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  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Feb. 3, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    "My daddy can whip your daddy"! Boo hoo. Oh, my. The pettiness is overwhelming. Besides, "What difference, at this point, does it make"?!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    At some point Chris B is going to realize how much his NFL players argument makes Bronco look like a MUCH better coach than Whitt. One coach is outperforming his talent while the other is grossly underachieving.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    From what I'd heard BYU had decided not to offer any scholarships but to extend their holier than thou "preferred walk on" status to these players. After all who wouldn't want to play for BYU?

  • k56sportsfan Draper, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Not sure how many making comments have been directly involved in a D1 Football Recruiting Process... Locally, BYU + Utah really have taken the local recruits for granted. Many have insinuated via their posts that BYU goes after a "special" type of athlete - well they missed out on their poster boy this year and a local kid. MACK RICHARDS was probably The Best Playmaker/Receiver in Utah last year and maybe even at the College Level. I'm a BYU Alum + a 25 seasons BYU Football Season Ticket Holder- I'm not sure that I'm a BYU Football Fan right now. I witnessed this past Season's underwhelming results. Not so sure about BYU's future. BYU offers Mack Richards "preferred" walk-on but they say they want speed, athleticism + principled-based recruit... not too sure who/what they want anymore. I'm not interested in watching a QB who's allowed to pull the ball + run 20+ /game when their best RB gets 10 touches + QB can't make a read on a pass play past his 1st primary. Really? BYU needs to remember what made them a good-to almost-great program.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    poyman,

    Are you really going to blame the 18 to 7 difference(starting with 2006 draft) on a mission pipeline? Right, because Bronco probably has 10+ guys that will be drafted in the next year or two window?

    At most Bronco should only be behind Whittingham by a 2 year average, and that's being generous since not all byu players go on missions and some Utah do players do. But lets be generous to you and say 100% of all byu players go on missions and 0% of Utah players do, even so at most you would be behind 2 years.

    18 to 7

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 31, 2014 2:55 a.m.

    oh chris, so many inaccuracies... A coach gets recruiting credit for any player that starts playing for his team after he becomes coach of that team... Max Hall, Ziggy Ansah, Vic So'oto, Harvey Unga all came into the program under Bronco and he gets recruiting Credit... He will also get credit for Van Noy, Hoffman, Hadley, Manumaleuna, and Sorenson when they get drafted this year... And he will get credit for Bills and Hill when they finish.

    As you know (or should know) a BYU coach has a long pipeline because of Missions and Red shirting so it takes awhile for a player to get through... In 5 to 6 years time Whittingham will be embarrasses with a comparison to Bronco... (That is if Whittingham hasn't been fired by then).

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:11 p.m.

    Tators,

    Who are the 2+ players byu has had drafted in the first round in the last 3 years. You say byu has more than Utah, and Utah has had 1.

    Who are your 2+?

    This should be good...

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:28 p.m.

    Objectified,

    "Weren't most (if not all) of the 6 players Utah had drafted into the NFL in a single year recruited by Urban Meyer, who coached just before Kyle?"

    Are you sure you want to play that game?

    Do you know how many guys Bronco has recruited and had drafted in his ENTIRE time at byu? And remember, don't blame me, you're the one who brought up recruited and drafted.

    Number of guys Bronco has recruited and had drafted:

    10? Nope
    9? Nope
    8? Nope
    7? Nope
    6? Nope
    5? Nope
    4? Nope
    3? Nope
    2? Nope
    1? Nope!

    Zero! Bronco has NEVER recruited a guy that has been drafted yet. Ya, go ahead and tell me Van Noy will be drafted. He'll be Bronco's first guy EVER that he's drafted and recruited.

    Glad you brought up that good point though about other coaches recruiting certain players!

  • oddman ,
    Jan. 30, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    Regardless, they're fun to watch and follow. When you know your abilities, the exciting thing is to exceed them and surprise others in the process. This happens every week during the season and is one of the joys I get in following them closely. Just imagine the excitement for the twos as they prepare to defend the vacated one position and take possession of it.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 30, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    Does anyone know whether Isaiah Kaufusi has committed somewhere all the sites say no but his twitter account says he is byu bound?

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    What put Utah on the map and left it with a national reputation was Urban Meyer. When he left, so did his shadow. Kyle was trained by Urban, so he's been able to prolong the effect, but it's fading. That could change with circumstances in the future, but the forseeable doesn't portend that.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Chris,

    Weren't most (if not all) of the 6 players Utah had drafted into the NFL in a single year recruited by Urban Meyer, who coached just before Kyle?

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    Chris,

    I noticed you addressed only 1 of Tator's 5 points in comparison of Bronco football compared to Utah football.
    I agree that the number of first round picks in recent years has been equal. Scratch that one. It's a wash.

    What about his (or her) other 4 points that you failed to address?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    Tator,

    Since 2005 byu has had 8 players drafted, 7 since 2006. Bronco and Kyle were hired in 2005 I belive so it probably makes sense to compare from 2006, but use whichever you prefer.

    Whittingham

    23 players since 2005
    18 since 2006

    Which one of them has had an undefeated season?
    Which has ended the season in the top 5?
    Which has beaten end of season 10 teams twice? And which never has done that?

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Two questions in reply to your recent comment...

    1) Exactly how do you know the the specific reasons most BYU recruits pick BYU as their first choice?

    2) How many years has it been since Utah has had "a truly amazing year" (as you put it) with Kyle as Utah's head coach?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    Tator,

    "His teams have had more first round NFL picks than Utah in the past 3 years and will probably put more players in the NFL this year. (How does Utah compare?)"

    You sure about that pal?

    byu has Ziggy in the past 3 years. Utah has Star.

    Since when was 1 more than 1?

    How many kids has Bronco had drafted in his time at byu? I honestly don't know - Kehl, Collie, Ziggy, which am I missing? Bronco has 3-4 guys drafted in his entire time at BYU? Whittingham had 6 nfl draft picks in 2010.

    In one year Whittingham had 6 guys drafted
    In Bronco's entire time at byu he's had 3? Maybe 4 or 5 if I'm forgetting some?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    Correction
    Washington won in the early 90s

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Why do you spend so much time analyzing and often trying to speak for BYU fans, and even for their recruits and their motives. What exactly is your motive?

    Is it some backdoor approach to try to make Utah look or seem better?
    Not working.

    Before knocking Bronco too much, please consider...

    - He's never had a losing season. (How does Utah compare?)
    - He's gone to a bowl game each season as head coach. (How does Utah compare?)
    - His teams usually finish nationally ranked higher than all other instate teams... more times than not. (How does Utah compare?)
    - His football teams play on national television more than any other instate team (How does Utah compare?)
    - His teams have had more first round NFL picks than Utah in the past 3 years and will probably put more players in the NFL this year. (How does Utah compare?)

    It's obvious that most BYU recruits pick BYU for it's winning tradition. The "BYU experience" is just a bonus over other schools.

    BTW: BYU football does every single item on your list and is currently beating Utah in the stars category this year.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    I agree CB
    No team in Utah will ever compete with the top teams in recruiting.
    Alabama this year averages 4.0 stars
    BYU 2.71
    Utah 2.52
    (according to scout)
    Truth is Utah and BYU can be good teams but a National Title for either of them is out of the question.
    USC and Colorado are the only two teams in the Pac-12 to win in the last 50 years.
    Crazy that USC and BYU are the two teams in the last 50 years to win west of the rockies.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    byu fans would like to believe recruiting is subjective and that stars don't matter. Nick Saban would disagree as he has among the highest star recruiting classes ever year and has one of the best teams every year too.

    Byu fans also like to say "stars don't guarantee wins" in attempt to convince themselves Bronco can turn very average "atheltes" into national title players. Its true, stars don't guarantee wins. Here is a list of other things that don't guarantee wins:

    Good coaching
    Fast players
    Strong players
    Practicing
    Lifting weights
    Watching film
    Scoring lots of points
    Good nutrition

    Do these guarantee wins?

    No?

    do they matter?

    Absolutely

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    There is certainly nothing wrong with a kid wanting the "byu experience"

    But recruits rarely pick the byu football team for, well, football. Bronco rarely gets guys drafted. Bronco has never beaten an end of season top 10 team, he's never sniffed a big time bowl game, he can't beat his rival, and he has less than a .200 record against top 25 teams. Again, nothing wrong with wanting the "unique experience" of going to byu. But usually football is not the reason players pick byu, and the football team has never had a truly amazing year under Bronco with no reason to think there will be one under Bronco.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    @ reasonableUTE:

    So you feel you can't reason with BYU fans... simply because they won't agree with you about Utah.

    But on the same token, it appears BYU fans can't reason with you, either. Several have made some good, germane points in reply to your initial inimical comment. And yet you keep replying with a fervid, minatory attitude and won't concede anything... no matter how much common sense the counter-arguments make.

    If a person can't be open enough to at least try see other people's points of view, then perhaps it's best to not keep participating in the dialog... or as you said "nevermind". After all, one of the new rules is that comments have to contribute to the ongoing dialog in a positive way and not be contentious.

    Just something to thing about for next time a BYU article is posted and a Ute fan tries make it about Utah instead.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    These kids will face the challenge of little down time in December due to bowl game participation. If they need that extra time in December to study for finals perhaps they should check out another program in Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Utah fans...go on Colorado boards and argue with them about who's better. They're your new rival remember? BYU fans just don't care about U anymore. The next two years we will have our sights set on other things while U continue to flounder, lose your HC, and enjoy another couch potato bowl. I'm sure Colorado would love to hear from you, or even Stanford fans. Ya go talk to the Cardinal fans about how you're better than they are after beating them. I'm sure they need a good laugh after their tough loss in the Rose Bowl.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Can't wait to see these guys walk onto the field for BYU. I am also very hopeful that our DB's get healthy. Go Cougars!

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    reasonableUte:

    According to the arguments you've been making here online, head-to-head games are all that's needed to determine the better team.

    If that were actually true, then consider this:

    - Stanford beat Oregon, so Stanford is the better than Oregon.
    - Utah beat Stanford, so Utah is better than both Stanford and Oregon...

    ... that is, according to your logic.

    Isn't it obvious how unreasonable it is to base everything on one head-to-head game per year in deciding who the better team is? Upsets happen to most teams during most seasons. But that does NOT mean the team doing the upsetting is the better team... except on that single day, but not overall. Otherwise, everyone from Stanford should still be paying homage to Utah.

    It's very possible one of Utah's in-state single-score wins was an upset.
    It should be obvious why national rankings are more important.

    This concept seems so simple and obvious. I don't see how it can evade you so easily. Unless, that is the only argument you can make in behalf of the Utes. In that case, you need to consider the bias in your argument.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    @ Alex T

    if Utah beat byu they wouldn't be 0-11

    @ Tater, if I can't have it both ways, you can't either.

    The difference between your argument and mine is that Utah and Stanford play in the same conference, so comparing their schedules is much more practical. There is no comparison between... nevermind, I don't even know why I bother trying to reason with byu fans.

    I really shouldn't care what byu fans think as long as they keep losing to my team.

  • Buck49 Washington, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    How many times have seen teams that beat other teams in the polls still behind them in the polls? Obviously the pollsters think that one game was a fluke and that the team that lost was the better team.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    It's ok for the byu "fans" to think that they're a better team overall, as long as we keep beating them.

  • Buck49 Washington, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    How many times have we seen teams that have beaten other teams that are ranked, still ahead of them in the polls. Obviously the voters in the polls consider them the better team.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    @ reasonableUte:

    Your arguments seem to keep forgetting that upsets happen in sports. You keep basing your entire argument on one game a season. If that's all you have to hang your hat on, then so be it. But few are buying into it.

    Ranking services take into consideration multiple, objective, quantifiable criteria each and every week of the season to determine how all teams are doing compared to all other college teams in the country. That negates upsets.

    That's the reason nobody suddenly ranked Utah better than Stanford when Utah upset them. Every reasonable (apparently you're not) college football fan recognized that Utah was better than Stanford that one day, but not a better team overall. And this entire argument is about who finished the season as the best in-state college football team.

    So based on objective national rankings, it's:
    1. USU
    2. BYU
    3. Utah

    However, you did manage to beat out Weber.

    @ Brave Sir Robin:

    What a silly statement. I'm pretty sure everyone else reading and commenting here knows we're talking about college football. As such, you're not forcing anyone to admit to anything. Try a little harder to keep up.

  • Alex T Murray, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    @reasonableUTE

    A simple rivalry game doesn't determine who the best team in the state is. Get real here. BYU could be ranked #1 in the AP, while Utah could go 0-11, have the worst SOS in the country, yet still manage a victory in Provo. Why? Because it is a rivalry. ANYTHING can happen. One game does not determine a season. The Utes upset Stanford. Awesome game by the way. Does that make them better than the Pac-12 champion? Most Ute fans would like to think so.

    Congrats on winning 4 games in a row. Clearly proving that Kyle Whittingham knows how to prepare for the rivalry game, while Bronco obviously doesn't.

    STOP trying to pull this bogus argument that the Utes are the better program. Let's see a winning season and a bowl invite before you bring this up again. Best of luck to your head coach in the hopes of keeping his job this year.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @ reasonableUTE:

    I thought you were talking about how the in-state teams are overall... and not just on one particular game a season. So according to you, Utah is definitely a better team than Stanford, since they beat that one game during the season. Do you or any reasonable person actually believe that? Of course not! That's why we look at the big picture in deciding who is best.

    You are talking about a single battle (the only thing you've got). I'm talking about the season long war. Utah won the former, BYU usually wins the latter.

    In light of that, and according to almost all national ranking services, BYU is usually and consistently ranked higher and usually finishes most seasons ranked better than Utah. That's the bottom line and the most telling fact.

    I will concede to you that USU is a better team than Utah... as you insinuated. And I'd say they were over BYU too, had BYU barely beat the Aggies. But they dominated them by a wider margin than any other team did all season long. And BYU finished ranked higher than them, also. So again, it's still BYU.

  • Indy St George, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    It's cute to see all the concerned Ute fans on these boards week in and week out.

    But shouldn't you be worried about your own football program? With wins, recruiting, and relevance steeply declining how can you hope to be competitive? Especially without a win over BYU to keep that fragile Ute ego intact? Then there is the fact that you will be without your head coach and probably entire coaching staff this time next year.... awwww, now I feel bad. I guess you guys can spend as much time on these boards as you need to if it will help you cope with reality.

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    reasonableUTE,

    No realistic BYU fan actually believes BYU is a better team than Utah head to head. Utah is always better prepared, better coached, and yes, has better athletes.
    But it is important to keep in mind that teams usually progress as the season goes on. If the Holy War was played in November, the results could easily go the other way. Not an excuse, but you have to look at the finished product each season as well as the head to head to determine who was in-fact the better team overall. Utah did play a grueling schedule, but it's not like BYU's schedule was a walk in the park, it was also a top 30 schedule much tougher than many BCS teams face.

    And as far as recruiting goes, it appears BYU is gaining momentum with each class while Utah seems to be losing momentum. The Utes have lost 2 big commitments in the last couple weeks, one to Boise St. and one in appears to Nebraska or Oklahoma. While BYU is retaining top recruits despite offers from elite programs (Fred Warner, Nick Kurtz).

  • JmThms Henderson, NV
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Wayne Rout,

    BYU has been searching for 'more speed' for a long, long time. I have been watching their games and following them since 1984. Some times they get some and often times not. There is not typically a lot of speed in the LDS athlete pool. BYU gets good athletes though. And probably will continue to do so. But their worth often times is heavier on technique, character, and overall production in their sport - often times not due as much to overall physical athleticism. Is that equation going to change? Probably not. BYU has to make do more with maximizing scheme, execution, etc etc. For example, this past year in football they 'left a lot on the field' in terms of scheme and execution. Their record could no doubt have been better with maximizing those things, despite maybe giving up a bit with regard to certain athleticism qualities in some ways. And they still went to a bowl game....

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    @ duckhunter

    Utah is a program in serious decline? What does that say about byu?

    I don't understand recruiting rankings smack on the Utah or BYU side honestly. The only real way to determine which team has the better players and coach is by having those teams play each other, and watching those players go head to head against one another. We all know how that turns out every year for Utah and BYU.

    BYU fans say, "well byu finished ahead of utah in the rankings this year so they are the best program in the state." Completely ignoring the fact that Utah State finished ahead of byu in the rankings and finished with a better record. If you go by head to head wins, Utah is the best program in the state. If you go by end of season rankings Utah State is the best. No matter which way you slice it, BYU is cannot be the logical choice for the best in state program.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Players that sign with byu make a unique commitment and should be congratulated.

    Chris B,
    Let them sign who they can, they're not a threat.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    @worf

    "BYU has won more football games, (year in & year out), for decades,-than any other team in the state."

    Wrong. My nephew's Pop Warner football team wins like 13 games every year. Clearly they are the best football program in the state.

    Or is my logical fallacy going to force you to recognize your own?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    christina BYU's class is higher than utah's in average star rating on both Scout and Rivals. utah's is rated higher overall because of total numbers of committments but they have virtually no chance of catching BYU in average stars, and that gap will widen if Damien Mama, the #1 rated offensive guard in the country, commits this weekend. utah is a program in serious decline and that trend is going to continue as the losses continue to pile up.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    @ Tators

    So you are saying that Utah State is the best program in the state? They finished with the best record, and were ranked the highest at the end of the season. So according to your logic, despite the fact that Utah State lost to both Utah and BYU they are the best program in the state. Hopefully by now you can see how ridiculous your argument is.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    @ Tators

    Once again, a byu fan conveniently overlooks the fact that byu hasn't beat utah in 4 years. In regards to who recruits better, I think star rankings are a complete waste of time. The only way to tell who recruits better players is pitting those players against each other. Utah has won 4 times in a row against byu.

    you are right, the teams can't switch schedules, so arguing that because one team has more wins they are better is ridiculous. Any sane person knows the only practical way of deciding which team is better is by pitting them against each other and watching the game play out. We both know this is true, stop trying to pretend it isn't.

  • SLCguy Murray, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Ernest
    That is what EVERY fan says of EVERY class every year. We won't really know for 3 or 4 years (or in BYU's case 5 or 6)

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    This is gearing up to be one of our best, if not the best recruit class ever.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    I am certain that these are fine young men. They also look like more of the same. It should be obvious by now that the present level of recruits cannot take us to the next level of performance. The Cougars need more "speed" (you know what that means), size, and strength. Still, no matter how good they are, without a more creative offense 7-9 wins is the best we can do. Being able to score inside the twenty is a hallmark of a successful program. Unfortunately, it is not BYU's strength.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    @ reasonableUTE:

    Since BYU and Utah will never be switching schedules, we have to decide on what those 2 teams do with the schedules they have.

    And you have to concede one overlooked point. Kudos to BYU for not getting in over their heads regarding their schedules. Utah truly seems to be drowning with their conference schedules.

    They would've been better off impressing everyone in the MWC than being made fun of as a consistent cellar team in the PAC12. No doubt their fans would be happier, too. And Utah wouldn't be needing to change offensive coordinators every year.

    So in light of that, BYU does win more games, qualifies for more bowls and is consistently ranked better nationally than any other college football program in the state. How could any objective observer not rate them as the best in the state?

    @ Chris B:

    Though obviously still an ultra-Ute fan, thank you for being more civil than with most past anti-BYU comments. I see progress being made which might lead to actual, meaningful back and forth commenter dialog. Such things are appreciated.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    @ Chris B:

    Everything appears normal. The original anti-BYU being one of the first once again to comment on an article 100% about BYU.

    One clarification, Chris. The things you mentioned... winning the head-to-head battle in recruiting... is mostly subjective... one person's opinion over another. Thanks for yours, but it doesn't seem to carry much weight with most of the other people commenting here.

    The article mentioned some of these players also being recruited (and perhaps even offered) by Utah. And yet they've have already committed to BYU. Not an indicative sign of any other school winning a recruiting "war" against BYU. All schools win some and lose others.

    Even player stars is mostly subjective. Different people rate different strengths differently. Not all rating services rate each player the same. So again, who won or wins the recruiting "war" is mostly just opinion. How each team does on the field is what really counts.

    Who usually wins the most games... BYU
    Who lately has won head to head... Utah
    Who is consistently ranked higher... BYU
    Who plays and wins more bowl games... BYU
    Who plays on national tv the most... BYU.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 30, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Just a little research doesnt matter much because signing day is about a week away.
    Head to Head BYU-3 Utah-1
    BYU 2.71 star average Utah 2.52
    Utah is tied with colorado for 2nd worst star average in power conference recruiting classes (Wake Forest worst).
    BYU is better in star average than 12 power conference schools.
    Utah class is 7 commits larger it is higher to maintain the high stars with the bigger class.
    Both teams are working on some good recruits that could bring the average up, or other recruits that could bring the average down.

  • reasonableUTE Provo, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    worf

    Do you honestly think byu is better than the other two top programs in the state? Honestly?

    If byu and Utah switched schedules last year what would their records have been? Utah would have had at least one more win than byu did because Utah beat byu. Byu would have been 4-8, 5-7 if they got lucky, if not worse than that.

    How byu fans could possibly think they have any bragging rights of utah fans is absolutely 100% beyond me. byu has lost 4 in a row to utah. you have to be delusional to somehow convince yourself that byu is better. it just doesn't make any sense at all to a rational human being.

    I'm not saying utah is hot stuff, or that they are miles ahead of byu, but they have proven 4 years in a row that they are clearly the best program in the state.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Maybe they just wanted to play in a bowl game during their college careers?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    Chris B,

    It sure would be interesting to see if that team you speak of is going to be able to win enough games to keep the coach employed. That isn't a powerhouse program. Of course you could be referring to SUU.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 29, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    I'm sure these recruits are relieved to know that they aren't being recruited by a lame-duck coach. I would really hate to be recruited by a coach with one foot out the door. I'm sure these kids will do great.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 29, 2014 10:20 p.m.

    BYU has won more football games, (year in & year out), for decades,-than any other team in the state.

    I'm sure this class will keep the tradition going.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 29, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see if byu can reverse the trend of 4 years in a row losing the recurring battle both head to head and average stars to a power conference program here in our state. In fact, byu's best average star rating of the last 4 years is still worse than the worst year of the last 4 for that power conference program.

    Best of luck to all recruits.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 29, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    Other than Trey Dye, who played in our league before he moved to Texas, I have no idea how good any of these kids are as players. But one thing you can count on is that these kids have been well vetted for character and all that come will be fine additions to our community. Congratulations to those that are already committed and to those still trying to decide I hope you find what you are looking for here and decide to come to BYU.