Mike Lee keep speaking. Christopher B. continue to post.
to Flashback What about the two from Texas (Lbj & dubya)? No way should Reagan or JFK be considered.p.s. Notice I
crossed party lines?
To "Happy Valley Heretic" is is great to see your liberal pessimism
coming out. Most businesses are great at lifing people out of poverty. The
problem lies in people that think that they can use government to force
businesses to pay more.Read the other articles that I referrenced.
It is nice to see how you took the easy route and just looked at China, but now
its time to learn. China's problems with poverty were not due to a lack of
trade. We have had open trade agreements with them since 1971. Their reduction
in poverty only came AFTER they allowed capitalists to come in and build
factories and raise the standard of living for the people.I
don't know where you get your bizzare ideas that Mike Lee has tried to
distance himself from the Tea Party. Read "Tea Party Express endorses Sen.
Mike Lee in 2016 race" where they explain that Mike Lee is trying to be more
inclusive to get support from the Tea Party AND other conservative people.
It appears the Leopard is trying to change his stripes. Thanks to Hatch and
others for finally offering an alternative to the ACA. Where is Lee on this.
Plenty of criticism, few real solutions.
RedShirt said: You don't understand how people can better their lives
without government. If you want to be lazy, look at China. Just 30 years
ago you had the poor, and the rich, no middleclass. Now they have a thriving
middleclass. What did it? Did communism invent something new? What happened was
that capitalists were seeking cheap labor, and china gave it to them. Now they
have dropped significantly in their poverty levels.––So
your saying that the chinese government "gave it to them." It's a little more complicated than that, since the US government allowed the trade which had previously been denied. So between the 2
governments and some greedy capitalist and congressmenwho didn't care
much about human rights if they could make more money are doing exactly that.People may live better with less government control, but business is not
trustworthy of taking the responsibility and they prove it over and over again,
from polluting to gambling on wall street, to poisoning us with drugs and
food.I thought mike was distancing himself from the tea partiers?
Guess the check cleared.
Mike is SPOT ON!! Barack is all hot air ...he can read a teleprompter but
actually creating workable solutions ...not interested and incapable. Raising
the minimum wage for a few people in government contracts to 10 bucks an hour
won't do diddly squat for the nation as a whole let alone the vast majority
of the middle class work force...but for the low info voter it satisfies. Bottom
line here - Barack Obama has no idea how to manage anything. He has zero
experience running a corporation or being a Governor of a state and his talking
points are all sugary nonsense targeted for NBC, CNN and his other White House
media outlets. Income inequality has to do with education and bringing UP the
nations standards so people can become self sufficient not government dependent.
@ SCfan, pure unsubstantiated talking points. Provide some authoritative
references. The facts say otherwise.@ RedShirt, it seems like in two
sentences, you essentially argue both sides of the issue. If Lee wants to
address income inequality, and then wants no government, how does that help
income inequality? It is astounding. I stand by my point that Lee offers nothing
but tired rhetoric.
@kiddsport: Reagan was the political muscle behind the start of the single
greatest re-distribution of wealth from the poor & middle class to the
wealthy in the history of the United States. He recruited Margret Thatcher for
the single largest re-distribution of wealth the world has ever experienced.All
of his other "accomplishments" or failures pales in comparison to the
above. He is the poster boy for today's GOP war on the poor and middle
class. They wish to finish what he started and don't appear that they will
stop until all but the wealthiest 1% become for all intents and purposes
indentured servants. There should be no waxing poetic for that man.
kiddsport: "Reagan: brought down the Berlin Wall"There's a lot I could comment on, but I'll just take this one for an
example. Reagan did no such thing. Reagan had zero, ZERO, impact on this
decision. Reagan made a speech, as had every previous American president.
Reagan was president when it happened, but do not mistake correlation for
causation. A shelled-out economy which was the result of the mismanagement of
funds combined with Soviet citizens willing to face down tanks and potentially
lose their lives brought an end to the Soviet Union. It fell when Army
commanders refused to open fire on the protesters, resulting in Party
leaders' loss of power. To say Reagan brought down the wall is to downplay
those who actually acted, who were on the ground risking their lives. The
Soviet Union wasn't afraid of our military--never had been. We both had
nukes, that all it took. They weren't afraid of Reagan's threats, as
the leadership continued to defy him--as they had every president.
Esquire: Music to my ears to know that this congress has done nothing! I guess
that had to take a break after nationalizing 1/6th of the U.S. Economy. This is
not just BO's ownership, but a collusion between the Democrats and
Republicans. Neither party represents the real americans-you know, the ones
that work every day, pay their taxes, raise families, and talk to their children
about the importance of making something of their lives without
government's imprimatur, something almost impossible to imagine perhaps to
those who have never experienced it.
so funny when i hear how great reagan was. read about central america and the
contras. elsalvador and cia. putting the panama dictator incharge of the drug
trade, and at the same time having a war on drugs. and regan did not lower
taxes. he increased military spending so high the soviet union went bankrupted.
i could go on for a long time about the bad he did but its not fair he is dead.
i know a lot because i was in the army back then and know what went on.
and the only 2% of clothes are made in america since the top 1% has had tax cuts
more jobs go over seas and more of the top 1% hide their money in other
countries. its a known fact that the low wages paid by fast food and cheap
stores makes more people have to go on food stamps and get aid every year even
though most corporations are making record profits. food containers get smaller
and the prices go up every year and the wage earners are not given enough
increase to pay for it.
To "Esquire" Lee understands the cause of the income inequality. As he
pointed out, it is the government and the failed policies that use government to
fix the problem. If you get government out of the business of "fixing"
every problem that comes along and return them to their proper roll of referees,
things would be much better.
It would be nice if Mike Lee would recognize the truth if it bit him and, better
yet, start telling it instead of just spouting political rhetoric promoted by
FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, et al. Then, maybe, we could have an honest discussion
Fred44Not sure I completely understand what your point was, however
I will remind that Obamacare would not/did not pass with a bipartisan congress.
And that piece of legislation was not something like spending a few million on a
bridge to nowhere. It was one of the most costly pieces of legislation ever
passed by congress. Unilaterally.
Great job Senator Lee, I am so glad he is my senator.
Bob A. Bohey, not even close on Ronald Reagan. Three worst presidents? Carter
still #1, Obama #2 but closing in on the top spot quickly, #3 is Nixon but only
for Watergate. But to make you feel good about yourself, I'll add JFK as
So if Obama is not interested in the Utah senators ideas is he going to shut the
government down again?
Mike Lee is one of the only honest Senators who we have that still knows he
represents the people not rule over them.When he was running and somebody asked
him why he should be elected since he was a lawyer like others in washington.
His response was exactly what I was looking for. He said my career has been
spent defending the constitution from both parties and those ignoring it. Mike
Lee's only special interest is the constitution and has kept every campaign
promise he made1. opposed obama care(affordable Healthcare act)- it is
ironic to me that the people who were griping during the government shutdown
about him are the same fools griping now about there lost jobs,cut hours,
increased insurance rates,lost insurance or reduced benefits.2.Defend the
constitution- The presidents idea of working together is doing what he says.
where does it say compromise means let him violate the constitution act like a
dictator and spend my country into financial oblivion?3. We gripe about
shutdowns instead of asking why we are employing people who's jobs are non
essential or why the federal government has a say in our national parks at all.
The key to health care reform? Tort reform #1. Let insurance companies cross
state lines #2. Let me negotiate what I pay to my doctor without interferance
from the insurance company and the government #3. And lastly, repeal all of
the regulations the government places on health care providers and replace them
with ones that make sence and far less in number. I have seen the number of
administrative office people go from 2 several years ago to about 10 just to
assist with the paperwork required for reporting all of the junk the government
makes my doctor report about. Any my doctor has only himself in the office as
Give all Americans a checkbook, and mandate banks to honor all checks coming
through.Yikes!Obama is starting to make sense.
Still looking for a concrete proposal, anyone can criticize and Monday morning
quarterback. What has Mr. Lee put forward that can be passed in a bi-partisan
congress? Answer Nothing.
SCFan, With all due respect, your opinion and suggestions concerning healthcare
are about as useful as mine are.We are not in a position to affect
change, regardless of how much we complain.Our elected officials are
a whole different animal. Finally, the GOP has put forth an actual
written plan with a reasonable outline of their plan.That is
infinitely more useful then just complaining about someone elses plan, or
throwing out high level tidbits here and there.I commend them for
finally doing that. It's about dang time.Patient Care Act
gives us an outline to finally work with.
Mr. Bohey,Let's compare, shall we?Reagan: brought down the
Berlin WallObama: built walls between classesReagan: Lowered taxes,
precipitating 25 years of growthObama: Raised debt to $17 Trillion,
propagating and deepening Bush's recession, which was started by a poorly
conceived "stimulus."Reagan: ended Soviet threat through
strengthening America's militaryObama: strengthened America's
enemies through weakening America's militaryReagan: put more people
to workObama: put more people on welfareReagan: didn't
nationalize any industryObama: commandeered one-sixth of the economy with
Obamacare and totally screwed it upYes, history must surely see how
imbalanced the scales are in comparing Obama to any president.At least he
takes Carter off the hook.
Joe BlowHere is something better than Obamacare. Letting most
people keep their current insurance, (which is what Obama promised in the first
place) and then set up a government program that assists the special needs
people, who have pre-existing conditions that would suppliment their current
health plan. A system like that would cost billions less than this total revamp
of everyones health care plan, as well as take care of those with special added
needs. EsquireMaybe you don't see it, but progress
today would be any opposition to Obama and the Democrats. After all look where
we are after Democrat control beginning in 2007. Imagine how bad our economy
and debt would be if the Republicans had not won the House in 2010 and Reid,
Pelosi, and Obama had had free reign to spend what they wanted. Our debt would
be over 20 trillion by now. That's why a good political policy is to just
reject all that Obama and the Democrats propose. After 5 years, it is a
Inequality does exist, because we're not all the same.Equality
would be great if I had paid vacations to Hawaii every year.
Why is it that all the things Lee professes to disparage so much are the things
that are so evident in his being.
Lee offers a perverse view of income inequality. He offers nothing but
criticism. No ideas. No proposals. He offers only the same, tired rhetoric
that is followed up with nothing of substance. And for Republicans to complain
is astounding. Last week in a briefing, I saw a chart of Congressional
accomplishments since WWII. The do-nothing Congresss of which Truman complained
was extremely active compared to the current Congress, by an enormously high
factor. The fact remains that the GOP is more interested in seeing the
President, thus the country fail, rather than moving forward. The President
gave an optimistic message, but told Congress that they can either start doing
something or he would to the extent of his authority. Ane the President is
right. It's time to get something done. Americans are tired of inaction.
Lee and his Tea Party friends represent the past and offer nothing to help the
American people. Nothing but worn out rhetoric.
Correction.Looks like the GOP released a proposal for health care
called the Patient Care Act.Finally. And I commend them. I read it and it actually goes beyond the GOP healthcare talking points and
actually has some substance. We should all look it (and any
proposal) with open minds and judge it on its merits.It will be
interesting to get into the details.Kudos to the GOP for finally
penning an actual plan.
@bandersen: Sorry, Ronald Reagan has that distinction and will keep it for the
@Christopher B: Ah, yes only the wealthy conservatives provide value to American
society. The liberals are just lazy and suck off of the wealthy. What a well
thought out and reasoned post. SMH.
I think Mike Lees response is reasonable, but expected.The meat from
the articleProtest against dysfunctional governmentRubio and
Ryan are working on welfare reform"As for healthcare, the best way to
repeal Obamacare is to deliver better solutions, he said."Ok
fine. Protest if that makes you happy. That is about all they have been
doing.Rubio and Ryan? Great. Let them work on something. It will be
interesting to see if anything comes of it. At least they would be FOR
something for a change.Healthcare? Completely agree. 40+ votes to
kill something is a joke. I am pleased that Lee understands that going back to
pre Obamacare is not an option.So? So? Who is working on that?
Write some actual legislation and put it on the floor. Let the American people
see the GOP healthcare proposals.I am all in favor of repealing
Obamacare. Show me something better. In all these years of being against
Obamacare, the GOP has not offered ONE alternative. STILL.When the
GOP starts proposing solutions to known and existing problems, I will again
consider voting for them.
We sure appreciate a true friend to freedom. Let's pray he stays true to
it. We need representatives who serve us and not themselves or party!
"London-based national government" ?? What sort of nonsense is that?
Senator Lee, and why do you and your father choose to work for the government?
Why major in college in political science? Why have you lived in Washington DC
much of your life? Our country is going forward, much is good in our land.
We need less attorneys and more farmers, more people willing to be a common
person, less graduate degrees, and more janitors and security officers and
grocers, and nurses and high school teachers, and cops and firemen, and
librarians, and poets and dancers and artists and scientists.
BO will go down as the worst president in American History, which is unfortunate
for someone who had the mantle of the greatest nation in history!
Obama is not very wise to make income inequality a campaign issue - since it has
only increased during his reign of terror
"tea party response"Their own response reveals a solid split in
the Republican Party.
Mike Lee is one of very few we hear talking sense in Congress. I am very
pleased he is from the State of Utah; how refreshing to hear someone really
addressing the problems of the honest and hardworking in the "lower"
classes and helping to point out the croney system at "the top". He
seems to very nicely mix justice and compassion in his views and aspirations for
the benefit of all honest men who are so rarely appreciated or represented in
Congress and the White House. Well done, Mike. Keep it up!
Why when I listen to Sen. Lee am I always reminded of Don Quijote? Could it be
the fanciful thinking and forever tilting at windmills?
The number of people on food stamps has doubled in the past 5 years.And barack considers that a success.
Barack would be happier if no one was rich rather than some rich and some
poor.I'm ashamed at lazy people who think rich people need to
give them their money simply because they are rich.The government
does not become more expensive simply because Mitt Romney made a lot of
money.When Mitt creates value(something liberals don't do), it
doesn't make it more difficult for me to better my life.And the
value rich people create doesn't happen automatically, its not a guaranteed
outcome. So to suggest what he earns belongs to the entire country is pathetic,
and a lazy response.
If Mike Lee is so worried about cronyism at the top, why does he take money from
special interests such as Freedomworks who are funded by the very cronies he