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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 28 2014 6:10 p.m. MST

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Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

lindaj72: Again, the bakers of your "lady" cake did not have to make that cake. It was a decision on their part to do so.

BUT, having made that cake for some customers, they could not refuse to make that same cake for another customer.

The bakery in Oregon was making wedding cakes for some of their customers but would not do so for these customers.

It is a subtile difference, but I think most people can understand the difference.

Makethemhonest
Orem, UT

Would a gay baker be required to make a cake for a Nazi who favors concentration camps for gays?

Vanceone
Provo, UT

All animals are equal, but gay animals are more equal than you

--slight misquoting of Orwell.

See, the LGBT lobby is insisting they have more rights. What happens when, as is inevitable, Oregon bankrupts this couple and takes their house. The next gay person out to make a statement will walk into some Christian business and demand that they be served, no matter what, in any way. And for a nominal price. If you refuse, you are discriminating. After all, Obama has shown that you cannot have a valid reason to object to his policies--it's all racist. And if you refuse anything to a gay, it's "religious bias!" Even if the reality is that they want a million dollar service for 5 bucks, that's not how it will be portrayed. And you'll spend ten million fighting the state run discrimination board that is the gay lobby enforcement arm.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

AGAIN... it all comes down to gays trying to force their morality on the rest of society. The article plainly states that the gay couple were customers at the bakery for years, and were not denied service as gay people. It was only when they wanted to force the business to become part of their gay wedding, that a line was drawn. In other words, most gays are in favor of denying citizens their religious freedoms, and forcing them to participate in something against their religion!

mecr
Bountiful, UT

The time will come where the churches, and the Mormon in top of the list, will be forced to marry a gay couple.

The only solution that I can see to this problem is that the business becomes a club where the owner chooses the right to select the members, like any other club. Then the business will provide the service to whoever he/she wants to serve.

Sounds crazy but if gays complain people push an agenda against them nevertheless they are the real pushers of their own political agenda.

JP71
Ogden, UT

Next Churches will be forced to marry gay couples. This is a slippery slope. So much for freedom.

Qwest Perfected
Salt Lake City, UT

Often times in modern American history law suits on issues that some thought morally unacceptable by religious standards, educated the public and took the lead on generating acceptance far beyond any of the major churches did.

For example Brown vs Board of Education or the Supreme Courts decision that allowed interracial marriages.

The idea that people should just lay down and accept discrimination by a business or otherwise is unconscionable. I'm glad these people took a stand and made people take notice that bigotry and discrimination is a real issue and is being done every day in this country under the guise of morality or religious freedom. A little more than ironic that it is the opposite of the meaning of being Christian.

annarbormom1
ann arbor, MI

Religion is not a defense for discrimination. Thank God!

desert
Potsdam, 00

This is out of common sense.
You just might as well hang up a sign "Here is a Jew, don't buy anything" of " Here is a Christian, don't buy anything".(As well as here is an anti-gay bussiness)

That actually happened in old Nazy Germany, and they got grilled later on, as you all know.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Flat out, I think all that needs to happen is a couple of people be denied service and told it's specifically because they're straight, or religious. Things will change.

Atalya
Stansbury Park, UT

I remember signs stating "No shoes, no shirt, no service" and older signs aimed at ethnic/religious groups with "No Japs" posted in business windows. The no shirt signs were against the "hippies" as a "health issue" and the others were plain ugly bigotry. Recently, a person with a service dog was taken off a plane although service animals are supposed to be allowed. Supposedly, the issue was that the large dog (obviously well trained) could not fit in the tiny area beneath the seat--which is ridiculous. Did the community of people that use service animals, including seeing-eye dogs, sue the airline and vociferously call for boycotting any suppliers to the airline? No. The incident was filmed and posted on youtube and public censure flooded the airline.
I don't think we have the full story on this. Maybe the cake would have been offensive if done as ordered. Maybe the bakery owners couldn't think in the thick of the moment to say "We cannot be an accessory to you breaking the law--I'm sorry." The offer of a plainer cake was refused, and ugliness commenced. Was that the whole intent--making trouble? I think so.

pbunny
Salt Lake, UT

Dear Christopher B,

The only thing that Jesus was recoded as saying about marriage was that people who divorced for reasons other than infidelity and later remarried were adulterous in remarriage. The Christian bakers should be most concerned about making cakes for these adulterers condemned by the Lord. Would you support the Christian baker’s refusal to provide services to people remarrying?
I look forward to your thoughtful reply,

CBAX
Provo, UT

Unless they are secretly going to marry me to someone at the ceremony when I drop off the cake I think I will bake them a nice cake.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

This is another egregious violation of individual freedom. People should have an unrestricted right to operate their business in line with their religious belief.

It is doubly egregious since it is unclear why Oregon can treat differently marriages from other relationships, but cake makers can. If the state does not recognize same-sex relationships as marriages, why can it compel individuals to do so?

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

Luckily we do not have to be able to cite scripture to have a religious right that is protected by the constitution. Ranch Hands attempts to argue that these people are religiously wrong misses the heart of religious freedom. The test of religious freedom is allowing people to do things mandated by their religion that you personally disagree with.

Ranch
Here, UT

All of you claiming that the 1st Amendment rights of the bakery owners is being violated are ignoring the elephant in the room: The 1st Amendment rights of LGBT supporters to practice their religious beliefs and allow same-sex couples is being violated - BY YOU.

YGradFan
CENTERVILLE, UT

@dmcvey, "Imagine the comments on this if the baker had refused to serve Mormons."

Most LDS people, along with most people from other religions, would "turn the other cheek" and take their business elsewhere. It seems to only be the LGBT community that resorts to lawsuits if they don't get their way or if they get their feelings hurt.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

Atl 134
If a cake is made for a gay couple, or decorated indicating such, then that would make it a gay cake, simple. Leave the baker alone, he has his freedom to like or dislike as he chooses. This is America, at least it was before it started to morally sink.

Ranch
Here, UT

John Pack Lambert of Michigan says:

"The test of religious freedom is allowing people to do things mandated by their religion that you personally disagree with."

Like marrying the person of their choice for instance? You oppose that, sir, which makes you a hypocrite.

YGradFan says:

"Most LDS people, along with most people from other religions, would "turn the other cheek" and take their business elsewhere."

I doubt that. I sincerely doubt that.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

If you open a business to the public it should serve the public. How does your selling a cake for a gay wedding, which will happen whether you provide the product or not, encourage behavior you consider immoral? Would you also refuse to sell a birthday cake to someone who you suspect is gay? Does it make you an accomplice? Is it immoral for a Mormon youth to work in a coffee shop? I drove cab to support myself in college. I knew that at times I was transporting drug dealers, prostitutes, pimps and johns. Did I feel like I was enabling those activities. No! It was not my business to try and curtail immoral activities, but provide a service. It was not my job to make moral choices for them. My refusing to give those people a ride would have had no effect whatsoever as they would get transportation from someone else.

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