But I don't hate you?"
How can one say, "I want you to have completely different tax laws, separate Medicare and Social Security standards, and 140 other laws that help me but are never allowed to benefit you in any way. But I don't hate you?"
If I said I didn't want Mormons to be allowed to marry one another, but I have nothing against them, would that be OK? Of course not. No one looks at someone they like, love, or just tolerate, and says let me deny you basic civil rights. In the 1950's could they say that they loved the blacks, but were just "pro-white"?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

This sounds like the Governor's response to Lockhart's speech. Well played Governor!

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Governor Herbert lied when he said his budget calls for increasing teacher salary by 61 million dollars. That was an increase in the WPU of 2.5% most of which will be used to pay for the state mandated increase in district contribution to the state retirement fund. From what is left of the WPU increase the cost of increases in transportation, heating, electricity, etc etc. must come from that same WPU increase. He knows that money does not go directly to compensation but he said it did anyway. If he really wants to see teachers get a 2.5% raise he should create a line item like was done 10 years ago which mandate a specific amount of dollars be placed on the teacher salary schedule.

Civil
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truth in all its forms

"there is no place in our society for hatred and bigotry," Herbert said. Than why is the state spending millions of dollars to deny the rights of a large group of its citizens?"

I think your should be talking to Mother Nature, not the government. In the history of the earth no same-sex couple has ever been able to make a child.

The Declaration of Independence addresses "unalienable rights," or rights that are inherent to an individual or group. "Family," or the ability for a GROUP or CLASS of unions to create a child is inherent to heterosexual couples, it is inherently absent in individuals (it takes two) and absent in same-sex couples (NO two same-sex people can create a child).

Civil Unions are the appropriate mechanism for same-sex couples. INDIVIDUALS can choose to love and spend their life with anyone they wish, but no same-sex individuals can create a child. Civil Unions address that fundamental, unalienable difference.

ksampow
Farr West, Utah

All of these critics of traditional marriage are skewing the issue. Gays are not just asking to do as they please, they are asking for everyone to CALL IT what THEY want us to call it, to adopt their definition in place of the traditional definition of marriage. Even if you disregard the fact that God instituted this definition of marriage (in the name of "freedom of religion") they still have no right to force everyone to throw out our definition, which was adopted through a constitutional, democratic process, and accept theirs.

Soren Simonsen
Salt Lake City, UT

"...Let me be clear that while I support traditional marriage and will continue to defend Amendment 3, there is no place in our society for hatred and bigotry."

Defending Amendment 3 IS hatred and bigotry. It denies fundamental rights to individuals and families. They may different families than my LDS family, but they are still families who love, who share, and who dream.

It's a bit naive to use a quote like that of Madison to speak of the limits of federal powers as defined by the Constitution, but each and every Amendment is part of the Constitution, and the powers and role of federal and state governments have been clarified over time. When Amendment 14 was passed it thereafter became unconstitutional for states to deprive its citizens of equal protection, which Utah's Amendment 3 does.

I am a Mormon, and though my Mormon religion does not, many religions both recognize and perform same-sex marriages, so Amendment 3 not only deprives citizens equal protection, it also deprives religious societies their freedom of religious practice and expression guaranteed by the very first Amendment.

Soren Simonsen
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't know why the religious freedom angle isn't being considered in the marriage equality discussion. Supporting Amendment 3 based on any religious tradition—both by those who voted for Amendment 3, and those now defending it—is establishment of religion by law. Denying religions that recognize and perform same-sex marriages their ability to marry is prohibiting their free exercise of religion. Both contradict the First Amendment.

Governor Herbert, and every other elected official in Utah, has taken an oath to obey and defend the US Constitution. Supporting Amendment 3 is not obeying and defending the Constitution.

SAS
Sandy, UT

@Civil:

So, based on that reasoning, heterosexual couples should have to provide proof of their fertility before they can be married? Otherwise, they too should receive a civil union? I wonder, does that mean that if a woman has a hysterectomy or a man has testicular cancer, their marriage should be downgraded to a civil union?

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

To say that defending Amendment 3 is bigotry and hatred is analogous to saying that denying a driver's license to the blind is hatred and bigotry. One wonders if such statements aren't rather projections than perceptions of reality.

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