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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 29 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Yes, shutting down the refiners during the winter would be a good idea. However, they bribe our representation every year. If we were actually engaged in the voting process they might be worried about the consequences of ignoring our wishes. However, because we vote in the same people every year, they don't care. They are merely puppets for big oil. One thing I don't understand, especially being LDS, why doesn't the church speak out on this issue? Seeing a drink being made isn't near as unhealthy as the pathetic air quality. We are essentially smoking a pack or two per day breathing in this air. If we want to live the word of wisdom then we really need to improve our health quality.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I have had a terrible cough for 4 weeks now.
I have lost 2 1/2 days of work as a result.

No temperture, no sickness.
Just a cough.

The Doctor says it is because of the bad air.

I wonder how many 100's of thousands of man-hours of productivity
[and 10's millions of $]
have been lost due to Utah's bad air?

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

I drove in yesterday afternoon from a few days away and the air here is disgusting. No other way to describe it.

Immediately my raspy throat came back and I could actually taste the filth.

It's virtually a moral crime to have surroundings as beautiful as we have and then allow putrid, filthy air.

All you religious folks better hope Jesus doesn't come back in January because there will be some splaining to do.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The Legislature can't solve our smog problem. It's not their problem. It's our problem. New laws don't solve all problems.

Only WE can solve this problem (by not driving, not buying gas, not burning gas, riding trax, driving slower, etc). The legislature doesn't need to force us to do it. Even if they pass a new law... it will be right back to US to change OUR behavior to fix the problem.

Pretending it's Legislature's problem (and not ours)... is a copout.

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We need to change our behavior during winter inversions. If we don't buy gas in the winter... refineries would be fine with slowing or stopping production and doing needed maintenance (because nobody's buying their product anyway).

But if we keep driving or increase driving (because it's too cold to walk to church, school, lunch, store, etc)... and there's HIGHER demand for their product... do you think they are just going to shut down and not service their customers?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "December and January should be the times they shut down for their maintenance. That ought to help a great deal."

How about just shutting them down permanently. That "ought" to help a great deal more.

And, while we're at it, shut down the mines. Shut down the dairies and ranches. Shut down all business that use energy. And then, since we no longer need them, we can shut down the energy companies.

Oh, and of course we should shut down the schools and universities, since they use too much energy. And besides, once tree-hugging liberals have shut down Utah's economy, they'll be unnecessary and superfluous, anyway.

Then, reckless, feckless tree huggers can realize their fondest dream -- converting the whole Inter-mountain West into a roadless, uninhabited, wilderness petting zoo for their rich, back-East and Left-coast cronies.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

All that laws do is give reason to invade our homes. Than to think, you can be arrested if they think you might brake the law.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

I agree procuradorfiscal and 2 bit, I know, we live in a bowl with mountains on 2 sides and much is natural so let's do nothing. Let's pretend the businesses and automobiles as they are presently constituted are just so valuable that we can't make improvements and should continue to damage our health but by golly don't ask for an affordable healthcare system because it is a step to socialism. If it's good for someone else's wallet I need to sit down and shut up.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Let's pretend the businesses and automobiles . . . are just so valuable that we can't make improvements and should continue to damage our health . . . ."

If you, or anyone else had any actual proof that your health is being damaged by our businesses and automobiles -- which really are valuable -- you would already own them and be able to shut them down yourself.

Utah air quality is a radical tree-hugger generated non-issue, whose sole function is to serve as the focus of a cynical propaganda ploy, intended to scare Utahns into acquiescence as radicals kill business, industry, and jobs, to advance their false and thoroughly discredited socialist economic model.

Your health is fine. My health is fine. Anything you see in the air is harmless to your health. Those that claim to be choking on Utah air are either disingenuous, or more likely, curiously hypersensitive to disingenuous liberal bleating.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

ugottabkidn,
Did I day "do nothing"?

Read my post. I gave a whole list of things we should be doing.

I just said "do it"!... don't just go to the legislature asking permission to do it... or permission to make somebody else do it... just do it yourself!

If we all just do it... there won't be anybody left not doing it, so there will be no need to go to the legislature to ask them to make them do what we want.

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Some people just get off on getting the government to force people to do things our way.

I don't. I just do the right thing (conserve) for the right reason (for our health, not because the government commanded it).

I think if we focus on educating people instead of the draconian (force them to it)... more people will start doing the right things for the right reason (not because the government forced them too)... and we would be much better off.

But I'm not saying "do nothing".

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

procuradorfiscal

"Utah air quality is a radical tree-hugger generated non-issue, whose sole function is to serve as the focus of a cynical propaganda ploy, "

You've got to be kidding. This tops the cake of all of the nonsense I've ever seen on this thread and there is plenty.

Go visit a pulmonary clinic, or a cardiac clinic , or an asthma clinic in January and February. Having left the valley for four days I breathed feely the entire time and instantly went horse and had breathing problems as we went around the turn into the valley.

I'm hardly a fat out of shape hypochondriac. I probably weigh half of what you do, have marathon times nearly 2 hours faster than you, and survived a should be fatal heart attack simply because of the cardiac condition I was in.

This air is simply poison. That's it..end of story.

benjoginko
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I must be the only one that has never felt any noticiable effects from our bad air. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, but there is no way I'm giving up my car in the winter so I can increase my commute from 40 mins to 2.5 hours each way. I've never felt a burning throat or had issues breathing that others seem to complain about. Just my 2 cents.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

"And refineries, or anyone who emits anything, should have to shut down."

Does anyone include YOUR furnace flue? Does anyone include YOUR car? YOUR furnace and car emit, so it must. YOUR workplace too.

Great, let's just all take a vacation at home in the cold every time a high pressure is forecast, and don't wait until after the air turns dirty, do in in advance. No need to have dirty air to breath while you sit in your freezing cold house doing nothing.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

As I was huffing and puffing walking up 10 stories of stairs this morning (to avoid using the electricity need to lift me and the elevator)... I was thinking... "How much C02 am I emitting" (Seems like a lot the way I was breathing).

It made me think... even when I'm not running the stairs I'm breathing, and emitting C02.

IF we need to shutdown ANYTHING that emits ANYTHING... what's going to happen to me??

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

It's nice to see that a few people get it. Life is about trade-offs. Sure, we could shut down everything that emits anything, but that means your house, your car, your electricity, your job, your medical clinic, your hospital, your school, your grocery store, and so forth. We might then have inversions that consisted solely of water vapor and VOCs from trees, but would life be better? I hardly think so.

We need a dialog focused on figuring out what WE can do to solve OUR problem, if in fact it IS a problem. (By definition, it isn't a problem if all possible solutions leave us worse off.)

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